United States House of Representatives Mafia DP1

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Town lean

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Scum lean 

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Drafter ( relevant to wf flip)

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@Lunatic
I refuse to full claim in DP1
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Unless I am truly pressured to full claim then I will not do so. 
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I think it's stupid to do so in DP1
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@Lunatic
Its because of your vote. How dead set on you about lynching elminster? Is it gonna be ome of those things where you will tunnel him all game until he dies or are you flexible? If its the latter I may have a plan to compromise but it will have blow backs in the way of POE for scum, though I suppose it could help town in POE too depending if mafia call bluffs.
Well, given his most recent posts it seems he's on the fence as to whether or not he's going to go that route, which makes me inclined to just lynch him and be done with it.

Frankly, this shit shouldn't be tolerated. Contemplating it shouldn't be tolerated. He's done it three times and now he's considering doing it again and people are just like "meh" when, as a community, it should be "play the fucking game or don't play at all."

I get Mafia activity in general is low here, but it is what it is. No mafia is better than shitty mafia and I will absolutely rid this game of a shitty player to improve the game than tolerate it.

So my vote is staying where it is.

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@Vader
I always feel DP1's are pointless, games should just start NP1. As it is I have two goals this phase: see if there is a person I feel comfortable using my role on and getting Elminster lynched.
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@drafterman
I feel the same way to an extent. I think it's a pointless DP as it's all behavior analysis or policy lynches. I get nothing outta DP1 besides a slight read
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To clarify I intend to try. If I'm getting endlessly death tunneled to the point it's not worth trying, then I'm going to just log back off and go to mafia scum and pie can replace me. To the extent that the idea of policy lynching me doesn't change then there is no reason to put in effort. 
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@drafter would you prefer if I replace 

I was doing this for pie. I literally don't mind not playing. Figured I would give it another go. But if you insist on doing this, then I'll have pie replace me and avoid this site until you leave again. 
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Try? What is there to "try"? Getting yourself lynched or mod killed is a positive action. The only thing you need to do to avoid it is literally not do it.

As it is, I'm perfectly fine with you leaving this site playing Mafia elsewhere and being replaced.

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And this just proves my point. You have exactly one person pressuring you and that's it. That's your level of tolerance. A single person can't apply pressure to you and you just want to exit the game.
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@pie 

You can replace me. Will avoid this site until drafter baby rages and quits again. 

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Well, given his most recent posts it seems he's on the fence as to whether or not he's going to go that route, which makes me inclined to just lynch him and be done with it.

Frankly, this shit shouldn't be tolerated. Contemplating it shouldn't be tolerated. He's done it three times and now he's considering doing it again and people are just like "meh" when, as a community, it should be "play the fucking game or don't play at all."

I get Mafia activity in general is low here, but it is what it is. No mafia is better than shitty mafia and I will absolutely rid this game of a shitty player to improve the game than tolerate it.

So my vote is staying where it is.

Okay, fair enough. I am not going to try and convince you that you are wrong, because in a way you do have a point. That said, if the goal is to teach mikal a lesson, the lesson won't be tought, and if he's town we are just going to hurt ourselves more. He's here in the game whether we like it or not, if he's going to throw, we will be mislynching him anyway. All that does is waste the day phase and give inactive scum a free mislynch and a whole day phase of wasted communication. Mikal is willing to play ball right now. 

I am not as worried about mislynching him, as I am about wasting the enitre day phase and giving other players an excuse not to talk or participate in a meaningful way.

So here's my compromise: I am Lauren Boebert, the 1x vig. I was initially probably going to just waive my kill every night phase unless we had results that guaranteed a scum or something. But I will promise to use it on elminster tonight, since he says he is not a power role. My kill will go through no matter what unless role blocked, or killed by the scum carrying the night kill, according to pie. Pie hasn't answered my question about whether a strengthener would allow the kill to go through though, and I doubt he will since doing so might be considered bastard modding. But it stands to reason that if you strengthen me it should go through. If mafia roleblock you, I would assume my kill should be free of being blocked obviously, and go through. If it doesn't, then mikal was the mafia carrying out the night kill and you guys know to lynch him next day phase. 

This way we satisfy killing mikal and we don't have to debate mikals intentions to throw the game all of day phase 1 (which is one of the more important day phases in the game typically in my opinion).

Does this compromise work with you?
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@Elminster
Calm down for a sec. Ignore drafter. Read my compromise. 
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No I just have no interest in playing if you are going to mindlessly tunnel me. It literally de motivating. 

Already asked for a replacement so have fun 
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@Elminster
If you guys agree to the plan, I'll mindlessly wagon whoever you want this day phase
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@Lunatic
That works for me. Unvote
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@Elminster
I can see why you prefer live mafia now.
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@Elminster
To clarify, I said that, gun to my head, if I had to choose someone now based on clearly random and poor reasoning, I might go with you. Didn’t say I was willing to lynch you - like my past games, I don’t have any interest in a DP1 lynch unless we have far better reason to FoS someone. We don’t, I doubt we will, and I see no reason to lynch you or anyone else at the moment. In fact, the only time I voted to lynch you was to gin up activity, and I removed the vote as soon as you posted.
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@Elminster
okay drafter unvoted you. This day phase is yours. Who we lynching outside of me and drafter?
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@Lunatic
Maybe speed? I don't know, my scum reads are terrible dp1
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@Elminster
who we lynchin homie
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Speedrace (2/6) - Greyparrot, Water
Greyparrot (2/6) - Speed, Whiteflame
Drafter (1/6) - Elminster


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I am fine with being vigged it saves pie the trouble of replacing me. But I am not going to participate any further in this game. I did this because I was asked and even told pie, it would gimp town and he encouraged me that players would not be that stupid. And here it is again 

I'm being killed to shut drafter up. I want you to understand how un fun this is for me. When people ask me to play or come back and it will be fine etc. All to have the same result of drafter never letting this go

Do what you will but this behavior is going to kill mafia on this site

Now I won't play with drafter 
And danielle is likely going to not play with you. 

The behavior on here with the lack of activity is going to kill it. This will be my last post and no matter who asks me to play in the future , I'm refusing if drafter is in the game. The fact that he is a mod is laughable.  

It's not worth the effort to try and form reads or play the game when it results in me dying to satisfy his stupidity



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*sigh* great... this is going to be another one of those games...
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@Elminster
I am fine with being vigged it saves pie the trouble of replacing me. But I am not going to participate any further in this game. I did this because I was asked and even told pie, it would gimp town and he encouraged me that players would not be that stupid. And here it is again 
It's one person though, one person doesn't constitute you being lynched automatically.

I'm being killed to shut drafter up. I want you to understand how un fun this is for me. When people ask me to play or come back and it will be fine etc. All to have the same result of drafter never letting this go
How is this unfun!? With my compromise, you get a free pass you lynch whoever you want this game, and I will wagon and support you on the lynch. Sounds pretty fun to me!

Do what you will but this behavior is going to kill mafia on this site

Now I won't play with drafter 
And danielle is likely going to not play with you. 

The behavior on here with the lack of activity is going to kill it. This will be my last post and no matter who asks me to play in the future , I'm refusing if drafter is in the game. The fact that he is a mod is laughable.  

It's not worth the effort to try and form reads or play the game when it results in me dying to satisfy his stupidity

help me prove drafter wrong then, play super seriously and help hunt scum. Maybe you will convince drafter that having me vig you isn't the best in the end. I'll uphold my promise to him to save the day phase so long as he wants me to vig you, but you literally have the power to change his mind if you decide to play seriously. This could be a win win.
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@Elminster
At least play out the day phase. If not as a favor to pie, as a favor to me? 

I just outted my role for you bro and will likely die too lol. If drafters mind isn't changed by the end of the day pahse you get your wish anyway and get killed so you don't have to worry about playing any more. 
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Well at least we know elm is town at this point.
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@Lunatic
Only if you read my mind and prove a point. 

Deal?