United States House of Representatives Mafia DP1

damn...

Well let's keep that on the DL for now. Who should we random lynch today?

Heres what I am gonna do. Im gonna lynch people on this list in order until they give me enough of a reason to otherwise. Sick of the rampant inactivity and 0 effort.

Vtl whiteflame.

Were not gonna have another game like bullishs

Voting to lynch your partner, dude? Cold. Ice cold. I thought we had something.

As for who to randomly (read as: whatever BS reason we can come up with) lynch, always up for removing Elminster based on past anti-town behavior, but not much of a wagon on him right now. For the time being, I'll just try and stimulate activity from the quiet ones.

I know voting for Speed is in vogue, but I'd like to see more from you than just unadulterated agreement with GP.

WaterPhoenix (1/6) - Whiteflame 

I am not gonna do the "policy lynch mikal" thing. If it's just to teach him a lesson, I already know he doesn't care lol. He's been slapped on the wrist enough to know people aren't a fan of that playstyle. Also Mikal doesn't always do that, and I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt this go around until he does it again. He seems to have mostly signed up for this as a favor to pie, so auto lynching him probably isn't doing us or him a favor. As soon as he does the self sabotoging antics, I will vote him so not to distract the dp, but until he does Im give him the benefit of the doubt. 

Yeah, I'm not planning to vote him out on that reasoning alone. He would have to commit some actual anti-town actions this round for me to seek that. So far, he's been fine.

Be active

well there hasn't much this dp so far besides drafter's early strengthener claim which i think is okay. misterchris says he thinks drafter's trying to do something but i don't really know what he's trying to do. whether or not he's painting a target on his back is a bit wifom seeing as to how scum would want an easy night kill but people are suspecting him for claiming randomly so they might not do that and so on. however, i do think it's good to generate activity and that it'd be pretty risky to claim a role randomly if you were scum.

Alright, I’ll jump in on Elm for activity.

No one so far. Although I'm ofc watching Drafterman to see if his claim was a gambit or not. 

Ok. I am.

Yes, throwing tantrums and rage quitting. The hallmark signs of someone that doesn't care.

And yet he did it what, three times in a row?

Good for you. I'm not so forgiving. I've already role claimed and I'm pushing for a policy lynch on Mikal. I have nothing else to provide to you this phase.

I expected you to dis-agree in regards to mikal, notice I didn't tag you. It's not even worth debating, because in general you are right, and the behavior is how we treat most people. I am treating mikal differently here because I know him in real life, and he on and off does this in live mafia but then will play very seriously the majority of the time. I also have never seen him troll a game on mafia scum. In your limited experience of playing with him your stance, however, is completely justifiable. My point was just that I'm not gonna participate in it because doing so is more likely to aggrivate that response from him. It sucks when he throws games, and I give him sh1t all the time for it. But at the end of the day the mod let him play, and I am not gonna just waste a potential mislynch again, because nothing will be gained and he won't give a sh1t he hurt his team. I will however probably join his wagon if he doesn't start posting and doing something though.

Not going to lie. I totally forgot this game existed for a hot minute with mafia last night and my final fantasy stuff. 

I signed up for this because pie needed people and pinged me, if you guys want to keep policy lynching me into oblivion then have at it. Ill just play this until that happens then go back to mafia scum where there is actual content and something worth reading. 

That being said the 2 things that stick out to me the most are drafters willingness to claim right off the bat and his willingness to pressure me in hopes I'm going to tilt. 

In both games he has did this , there was a reason 

The first game he had a result so he pushed me dp2 after knowing he had something on me 

In the second game he was scum

Insofar as I have played with him, he has only did the blind push on me when he had something to confirm I'm scum or as a reason to get me to blow up to the detriment of town. 

So I ask myself what motivation does he have to immediately pressure me in hopes I'm going to be negative utility.  The idea to "get it out of the way". I don't buy. Most of the times I've acted this way have been in the early phases of games. If I get to the end and can actually play I've always been more invested. 

I just have a low tolerance for the "tunnel me" mindset in early dayphases to teach me a lesson  and when it starts happening, I geninuly don't give a fuck if town loses or if I cause it. 

So the fact he is starting with this and the fact that he was willing to do a grey parrot right off the bat is the only notable thing this dp

That and Connor is probably town. Usually when he pings me like that it's because he's tilting about how inactive people are and he knows I will at least converse with him 

He would do this as scum and he's actively targeted innactives for nks to make the game better. So it's not fully ai but with the pattern of how he is pinging me and the frustration shown. I lean town with that 

Can you tell me if you are a power role or not? I know that sounds insane that I would ask you that but I am doing it for a reason, and hopefully to try and make a compromise with drafter who I know is stubborn enough to probably not unvote you the entire game. 

Keeping this rolling to keep up activity:

I have a role. It's certainly not powerful. 

If it helps I directly told pie I would only play if I wasn't mafia or if I didn't have a major power role because I figured town would death tunnel me. 

I think drafter exists outside of this because I would like to think he's not just going to blindly do this forever. But the only frame of reference I have is the past 2 games I've played with him. Where I actually think during the endgame he brought up about being able to exploit my behavior as scum. Or at least hinted at it. 

Ok, fair you didn't ping me, but you are voting me. What do you expect to get out of it?

Its because of your vote. How dead set on you about lynching elminster? Is it gonna be ome of those things where you will tunnel him all game until he dies or are you flexible? If its the latter I may have a plan to compromise but it will have blow backs in the way of POE for scum, though I suppose it could help town in POE too depending if mafia call bluffs.

If its the first not the latter*

Did pie agree to your demands?

Greyparrot (2/6) - Speed, Whiteflame

He said something like. 

" :) Let's hope that doesn't happen"

Good answer lol. If you said he agreed I would have have FOSed you instantly because I specifically told him I would instantly quit if made scum with danielle and he said he was gonna randomize it anyway.

I will say I'm typically more active but the lack of overall content and always being death tunneled makes me less inclined to care / try. But will give it a go and see what happens. The thing I like about mafia scum is that it's not technically more active but there are week long day phases so everyone can post multiple times. When you play quick fire 3 day things , it's very hard to actually develop reads and scum can just coast by. These type of games require town to actual put in effort and sometimes on here that is hard to come by. Which kind fucks me because it's the exact opposite in live. Forum mafia makes people lazy for whatever reason 

And to extend that further. It's extremely hard to even analyze wagons and intent because I'm convinced half of town doesn't even read the game so trying to gather motivation from people who are disinterested is demotivating. 

Tldr - I'll attempt to play this game and still see if I want to kms at the end of it and go from there. 

Also I entirely missed the part where white flame was willing to lynch me off past games 

Typically my fos is going to go that way when people bring that up. Because it's an easy way to have town be down a person and a easy way to justify it as scum

I'm actually more intrigued that white flame said that than drafter. 

bump

I think what sticks out to me about that is I've played in 2 games since this and both of them he was not willing to do that until I started moving in that direction of behaving irrationally. But the framing of that statement leaves him open to say 

"He's did it before , he will do it again"

It's like he's passively willing to agree with drafter without committing to it. 

Interestingly enough I don't think 

Scum drafter

And scum white flame try to build or entertain that wagon

So it's like town / scum dichotomy

Or town / town

I'd lean toward town scum. And I'm probably willing to lynch between them, just bases off that with more interest towards whiteflame