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@Wagyu
Why stop at 10,000? Why not blame God for every death?
CONTEXT!!!!!
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@Mopac
It's not like anyone is entitled to live.
What happened to love ur neighbor like you love ur self.
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@Wagyu
You are holding The Ultimate Reality to the standards you would hold a human.
This is patently idiotic.
Why stop at 10,000? Why not blame God for every death?
Because then the silliness of his charge becomes obvious. Our sock only enjoys spray painting, not explaining why he spray painted what he did, and enjoys even less, questions that expose his bias and dishonesty.
When you ask questions like that, the hypocrite will just ooze to another can of spraypaint.
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@ethang5
And yes, that is a terrible thing to do. And I am ashamed to have done so, I really am. But do you know what caused me to do that don't you. Elmer?. But what you should be ashamed of is blocking and then responding to the one you blocked when he posts a thread to someone else.
That is EXACTLY my point , Elmer. I have put up with this cowardly treatment from two of your lovely friends for almost a year (even AFTER asking moderation to do something about it) and have decided that, going into the new year I am not going to have the piss taken out of me any longer by your buddies and especially YOU!
I don't care if you block me, but if you do, don't then start addressing my posts to other people.
Yes it is a terrible thing to do isn't it? So, so annoying and irritable , not to mention the agitation one feels especially after getting banned for complaining about it.
Like you I agree that it is cowardly but NOT AGAINTS THE RULES, by all accounts Elmer.it shows how mentally off balanced you are, and how dishonest you are, all without me doing anything.
Well I thought I would give it a go even knowing full well what a cowardly act it is do on anyone, even those we don't like. I never once heard you call out your friends "cowardly actions and cowardly behaviour" when they did exactly this to me on hundreds of occasions. It must be a Christian thing, that one only feels the effect of something when it happens to them. But as your good cowardly friends have said to me on many occasions. "I will post when and where I like, suck it up".
If you block me, it means you don't want me to talk to you, yet you will seek out and answer a post of mine not addressed to you! Are you sane? And you will later whine that I attacked you.
No . If I see a post, any post, including yours, that is worthy of a response from me, then I will respond to it. It's not against the rules, Elmer. " suck it up" as your cowardly friends like to remind me.
At least we agree that you're a coward.
We can. And doesn't sound like something a real coward would admit to does it. But I agree , it is a cowardly act to block someone and then persistently respond to those you have blocked.
I can't understand why it is that you are moaning and whining so early and so soon after I blocked you. I endured months and months of it before I even considered complaining about it. And then it was months more before I raised this irritating and antagonising and cowardly behaviour with moderation and got banned for doing so. ( I actually believe that there was a misunderstanding as to who was flagging whom) , but banned I was.
So if you do not like the fact that I can respond to you directly but won't afford you the same curtesy, then take it up with moderation. Or simply block me. I won't hold it against you princess.I won't block you.
Well lets be honest. The way the blocking function works on this forum doesn't really serve its purpose does it? We can still communicate . On other forums I wouldn't even see your posts once I had you on block affording me a right to ignore you without me even knowing.
But what it does do though is serve as an official warning that I do not want YOU to respond to ME, at all and especially on my own threads, when I have politely asked you on a number of occasions not to post in reply to me or on my threads.
Any further comments made to me by YOU especially on my own threads I will take as harassment and stalking and will expect them to be treated as such.Lol!!! You're responding to me even when I'm not posting to you, but if I post to your loser threads that would be harassment?? Hee! Hee! That's hilarious.
Exactly. You obviously haven't understood what I have been saying to you. And on reflection, I am truly thankful that you haven't.
why you blocked me.
I thought I told you why I blocked you. This is why, Elmer>>>
When it came to BLOCKING YOU, it was YOUR disgusting comments about people being murdered by jihadists that finally caused me to block you.#154 Or have you forgotten what you actually wrote?
here you are>>
" Why would any sort of jihadist keep me awake? Most of the world is not as run over with jihadists as England is. Only sheep or soldiers get killed by jihadists".#154
If that didn't deserve a lengthy ban then I don't know what does, to be honest.
And this came not long after your return from a lengthy ban for " a pattern of sexual harassment" of a member, .#17
There now. I hope that clears everything up nicely for you, Elmer.
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@Stephen
Everyone understands the context Stephen....It's just that some people read more into it than others....Chiefly because they were taught to read more in to it.
In a nutshell....That's what makes the difference between Theism and Atheism.
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@Mopac
You know what else is patently idiotic? Worshiping a book which contains such horrors as the bible. One where people pray to a being who killed 10 000 because they felt like it.
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@Wagyu
We don't worship a book. That would be idiotic.
That is something some protestants do. It's called bibliolatry.
And the only reason we are even talking about these things at all is because you live in a society where your only exposure to Christianity is through heresy.
The ground is very poisoned. Who would be open to hearing about true Christianity when they've been oversaturated with the conflicting opinions of all these bozo heretics? At this point, why care to hear more?
Nothing I can do about that.
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@Mopac
We don't worship a book. That would be idiotic.
You worship God of whom killed 10 000 people at his will.
Who would be open to hearing about true Christianity when they've been oversaturated with the conflicting opinions of all these bozo heretics?
But these are things that you, as a Christian need to understand. You can't just look at all the "happy" verses and be blind to the evil ones. You need to address the confronting versus if you really want people to take you seriously.
At this point, why care to hear more?
This whole verse is about "context". I as an atheist have things that I want to be cleared up. I have provided verses which I want cleared up. Clearly, you are as confused as I am, as you have not addressed even a single one of these versus.
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And yes, that is a terrible thing to do. And I am ashamed to have done so, I really am. But do you know what caused me to do that don't you. Elmer?
what you should be ashamed of is blocking and then responding to the one you blocked when he posts a thread to someone else.
That is EXACTLY my point , Elmer.
Mine too. And you rather are ashamed of the blocking. Correct your shame.
I am not going to have the piss taken out of me any longer by your buddies and especially YOU!
So you decide to publicly shame yourself by being a moron coward?
Like you I agree that it is cowardly but NOT AGAINTS THE RULES, by all accounts Elmer.
I didn't say it was against the rules homer, it just shows how mentally off balanced you are, and how dishonest you are, all without me doing anything.
Well I thought I would give it a go even knowing full well what a cowardly act it is do on anyone, even those we don't like.
Lol. Thanks coward.
I never once heard you call out your friends "cowardly actions and cowardly behaviour" when they did exactly this to me on hundreds of occasions.
Because I don't follow you. I don't know who has blocked you and I don't care. You really aren't important to me. It isn't my responsibility to call out anyone dusting you. Your horrible militant behavior makes you deserve it anyway.
If you block me, it means you don't want me to talk to you, yet you will seek out and answer a post of mine not addressed to you! Are you sane? And you will later whine that I attacked you.
No.
Yes. Sorry man, but that isn't sane behavior.
If I see a post, any post, including yours, that is worthy of a response from me, then I will respond to it. It's not against the rules, Elmer. " suck it up" as your cowardly friends like to remind me.
Lol! OK jasper.
At least we agree that you're a coward.
We can
We do. But we have always known you were a coward from the way you run away from questions and lie in your posts.
And doesn't sound like something a real coward would admit to does it.
A dumb one would.
But I agree , it is a cowardly act to block someone and then persistently respond to those you have blocked.
Not to mention stupid. Especially if you think the blocked person's responses to you would be "harassment." It verges on insane.
I can't understand why it is that you are moaning and whining so early and so soon after I blocked you.
Lol!! I never even asked about you blocking me, you rushed to tell me. I told you I didn't care if you blocked me, and that I would not block you. You want attention so bad, its pathetic.
I endured months and months of it before I even considered complaining about it. And then it was months more before I raised this irritating and antagonising and cowardly behaviour with moderation and got banned for doing so. ( I actually believe that there was a misunderstanding as to who was flagging whom) , but banned I was.
The mods were right. And you have just validated their ban.
So if you do not like the fact that I can respond to you directly but won't afford you the same curtesy, then take it up with moderation. Or simply block me. I won't hold it against you princess.
I won't block you. You aren't important enough, and nothing you do here is important enough.
Well lets be honest. The way the blocking function works on this forum doesn't really serve its purpose does it? We can still communicate.
Especially with you posting TO me after you block. Lol. It serves it's purpose well, it's just that your purpose is not blocking, it's attention whoring.
On other forums I wouldn't even see your posts once I had you on block affording me a right to ignore you without me even knowing.
Lol!! Protecting you from yourself! Are you sane?
But what it does do though is serve as an official warning that I do not want YOU to respond to ME, at all and especially on my own threads, when I have politely asked you on a number of occasions not to post in reply to me or on my threads.
OK Jasper. You do not want me to respond to you, but you will respond to me. We'll see if that idiocy passes muster with the mods.
Any further comments made to me by YOU especially on my own threads I will take as harassment and stalking and will expect them to be treated as such.
Treated as such by whom? The clown posse? Because we don't have a single mod that stupid. Not one. Lol!!! You're responding to me even when I'm not posting to you, but if I post to your loser threads that would be harassment?? Hee! Hee! That's hilarious.
Exactly. You obviously haven't understood what I have been saying to you. And on reflection, I am truly thankful that you haven't.
Oh stop! You're killing me. rofl!
I thought I told you why I blocked you.
I didn't ask.
There now. I hope that clears everything up nicely for you, Elmer.
Lol. You really want me to care and I just don't. You're just another lonely, confused, obsessive guy looking for attention online. You're even faking my posts to make it seem like I give one fart about you and your block. Hee, hee!
Wow, are you unhinged.
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@Wagyu
“God himself will kill tens of thousands if it pleases him”Samuel 6:19
1 Samuel 6:19 - not sure which translation you are using. The NIV explains firstly what God did. He struck down seventy men because they looked inside the Ark of the Covenant. The context is - Israel pre-king. It was written probably by Samuel - describing the events when Israel had rebelled against the Lord, and the Ark had been captured by the Philistines. And now God had brought it back to Israel. Not because Israel had repented of its rebellion - but because the Philistines could not handle the awesome God in their midst. It was written to the people of Israel - and it was informing them of the awesomeness and holiness of the Lord God Almighty. The first five books of the OT had provided very specific details about how to handle the Ark of the Covenant - because God has chosen to use it as his representation on earth. One rule was don't touch it. Only Levites were allowed to carry it and by particular poles. The Holiness of God is not something to mess with. Here ordinary men - not even priests looked into the ark of God - this was immediate death - and they should have known it. These people disregarded God's laws and so God - carried out the just punishment on these people. the verse you quoted - is either not this verse or it does not reflect what this passage is about.
“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, She will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are”Peter 2:18
Again - the verse you quote is not this verse. 1 Peter 2:18 - is post Christ. IT is written by Peter to Christians who are scattered about the known world - a world where slavery is normal. Christians of course - were taking the view that in Christ, they did not need to be slaves and were insisting to their masters that Christ had released them from slavery the moment they became Christians. In doing so - they were not demonstrating humility and submissiveness as they ought to. Peter's point was that if you are going to suffer - make sure you suffer for doing good - not for being bad. Christians in that sense were demonstrating - our own humility and submissiveness to Christ and God. - v. 16 of that chapter says - live as freemen but do not use freedom as a cover up for evil. If slaves had been bought for a price - then slaves ought to figure out a way to make sure the owners were repaid. It has nothing to say about females and not being released.
“Their little ones will be dashed to pieces before their eyes. Their houses will be looted, and their wives will be raped”.Isaiah 13:19
Where did you get these verses and their references from? Did you just do a cut and paste job from a book that you had read - but never checked out whether or not the bible actually says what you are saying?
" Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms,
the glory of the Babylonians’ pride,
will be overthrown by God
like Sodom and Gomorrah." Is 13:19.
The verse you are actually referring to is in v. 16 . You can go and find it. Do your homework before you ask others to do the same.
This is a book written by Isaiah while Israel was in captivity in relation to Babylon. It is a chapter about God's judgment on the land because of their evilness and wickedness. It is describing God's judgment on them for their wickedness. It is a picture of de-creation with many symbols inter alia. Yet in the verse you expressed - it is the Medes who - at the time were merciless and running amok in the world - living as the heathen nations did - and warring as they did - who attack Babylon. So, it is a prophecy by Isaiah of what would happen to Babylon because they were a wicked and sinful nation. They were judged and found wanting. The means of attack was the Medes who did whatever they wanted.
This is therefore descriptive - not prescriptive. It is not God saying to Israel or to Christians - go and kill children and rape their women. It is not even God condoning such a thing. It is God saying - when you are evil - someone more evil will come and destroy you in due course - who live according to their own rules and who do things in their own way. The warring people of the Medes probably saw it as acceptable to rape woman and kill children. Men in Israel were not permitted to rape woman and nor were they to kill people. Yet the situation is war.
“See now, I have two daughters who have not known a man; please, let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them as you wish; only do nothing to these men, since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”Genesis 19:8
The situation is in Abraham's time. Pre Israel. Pre Moses Law. Lot has already made a choice to leave Abraham and head off to Sodom for his own selfish reasons. The men who were visiting were angels who in the previous chapter had indicated they were coming to destroy Sodom for its wickedness. Lot did offer his daughters to these wicked men. Thankfully, they were not taken. Lot should never have done this. It is not condoned in the passage and it is a description of what took place. It is not prescriptive. The angles then destroyed these wicked and depraved men - and then the entire city - was killed. It was judged by God. A just destruction.
"Happy the one who takes and dashes Your little ones against the rock!"Psalm 137:9
This is a haunting psalm and song - or poem that described people's emotions. It is not prescription for people - but a description of how the people in Israel felt in their slavery in Babylon. And it is expressing real anguish and pain and anger and emotions at their captors. Israel had been captured by Babylon - and were made slaves. They had been ravished - their husbands killed before their eyes - and their sisters raped in front of them and then slaughtered. This song reflects their anguish and their feelings towards their captors. There is no indication that this is anything more than simply a reflection of the messiness of human suffering. It is not suggesting that God condoned babies being dashed against rocks. It is the people of Israel describing their pain.
"And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have — from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves"Leviticus 25:44-45
The context is Moses relating laws of prescription for Israel and a description for us of what was expected at that time. Every nation had slaves - Israel's slaves could not be kidnapped. They came either from people selling themselves as indentures - or as captives taken in war. Very specific ways are explained as how slaves were to be treated. Hence the context is the world - thousands of years ago where slavery was normal - but in a nation where slaves were treated as humans. It is not prescriptive for us. But was written to people in that time.
"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him"Levitivus 20:9
I have answered this before on this site. I take the view that the context is about relationships. In the time of Israel - written to Israelites about how they were to live at that time. It is not written to us as anything more than descriptive - not prescriptive. The substance of this statute - was about threatening to cause harm to another. Blessing was a good thing - cursing was its counter - action. To cause harm. The essence of the law was about protecting families - and the sentence expressed the value Israelites were to put on families. the part of the verse which says - "his blood shall be upon him" - is particular idiom of Israel which indicated it was a covenant situation.
"Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths"2 Kings 2:23
This is the time of prophets. Prophets were those who spoke the Words of God and represented God. When people mocked the prophets - it was the same as mocking God. Elisha cursed them - and God judged them. IT is a description of what happened. It is not prescriptive for people today to curse people. It reveals that God controls and rules over nature - and that people should not mock God and his prophets. Yet - the situation here was descriptive. And written for people in Israel to respect the Prophecies of God and not to mock God.
In the Old Testament, God murdered 203834 people, now compare that to Satan who killed 10.
Says you without any evidence for such a weird number.
I must say - that it is disapointing that you expect us to do our homework - yet you could not even be bothered to check out the passages you quote.
I thought you were acting in good faith. My bad. You simply cut and paste - and did not even check the footnotes or the accuracy of where you cut and paste.
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@Tradesecret
Very interesting rev, or should I say ethang?
You have passed the first level, the on which I spent 30 seconds constructing a completely copy and pasted argument from google. Now, instead of 30 seconds, I shall double my efforts and use a minute. (although admittedly, other religious folks had some issues with even these verses"
He (God) struck down seventy men because they looked inside the Ark of the Covenant.
And this is right now is it? They were taken down with a mighty blow because they looked at some old wooden chest? What did they discover in there? Surely, it's highly confidential, as God had to kill the men for seeing what the chest harboured. Nope, just a stone tablet.
The act of murder is rampant in the Bible. In much of the Bible, especially the Old Testament, there are laws that command that people be killed for absurd reasons such as working on the Sabbath, being gay, cursing your parents, or not being a virgin on your wedding night. In addition to these crazy and immoral laws, there are plenty of examples of God’s irrationality by his direct killing of many people for reasons that defy any rational explanation such as killing children who make fun of bald people, and the killing of a man who tried to keep the ark of God from falling during transport. There are also countless examples of mass murders commanded by God, including the murder of women, infants, and children.
1) Capital Punishment Crimes:
Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
Death for Fornication
A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)
2) God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons:
God Kills the Curious
And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and’ fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)
3) Murdering Children
Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
God Will Kill Children
The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
God Will Kill the Children of Sinners
If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
More Rape and Baby Killing
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)
4) Miscellaneous Murders
Mass Murder
This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: ‘I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.’ (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)
You Have to Kill
Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)
God Promises More Killing
I will make Mount Seir utterly desolate, killing off all who try to escape and any who return. I will fill your mountains with the dead. Your hills, your valleys, and your streams will be filled with people slaughtered by the sword. I will make you desolate forever. Your cities will never be rebuilt. Then you will know that I am the LORD. (Ezekiel 35:7-9 NLT)
The Angel of Death
My angel will go before you and bring you to the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites, and Jebusites; and I will wipe them out. (Exodus 23:23 NAB)
Mass Murder
The men of Israel withdrew through the territory of the Benjaminites, putting to the sword the inhabitants of the city, the livestock, and all they chanced upon. Moreover they destroyed by fire all the cities they came upon. (Judges 20:48 NAB)
Kill Your Neighbors
(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come over here and join me.” And all the Levites came. He told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.” The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, “Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing.” (Exodus 32:26-29 NLT)
Kill Followers of Other Religions
While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD’s anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: “Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel.” So Moses ordered Israel’s judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man’s body and into the woman’s stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)
Enjoy!
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@Wagyu
As I said, we use the scriptures to teach lessons. To point people to our faith, which is about loving The Truth above all else, and loving those around us.
The God we worship is Truth. What happened here? People died. The ones who wrote the account attributed the deaths to divine judgement. What did they do? They broke the law, they did something they weren't supposed to do. They infiltrated area 51, and were shot by the guards.
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@Wagyu
See, there is no end to all this. You are seeking things to be offended by.
But all these things you attribute to us because you find examples of them in scripture we do not do. That isn't what we are taught.
That shoul ld tell you that youbare missing something very important. That is, the broader context.
The vast majority of the old testament is a chronicle of ancient Israel screwing up. The things that were written have to be looked at through the lens of the faith.
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@Mopac
See, there is no end to all this.
Well I am glad that you understand that. Maybe it the scriptures weren't so ambiguous there would be an end to the scrutiny and questions. And the likes of you do not help when you are forever avoiding questions .
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@Stephen
Your issue comes from having the protestant understanding of how scripture is to be taken, their "sola scriptura" doctrine.
We Orthodox do not have this issue, because we use the scriptures properly. If you had an orthodox understanding of how scripture was used, we wouldn't be talking about these things.
For the record, I am the only Orthodox Christian who debates on the religion forum. Everyone else is protestant. We consider them heretical.
We've also been around for thousands of years, something no protestant church can claim.
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@Wagyu
The author of life can take anyone, any time he pleases and because he is the creator of life, it is not murder.
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@Mopac
Your issue comes from having the protestant understanding
Nope. My issues spring from the fact that the scriptures are contradictory and ambiguous and people like you not being able to answer the simplest of questions about although you tell us that they are true.
Another issue is the reason that I started this thread . YOU Christians always claim it is the atheist that misses the context, yet when presented with the opportunity to explain the context of certain verses, you run a mile . So leave this thread now Mopac. You have had your say, I have read your opinion and decided that you would continue talking shite rather than address the subject.
I am the only Orthodox Christian who debates on the religion forum. Everyone else is protestant. We consider them heretical.
And I don't care.
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@Stephen
As I said, scripture's proper context is through the church. In a liturgical context. What we use it to teach.
What do we use scripture to teach? Not the things that you derive from it. We use scripture to teach the faith. The faith is not a set of historical facts. Rather, we use these stories to explain what we teach.
Never has bibliolatry been a part of our faith.
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@Mopac
Ok now go away.
This thread is to do with giving theist the chance to explain context after years of claiming atheist always take the scriptures out of context. You are not interested in doing so. So leave.
I am not interested in your faith and this thread has nothing to do with what you use the scriptures for.
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@Stephen
There are those who don't believe the rules of grammer (including context) are important but they must be very poor communicators.
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@Stephen
I explained to you how your use of scripture is out of context.
They are our scriptures. The New Testament was written and compiled by Orthodox Christians. It is our book.
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@ethang5
I told you I didn't care if you blocked me,
Then stop your bitching and whining like little tart that's lost her gym slip.
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@ronjs
So if a mother creates a baby can she kill it?
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@Mopac
This isn't about what the Israels did or didn't do. This is about why God killed 10 000 people. Which you cannot answer.
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@Wagyu
As I said, it is perfectly within God's business to give and take away life as He sees fit.
We all have our time to go.
You were given life by God, and when the time comes you too will die.
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@Mopac
If my mum gives birth to me (creates me and brings me into the world) does she have the rights to kill me?
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@Wagyu
Not at all.
Your mother is not The Ultimate Reality. To make peace with reality is to make peace with God. There is death and suffering in the world. Accepting this as reality is better than pointing at reality and saying, "I would rather it be this way, so I do not accept it!". One way is reasonable and gives peace of mind. The other way is to prefer delusion and the hell that comes with it.
The God we believe in is The God of Truth. That is why it is silly to judge God. Surely, God's judgement is righteous, and we are the wrong ones.
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@Wagyu
Mothers don't create life, they live it.
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@Wagyu
Why should I do your homework for you? This is not a pissing contest. You made some rudimentary comments in your prior post about context - and I amply demonstrated the need for understanding context - I even addressed the verses you provided - despite them being a very bad cut and paste job by you. It is not for me to continue to show context for these verses - it is for you to show why context is NOT important.
And I certainly am not interested in elevating myself up some arbitrary system of levels that you are providing. What an arrogant thing of you to do.
You asserted CONTEXT is unimportant. Or rather you suggested that theists call out "context" whenever they feel like they are being beaten. Yet, I have completely and utterly demonstrated that context is important and that it provides significant understanding to each verse.
The ball is in your court - now.
Play ball.