Paranoia Mafia - Day 2

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@whiteflame
I don't see any reasoning for why you believe he's a paranoid or insane cop, just that you think he "must be" for some unknown reason. For all your talk about my certainty, you seem awfully certain of what's going on with SupaDudz. Maybe it's because you are honestly vanilla town, but maybe not.

I am vanilla town, if he is cop, (which I believe he is since he investigated me previously when he was cop under the same reasoning), and his results are guilty for me, then he must be paranoid/insane cop by process of elimination, getting guilty for any investigation or guilty for innocents. I did not consider the possibility of me being miller until now.

 Certainly wish I knew more than I do. That would make things a whole lot easier. I'm not one for subtlety (I think Elminster knows that all too well based on his having town read me), so if I did know something substantial, I wouldn't be hiding it behind my use of the word "definitely". Seems like a pretty ridiculous way for me to give myself away.
It does seem ridiculuous, which makes it a good cover, or it was a moment of honesty that you're trying to deflect from.
"Certaintly wish I knew more than I do" makes me think an inverse theory of you knowing more than you should, that mafia also has an informational defecit

. Still, I trust SupaDudz's read on That1, so that sets him above the rest in terms of priority.

I don't know what to make of this situation with Danielle and Greyparrot. 
The fact that you put me above Danielle who lied about her role (and GP, who also potentially lied) in priority is something...
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Right now I wouldn’t be opposed to Danielle.
I'm also down to pressure Danielle, wonder if she will ever appear
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This is really really really making me want to lynch danielle or gp
Let's go with Danielle, she clearly lied and Supa is on board to pressure her
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@Elminster
That's not at all how miller works. Unless I'm off in lala land. I've never in my life played a mafia game where miller works that way. 

Is that a dart thing that I'm not aware of. 
I’m pretty sure she’s getting terminology mixed up. What I think she means is she would appear guilty in a cop report if she was vanilla even thought she would as killer win with town.

With that being said, she is notorious for screwing up as mafia. That’s what led to Mafia defeat in my Civil War Generals mafia. If anything this just makes me want to scumread her even more and believe Supa’s claim even more. It’s such a horrible defense that I would expect noob mafia to use. Especially if it’s a team of noobs, which I suspected it was earlier
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@Vader
Right now I wouldn’t be opposed to Danielle. I just don’t think GP is scum because he’s said that he would target PGO’s if he was a visiting role. This is definitely something GP would do, but I don’t get why he claimed Mason. Is that normal meta for that role? Haven’t played enough games with it
I definitely trust GP more than Danielle. Why would scum ever visit a claimed PGO. Even if they suspected she was lying it’s just a bad move.

I’m personally lynching either Danielle or That1 today.
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I've already explained why I'm suspicious of you, and it sounds like your response is basically "but it can't be because I'm vanilla town or maybe just an unknowing miller", which isn't very convincing to me. Similarly, if you want to claim that saying "definitely" somehow outs me when you're the one who's focused more on my use of the term than anyone here, or that my desire for more information outs me as a mafia with an informational deficit, then I guess that's your prerogative. Nothing I've said lends credence to your claims beyond you just reading into my words way too much.

Regarding putting you above Danielle and GP, I have really only done the latter. The order of my post was based on the order of events in this thread. I actually am more sus of Danielle than I am of you for lying about her role. As for GP, I think he just wanted to hide his Hot Potato role until he was able to give the bomb to someone else. I'm unclear on why he chose to mason (which he could still be, but which also made him a target) or why there was this link with Lunatic if he isn't a mason, but I'd have to believe that Lunatic was covering for him as well in order to believe that he's mafia. I don't know why that would happen. So I'd prefer a lynch on Danielle over you, but GP seems less sus than you do.
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This also has me really questioning pies role. Actually. 

Vtl pie

Everyone do this. 


I want to make sure he's not a 1x lynch proof. 

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This is a poor behavior analysis, I went after Speed to test Whiteflame's vanilla theory and unvoted after pleading to be vanilla,
How can you have a theory of someone being vanilla? What does a vote do for your theory? If you are saying if whiteflame would hammer Speed and that would give you a read, that is extremely flawed 

his confession was geniune to me and I believed him, unvoting at L-1 to prevent Speed's lynch.
How can you tell he was genuine besides a gut read?

If I was scum I had motivation to keep the L-1 vote and urge someone else to hammer, but I unvoted to prevent a potential mislynch.

Mafia can do that too if they wanted. It doesn't make you more or less scummy

I don't think I went after you Supa, you had a lot of pressure on you and I felt it unnecessary to vote you,
You did, but then unvoted after the cop claim. 

I joined the ILikePie vote confirming he is popular, and confirming with draftermod the 6/6 counted.

Fair point
I voted Whiteflame when Croc was being voted, both didn't claim at that point, with Croc claiming later and Whiteflame refusing to claim until DP2. I found this refusal reasonable so I unvoted and VTNL, DP1 ending in VTNL. 
So you voted someone because they didn't claim, but then they said they refuse to, you unvoted them and went for the VTNL instead? 

The only place I was trying to get a lynch was with Speed, to see if there really were multiple vanillas, so many others went for Speed that he was L-1, and I unvoted after his plea, preventing his lynching. I got a lynch off of Speed by unvoting.
Like I said, you are building the meta of pressure that led me to read you as scum during Civil War, but not directly saying it. Jumping to lynches and leading these force claims and such was your meta in Civil War which led me to use my cop on you. While this time, you have only have one justifiable excuse. The whiteflame vote seemed like a last attempt to force a mislynch off someone, until you bandwagon'd a VTNL to appear townie. The Speed vote was a read that you could've stayed consistent too, but instead you went on Whiteflame when Speed's lynch was dying. To me, this type of pressure building is what lead me to catch you as scum last time, and why I did it again. You could be right about me being paranoid, but I have a really strong feeling Drafterman put paranoid in this game to paranoia us about roles and if Danielle turns scum, I have more of a reason to vote you
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@whiteflame
Vtl pie re testing his claim..
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@Vader
Vtl pie. Re testing his claim 
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Vtl yourself. 
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@Elminster
This also has me really questioning pies role. Actually. 

Vtl pie

Everyone do this. 


I want to make sure he's not a 1x lynch proof. 
Be my guest!
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Vtl pie to re test his claim 
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Vtl yourself. 
VTL Pie
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@ILikePie5
Right, I have the same process. I might actually vote Danielle and test my role out tonight to see if there is a variant. I have you as a town read and likely my biggest town read
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@Elminster
Unvote VTL Pie
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We get this to 6. 

One person unvote and then revote. 

Do that 2-3 times. 
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Pie -2/6
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I'm doing it cuz it will ultimately help me when it comes to my role and to test it
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I believe we actually checked on this. If he was 1X Lynchproof, the DP would have ended when we failed to lynch him. Could we get public confirmation on that, Draft?
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Pie 2/5 *
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Wana just make sure. No reason not to test 
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Oh shit whiteflame actually might be right.
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Unless drafter mod confirms lynch proof would end the dp. May have missed him saying that 
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@Elminster
We get this to 6. 
Only 5. 6 and the DP ends with me being lynched
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Yep corrected it right after 
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@Elminster
Unless drafter mod confirms lynch proof would end the dp. May have missed him saying that 
I think he did. I’ll look for it 
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This is off my gut. But I think wf and user are town. 

This moves my poe a bit and I'm really struggling with whether or not a fucking popular mafia would actually be in the game. If drafter said lynch proof would end the dp then that confirms him as popular and that is making me internally struggle 

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@Elminster
This is what Speed said:


I assume he asked Drafter. I’ll ask Drafter myself to confirm tho
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wait retest pie? He's most likely not 1x lycnh proof but ok
vtl pie