United States House of Representatives Mafia DP1

huh?

I expect you are hinting something to me and if your not and make me put in effort , and I'm wrong then I'm going to be very sad. 

I am not hinting anything, but I think I know what you are trying to say, and I can't agree to that, not only because it's fvcked up, but it hurts town chances even further lol. Please though, please. Just one day phase! Play!

Not to the extent that in saying. 

You took it to a logical extreme. Remove the conclusion from what you just thought and draw a different one. 

That you are saying *

Ah, okay.

Ill play if you swear on our friendship that you draw the line to where I'm going. I really don't think you get how frustrating it is. I tried to sympathize with what you just went through and your points. Understand this is like 10x worse and literally kills any motivation I have to play. 

If you want me to finish the game  then promise 

I'll be honest I have no clue what you are talking about. I just want you to play the game seriously today, and I'll say whatever to make you do that. I'm not gonna go back on the promise to drafter if that's what your asking. I am hoping you can just convince him you are town by the end of this phase and we can not have to go through with it, but if not I will 100% be vigging you, regardless of me thinking your town. Im just gonna ask you to please play serious for this day phase. And i'll hold my promise to you to help you lead a lynch on whoever you want as long as its not me or drafter. Deal?

Understood. 

Deal 

Cool. We voting whiteflame then, or do you still suspect him?

What are your thoughts. 

I tend to stand by the fact that it benefits someone to try and trigger me. I feel like town let's that go 

Do you feel what I said was right about whiteflame and drafter. 

I feel there is a town scum split there 

I currently town read drafter, and like I said, won't be lynching him today regardless. Whiteflame? I don't know if I agree or dis-agee on it. He always kind of comes off as a null read. His response was argumentatively sound, but regardless doesn't really make me town him. I'll help you vote him for pressure though if you want.

I don't know if I want pressure yet. The innactives need to post first. If you have access to the other 2 games (can't do this on my phone) 

I'd say look back at how he treated me as town vs how he did as scum. Scum tend to be (in my experience) quite non committal. His entire opening post was that to a very high level. I feel like he was saying he is "willing" to vote me bit that he was leaving it open.

How I interpret that is 

"If a wagon forms , I can vote him and say it's because he will blow up later "

As far as whiteflame being non committal, its been discussed ad nauseum that he tends to come off that way as both affiliations. So i'd ultimately call it a null tell but I cam reference the christmas mafia game where he was scum and see if there are any glaring warning signs besides that I am missing.

Largely I'm nearly 100 percent you are town because of your frustration with the lack of activity, the way you tried to stop me from leaving because of drafter, and the proposal to prevent it. So consider me buddying you for the rest of the game

It's very rare I get in a game where I just townlock you hard. So this will be fun , because we can try to solve it together. I'm just going to pretend drafter doesn't exist to the extend I won't respond to him. I will respond to stuff in his posts 

That I am taking you at your word. So don't let me down. We can point back this later. 

Yeah pls do. 

I feel like town pushing me like that would not happen (except maybe drafter). Drafter would do this in a non ai way 

I also feel like mafia would not start with that either. They would sit back and let it play out. But the post largely pegged me as him pre justifying a lynch that he expected to happen 

I gave you my whole thought process here, including that I am generally unwilling to lynch anyone in DP1. If you'll recall, Lunatic asked me what random lynch would I consider. I suggested you on the basis that I at least had past performance to go off of, though I preceded that by saying that it was a purely BS reason. I've only ever used my votes to push people in DP1 either to be active or to claim. You're welcome to go back and check. You might also remember that the instances where I've put pressure on you in the past have revealed me as town.

That's why we are checking. I actually think as town you were less willing to push me than the game you were scum. Or you were hesitant. He's checking as a cross reference 

Totally understand the thought process but the question is do I buy it. 

Is a town whiteflame willing to pressure / vote the person who would go off the rail (or who you think would) knowing it would have negative consequences. So we're you finding for pressure for town sided reasons or for negative reasons. 

I'm waiting for the cross reference but I actually think town you says 

"Give him a shot"

And doesn't open with 

"I'm always willing to lynch him"

Everything about that reads as hyper non commitall and trying to pre justify a lynch that you know is bad

I think in regards to whiteflames "commital-ness", my conclusion is this: Whiteflame as town tends to be commital in later day phases. We can see this both in supas waifu game where he took a hard stance on drafter in the later phases, and in bullishes crimes mafia, where he was pretty firm on speedrace in the end. But in day phase 1 of each game I can find he seems pretty lax with lynching. He's been scum a total of three times on this website. Once as that third party mime role which you played, once in the stand mafia, which you also saw, and once in danielles christmas mafia. Christmas mafia ended extremely early, but ironically we had a huge debate with likemagic about whiteflame being non committal in dp1 there as well. While he happened to be scum in that game, I was say his lack of taking a firm stance in that game lines up with other town games with him, including day phase 1 of crimes mafia. Though that game was a shit show of inactivity all around. 

In conclusion I think it's just null that he was willing to lynch you. I also think argumentatively, his reasoning stands for white he said he was willing to lynch you but then unvoted after you started being active. 

Ill sheep you 

Where next ?

Fair enough

Parrot why did you not do your normal shit and claim your role ?

I wanna make my rounds and pressure everyone, inactive here, but speed and bullish seem more likely to respond quickly, so I think we can save water, supa and warren for a few hours. 

VTL speedrace for general activity and thoughts on the game. Ideally scum reads and town reads if he has any.

bump

Speed is 4/6 

Care

Thoughts on parrot not claiming off the bat 

In my mind speeds vote on hil removed them as scum

Not scum together (likely)

Drafter / wf

Speed / parrot