Republicans Gonna Republican

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Relief from what?

Financial peril (unemployment / underemployment). Do you agree with Rand Paul that the working class should not receive government assistance in the form of stimulus checks, or do you agree with Trump that they should receive even more government assistance?  
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(unemployment / underemployment).

What specific Democrat policies provide relief from this?
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I said Trump apologists say he was elected to stand up for the forgotten working class. I don't know why you're asking me about Democrat policies.

Do you agree with Rand Paul that the working class should not receive government assistance in the form of stimulus checks, or do you agree with Trump that they should receive even more government assistance?  
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I said Trump apologists say he was elected to stand up for the forgotten working class. I don't know why you're asking me about Democrat policies.

Because if you can't find a single Democrat policy promise that provides relief for that, then any monkey that does will likely get elected by those people by default.

Quibbling over the type of default monkey is pointless.
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I can't vote in the primaries because I'm not a registered Democrat. 
Oh ya forgot NY doesn’t have open primaries. Move to Texas!
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Yep I understand the concepts.....But you never answered my questions.

Just about every independent Nation is in debt.

So who borrows from who?.....And who is in debt to who?

Who is rich enough to lend the rest of the World $280 trillion.
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You did not answer my question, discredit what I said, nor make a relevant point to what I said, so there is no need to tag me. 
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Move to Texas!
BUT ALL MY EXES 
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The Guardian: Donald Trump’s demand for $2,000 relief checks to Americans struggling financially with the pandemic was all but dead after Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell said on Wednesday that a proposal from Democrats had “no realistic path to quickly pass the Senate. ” Declaring that he would not be “bullied” by Democrats into quickly approving the measure, McConnell effectively denied a final request for legislative action by the president in the waning days of his administration. “We just approved almost a trillion dollars in aid a few days ago,” McConnell said. 


Lol they're bAAaack. 
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So who borrows from who?.....And who is in debt to who?

  victor, I didn't understand you were seeking a material answer, I thought you were looking for an abstract response.  You can get your information easily on the internet.

  Here's what I found regarding who owns, specifically, the US debt, when I looked it up :

  Foreign governments own about 23% of the US debt, mostly China and Japan.  The rest is owned by domestic entities and individuals.  The individuals, by and large, through US bonds and pensions.  The institutional debt holders include the Federal Reserve, the Social Security fund, state and local governments, pension funds, insurance companies, banks and mutual funds.  https://www.thebalance.com/who-owns-the-u-s-national-debt-3306124

  The borrowers, by your construction of the question, are National governments.

  Does this help ?

P.S.  Incidentally, an interesting, related tidbit :  The US does not own most of our US National Parks.  China holds the titles as collateral for their loans to US.

P.P.S.  The US paid $376 billion right off the top (7.8% of our budget), before paying for any governmental services, in 2020, for interest on our enormous debt.  https://www.thebalance.com/interest-on-the-national-debt-4119024  That amount will only grow as the years go by, especially due to the tax cuts during the Trump administration and the trillions spent on COVID economic relief.
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BUT ALL MY EXES 
Your exes can’t defeat the power of Pie himself
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The US does not own most of our US National Parks.  China holds the titles as collateral for their loans to US.

That would be cool to see bamboo and Panda in our National Parks.
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Well.......I wasn't looking for a material answer.

I wasn't looking for an answer at all.

I was just reiterating the absurdity that is the sense and nonsense of money.....The one true god.....Once precious metal,  then cheaper metal and paper and now just numbers in cyberspace.

Interestingly the Chinese national debt is $5.5 trillion (approx)....How's that for frugality?
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I wasn't looking for an answer at all.

  victor, forgive me for misunderstanding.  I thought you wanted an answer .. you asked me twice and you admonished me for not answering.
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these stimulus checks are not targeted enough and will go to many Americans that are not struggling financially.
They never cared about that before, why now?
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Interestingly the Chinese national debt is $5.5 trillion (approx)....How's that for frugality?
You can't compare personal finance strategy to international finance strategy.

It's like apples and demigorgons.
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Who is rich enough to lend the rest of the World $280 trillion.
It's monopoly money.
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My point? That guns need to be regulated, the purchase of them more specifically - there needs to be more required training, there needs to be required background checks, etc, etc..
I'm not sure which specific "problem" this might "solve".
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What point are you trying to make? That most guns are legally unregistered?

That the states with the most registered guns and the toughest gun permits and confiscation laws also have the highest crime rates?

If you are trying to draw some ham-handed correlation/causation... you are going to have to do a LOT better.
Well stated.
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By "populist" do you mean anti-crony establishment?

By "pro-capitalism" do you mean pro-crony capitalism?
Well stated.
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victor, make no mistake, this is a real debt.  It's money the US owes but, Congress, Republicans and Democrats alike, don't seem to be concerned about it.  The only time politicians are worried about our debt is when the other Party is in office.  When their own guys are in office, they spend like drunken sailors and put it on the tab.
It's monopoly money.

It literally means nothing.
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This thread is looking to discuss whether or not the GOP will retain a populist lean post Trump, or go back to their pro capitalism rhetoric.
THE GOBALIST CORPORATE MOBSTERS WILL SAY ANYTHING (EVEN PRETEND TO BE POPULIST) TO GET ELECTED.
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Maybe debt is an essential nonsense....But nonetheless a nonsense.
Yes.
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It's monopoly money.

It literally means nothing.
Brutal, if it's Monopoly money, why is the US paying 7.8%  of taxes collected (nearly $400 billion, yearly, and going up) in interest payments to creditors ?  Are the interest payments Monopoly money too ?  If so, are our taxes Monopoly money ?  Maybe all money is Monopoly money but then, of course, since it has buying power, it's legal tender.
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Brutal, if it's Monopoly money, why is the US paying 7.8%  of taxes collected (nearly $400 billion, yearly, and going up) in interest payments to creditors ?  Are the interest payments Monopoly money too ?  If so, are our taxes Monopoly money ?  Maybe all money is Monopoly money but then, of course, since it has buying power, it's legal tender.
There is nothing keeping them from PRINTING ONETRILLIONDOLLARBILLS.
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There is nothing keeping them from PRINTING ONETRILLIONDOLLARBILLS.

This list is what keeps them. You should pause and look at the many countries like Libya, Niger, Zimbabwe, and Iran that have no credit rating. That's really bad when investors think you are so inept with national funds that you are not worth the effort to rate your credit. Practically half of Africa is unrated with the other half of African nations are in the C range of credit ratings. Insolvency on a continental scale. And you wonder why investors don't have an incentive to develop Africa?


You can find endless woke articles about how the developed world plunders the riches of Africa today, but it's actually the local governments doing that. Regardless of the low credit ratings, some African nations don't even allow foreign capital investment due to ethnocentrism and racism. It's just ridiculous. Trillions of dollars sent to Africa and the poverty remains.



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Sorry. I was being philosophical rather than political.

Originally money was invented as a token representation of goods, replacing direct trade....But pretty soon money became more important than the goods themselves.

Modern monetary systems, inflate the value of goods and services and create non-representative wealth, and at the same time we borrow against this bogus wealth incurring a bogus debt.

It will probably goon for ever and so what.

Obviously I am only referring to National debt, rather that personal day to day survival....Day to day survival is a whole different can of social worms.
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It will probably [NOT] goon for ever and so what.
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That's really bad when investors think you are so inept with national funds that you are not worth the effort to rate your credit.
Are you familiar with Jim Rickards?
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1) Africa has no system to protect private property, especially agricultural farmlands.

2) Africa is mostly run by kleptocrats and warlords.

3) Africa is at the bottom for literacy rates.

The entire continent is a pitre dish for what tribal socialism can do to a billion people.