Crimes Mafia - DP2

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@whiteflame
All crime is a subset of some larger group, but corruption isn't really even that. Not everything that is corrupt is a crime. Nepotism is corruption but it's not criminal.

Like, if you asked me for an example of my crime I could give you an example of my actual crime. Lunatic has to give examples of other crimes that fall under his general category. That is a distinct and obvious difference.
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@Danielle
Because it adds to one's credibility if they can prove their role. No one can prove their affiliation but proving your role is a lean town point in most people's minds that you have to consider along with other things. I will again defer to Pie as the mafia messenger in a recent game. Fortunately I was killed during the night so I didn't live long enough to "town confirm" him in the day phase after he messaged me because I would have been wrong. 
I'm saying why would he claim a roleblocker role as scum
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Btw if it isn't obvious, I am Drug Distribution and I am a Role Vendor. I have 2 more left to give
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Sorry usually asleep at this time, will be going back to sleep soon.

Yes I did receive weed, said so in my first post in a way that I hoped wouldn't out the giver of it. I am surprised supa just came out and said it though. I have no clue what it does, bullish won't tell me and I can't use it the night I receive it ao I have to wait until tonight.

As for the drafter situation: I wasn't pushing him for a claim, more for an explanation of why he put 0 effort in and didnt try to help me push for activity and basically wasted his vote in the last say phase despite his usual insistance that town needs to lynch to accomplish anything. He basically votes me over not getting a joke. Convienently he kept that vote and post justifies to make it seen as if he was doing anything last day phase useful even according to his own definitions lol.

He knows his behavior last day phase wasn't town which is why he is doubling down.

As far as whether I am a crime or not is ridiculous, it must be a crime. Sounds more white collar, and my descriptor says stuff along the lines of politicians doing things for money for their allies. Sounds pretty criminal to me. Ask bullish about it if you disagree. My role is a day role and proveable at literally any point though, but it's 1x so I'd rather not just because drafter asked.

If drafter isnt going to claim im keeping my vote on him. Not playing that game. Mikal doesnt get away with this type of crap so drafter doesnt either.




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@Speedrace
I'm saying why would he claim a roleblocker role as scum

You're the one who said it was scummy that he apparently doesn't know what the pot does. If he legitimately doesn't know then it feels town. Pot isn't a "dangerous drug" so unless it's supposed to make people lazy, I can't see it as a bad thing. I would be concerned if he gave out heroin or meth. Giving out pot seems neutral or lean town. 
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Can you choose to only give out pot? 
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You're the one who said it was scummy that he apparently doesn't know what the pot does.
No I didn't, I think that makes it even more likely that he's town


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Once Pie logs on I'll put my vote back on drafter
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Ok, that's good enough for me.

I'm prostitution, role blocker. Mafia role blocker is not uncommonly known as "hooker" which is why that is my role.

I was thinking that Lunatic might be angling for also claiming role blocker as you can bribe people not to do something, so some shit. I was trying to set up a possible CC.

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@drafterman
mY rOlE iSN'T tHAt PoWERfUL
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@Speedrace
You literally said that in post #84

"lol but why would Supa claim that. Also I lean to Supa being scum because he doesn't know what the pot does. Dunno why he'd do that as scum"


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@Danielle
"lol but why would Supa claim that. Also I lean to Supa being scum because he doesn't know what the pot does. Dunno why he'd do that as scum"
Meant to say town. The next sentence literally says why'd he do that as scum so it's clear I meant town
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@Speedrace
It isn't? It's basically null utility for town.
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Wait... What!? You thought I was trying to claim roleblocker? Don't you think I would have said something in agreement to you about having a scum role then in dp1? Even if I was scum that would be fishy as hell to claim roleblocker after not mentioning early that I also had a scum type of role.

Did you roleblock last night?

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Going back to bed for a couple of hours. Keeping my vote where it is for now, i'll reflect when I am more awake buy unless I am missinh something I don't think anythings changed. I am still more suspicious of his behavior in the last two phases than I am about his claim. I can buy town having a roleblocker sometimes.
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Last two phases I mean this and last dp. I feel like he jist doubled down by post justifying his poor vote last dp and that's all hes done so far.
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Alright, now that you've role claimed, we can move on from this. That1User hopped on about 24 hours ago. She was too late to post in DP1, but she could feasibly have been interfacing with scum during NP1. That might explain why she hasn't been replaced. That being said, putting a vote on her is either going to lead to a lynch or nothing at this stage because I'm not convinced she will respond if pushed, especially given her prolonged absence, so I'll just vote to get Pie active.

VTL Pie
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@Lunatic
Wait... What!? You thought I was trying to claim roleblocker?
I thought it was a possibility.

Don't you think I would have said something in agreement to you about having a scum role then in dp1? Even if I was scum that would be fishy as hell to claim roleblocker after not mentioning early that I also had a scum type of role.
Exactly, so I was laying the ground work for that possibility.

Did you roleblock last night?
I roleblocked you.

Going back to bed for a couple of hours. Keeping my vote where it is for now, i'll reflect when I am more awake buy unless I am missinh something I don't think anythings changed. I am still more suspicious of his behavior in the last two phases than I am about his claim. I can buy town having a roleblocker sometimes.
Ok, well real life intervened. If you have some reason to explain why real life would intervene moreso if I'm scum than town, I'd love to hear it.
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@Speedrace
I took it to mean you were saying you found it scummy that he gave  Lunatic pot when he doesn't know what the pot does (as in for all he knew he could have been giving Lunatic something negative). 

Nonetheless I believe he gave Luna pot and now that Luna confirmed he also doesn't know what the pot does, seems to validate Supa not knowing. I can't see scum having a role where they don't know how it works so that reads town. 
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Drafterman's claim was blatantly obvious from last DP. There are only a handful of "town roles with mafia equivalents" and one of them is HOOKER whereas the others are things like Scout, Lookout, etc. In a themed game about crimes, drafterman was obviously Prostitution. The fact that he wasn't killed when he essentially claimed role blocker yesterday is interesting. More interesting is drafter's willingness to get himself lynched and say that his role wasn't useful to town. That's one of the biggest reasons I voted for him because I thought he was trying to back out of claiming Prostitution. 
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Thoughts?  

Also I absolutely want warren to answer this from last day phase. He disappeared after I posted: Once again I am wondering the point of you asking me questions about my win con when #1 the OP clarifies that no win con = town, so even if I were scum I'd  know how to answer this question and #2 there has already been discussion about how detailed or explicit the roles are to characters. Deciding to go into a deep dive about my PM analysis therefore seems like a waste of time at this point, or a way to look like you're investigating something thoroughly when scum is not going to get caught with these questions. You should have done this with people that posted much earlier. Explain your reason for going along with this line of questioning.   
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Official Vote Count

drafter (2/5) - lunatic, Danielle,
pie (1/5) - white,

Not voting: That1, warren, pie, drafter, Supa,





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For the record drafter only reached at most 4 votes prior to this comment.
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@Danielle
Nonetheless I believe he gave Luna pot and now that Luna confirmed he also doesn't know what the pot does, seems to validate Supa not knowing. I can't see scum having a role where they don't know how it works so that reads town. 
Agreed
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It sounds like you are very upset that people do not want to join your vote.

If I may, here is some constructive criticism for how you can get town to join you:



  • Don't be so argumentative - you'll alienate the people you're arguing with and everyone else will just tune you out;
  • Don't be so defensive - you're not being attacked nearly as much as you think you are and it puts focus on you, taking it away from other people;
  • Stop giving a shit about being right - this is a game where a it's a job of a significant part of the player base to undermine you. Stop taking everything as a personal insult and move on.
  • Find common ground - If you want scum lynched you need help from other people. So instead of acting like a person that has it all figured out and everyone should just follow your infallible lead, act like a person that needs help from other people. Because you do and you can't win without it.
  • Remember that it is a team game - You're on a team, part of an affiliation. You win as a team. You lose as a team. Coming out and saying nothing was your fault and it was everyone else is being a poor team member and is poor sportsmanship.
This feels like I should read it town and I don't know why. Danielle is honestly both smart enough and cares enough about the viability of playing games she'd probably say this regardless of affiliation, but here we are, townreading her for it
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This feels like I should read it town and I don't know why. Danielle is honestly both smart enough and cares enough about the viability of playing games she'd probably say this regardless of affiliation, but here we are, townreading her for it
100% town read her, Supa, and lean on Lunatic
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She is parroting my advice to another mafia player from another game.
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It's literally a cut and paste.
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