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@HistoryBuff
lol there has been literal tons of evidence presented the last two weeks
The Democrats are going to take the wrong lessons from this election (again)
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@Dr.Franklin
lol there has been literal tons of evidence presented the last two weeks
no, no there has not. There has been some conspiracy theories and hearsay. There has been no actual evidence presented. As highlighted by the tons of lawsuits that trump has had tossed out. At this point, the only lawsuits he has left are for tiny amounts of votes that wouldn't change the outcome.
If they had evidence of "fake votes" that would be included in their lawsuits. But since it isn't, they obviously don't have any evidence. Get over it, trump lost.
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@HistoryBuff
so you admit it was a tiny amount of votes?
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@Dr.Franklin
Great Doc!
Good to see you're still inoculating liberals with doses of reality.
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@ethang5
Has the war with Harikrish ended yet?😂
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@dustryder
How do you know its a fact if all the votes have not been counted and election officials have not called the vote?
Basic reasoning and balance of probability?
Elections in America are not called on "basic reason and probability". At least for now. I will KNOW when a qualified election official calls it.
You, like most liberals, seem not to need election officials or due process.
Let's examine this logically.
Legal votes count. Logical votes don't.
Biden is currently leading in the supposedly contested states by some margin of votes.
This is only if you pretend that "contested" has no meaning.
There are very few remaining uncounted votes, such that they cannot surpass the margin. Hence Trump cannot flip these states by simply counting any remaining votes.
Well, a state not won by Biden cannot be "flipped". If your argument cannot be reasonable unless you pre-assume it is correct, it probably isn't correct.
The only recourse Trump has is overturning votes through court action. How likely is this?
How likely it is is immaterial. What we want to know is, how true is it?
Well, we know that widespread voter fraud has never occurred previously.
No single party presidential impeachment had ever occurred previously. No fake whistleblower had ever been planted by Adam Schiff previously. No sitting president had ever spied on a presidential candidate previously. So?
We know that as of yet, there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud for this election.
That is the mass media lie you've been spoon fed. But its good to see liberals have been beaten back to adding in " widespread". At first they just said, "no voter fraud". Dominium is a problem. Burst water pipes is a problem. Whistle blowers on election fraud is a problem. State AG's, Governors, and election officials who have been deemed to have violated the condtitution by the courts is a problem. Wake up man!
We know that Trump's own officials have stated that this was one of the most secure elections in US history.
Trump's own officials said they had an "insurance policy" to ensure he didn't win. Those same "officials just spent 4 years telling us that Russia meddled in the 2016 election.
Apart from this, he'd have to prove that this occurred in several states, for a number of votes that surpasses all known cases of voter fraud in history. Not very likely at all.
Your priority may be the likelihood of Trump winning, my priority is the validity of the 2020 election. Either way, I will wait till a court of jurisdiction decides.
And obviously, Trump will remain president until Jan 20th. No one has said otherwise.
Facebook has removed " President" from his official account. Mainstream news outlets are calling Biden "President-elect". A few democratic idiots are saying Trump should be removed from office before Jan. Some are saying Trump should be barred from intelligence briefings.
Where do liberals keep the reality they jettison?
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@ILikePie5
In a way yes. We are at the stage now where we torture the POW for his war crimes.
I just have to ask. What is your favorite pie? Mine are peach and pecan.
It's overtly obvious; the Party wanted to nominate a wimp who would be malleable. Joe Biden is a waning moderate, a wing of the Party that is virtually extinct. Joe Biden is the perfect melted wax that can be, as AOC said, manipulated. In effect, the Party did the same thing they did in 1952 - a brokered convention. Easier this time, being virtual. Re-imagined. Re-diculous.
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@ethang5
In a way yes. We are at the stage now where we torture the POW for his war crimes.
😂😂
I just have to ask. What is your favorite pie? Mine are peach and pecan.
Apple Pie for sure. McDonald’s Apple Pies to be specific
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@Dr.Franklin
That's what Mr Trump wanted you to believe.
And you fell for it.
Humans out-sheeping the sheep again.....Baaaa.
What's up Doc.
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@ethang5
Elections in America are not called on "basic reason and probability". At least for now. I will KNOW when a qualified election official calls it.
Let's be honest. Whether or not a qualified election official calls it, you'll invent your own reality and call it a day anyway
This is only if you pretend that "contested" has no meaning.
Not really. Just because a state is being contested doesn't negate any cast votes. That comes later when evidence is brought forth.
Well, a state not won by Biden cannot be "flipped". If your argument cannot be reasonable unless you pre-assume it is correct, it probably isn't correct.
Agreed. However Biden has won these states. Therefore it can be flipped.
How likely it is is immaterial. What we want to know is, how true is it?
How true is it is immaterial when it comes to this.
No single party presidential impeachment had ever occurred previously. No fake whistleblower had ever been planted by Adam Schiff previously. No sitting president had ever spied on a presidential candidate previously. So?
All of what you've said is fake news. So your point is moot.
That is the mass media lie you've been spoon fed. But its good to see liberals have been beaten back to adding in " widespread". At first they just said, "no voter fraud". Dominium is a problem. Burst water pipes is a problem. Whistle blowers on election fraud is a problem. State AG's, Governors, and election officials who have been deemed to have violated the condtitution by the courts is a problem. Wake up man!
So to reiterate, no widespread election fraud has been found thus far.
Trump's own officials said they had an "insurance policy" to ensure he didn't win. Those same "officials just spent 4 years telling us that Russia meddled in the 2016 election.
Yawn conspiracy theory. Yawn yawn yawn.
Your priority may be the likelihood of Trump winning, my priority is the validity of the 2020 election. Either way, I will wait till a court of jurisdiction decides.
That's great! You should be in total support of quashing these fake and bogus election fraud probes then.
Facebook has removed " President" from his official account. Mainstream news outlets are calling Biden "President-elect". A few democratic idiots are saying Trump should be removed from office before Jan. Some are saying Trump should be barred from intelligence briefings.
The relevance of this to your original contention is what exactly?
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@zedvictor4
are you kidding me? there is so much evidence for fraud and your comparing it to nazi germany
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@Dr.Franklin
That's what Mr Trump wanted you to believe.And you fell for it.Humans out-sheeping the sheep again.....Baaaa.What's up Doc.are you kidding me? there is so much evidence for fraud and your comparing it to nazi germany
Lol This is perfect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cL67USFaS8
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@ethang5
same with you!
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@ILikePie5
lol that war will never end
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@Conway
what was it about?
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@Dr.Franklin
Bugs Bunny is making a fool out of the Germans during WWII.
You know his signature line right?
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@Conway
no.
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@zedvictor4
@Dr.Franklin
It is THE one liner.
Here's another Looney Tune with Daffy Duck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0kSYH-L-YQ
Straight from WWII - The Ducktators
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@dustryder
Let's be honest. Whether or not a qualified election official calls it, you'll invent your own reality and call it a day anyway.
No matter what I call it, Biden is not the winner till it is called. But if you're omniscient, I don't have a chance do I?
That comes later when evidence is brought forth.
You've already convicted Trump. What "evidence" fed that conclusion if you know evidence is yet to be brought forth? Or perhaps your current position is not based on evidence?
However Biden has won these states. Therefore it can be flipped.
Biden has won nothing till he is declared the winner. He has not been. You must pretend Biden has won to conclude the State is flippable. Pretense makes for poor arguments.
How true is it is immaterial when it comes to this.
Eh. How true it is that the vote was corrupt is material to me and 78 million other Americans. But then, we're conservatives, truth matters to us.
All of what you've said is fake news. So your point is moot.
The impeachment was by a single party, that is a fact. The fake whistleblower was found to have been in communication with Adam Schiff's office though Mr. Schiff had previously denied it. That the Obama administration spied on Trump is a matter on record. Who do you think spied on Carter Page?
So to reiterate, no widespread election fraud has been found thus far.
Then why have several counties and states refused to certify the votes? Why have courts found that Governors and election officials were unconstitutional? Why have the courts not thrown out the cases? Why are you pretending not to see my points?
Yawn conspiracy theory. Yawn yawn yawn.
So you tell us what that email between the two crooked FBI lover agents meant by having an "insurance policy" that would stop Trump from winning the election? Droning the phrase "conspiracy theory" is not a counter argument.
Your priority may be the likelihood of Trump winning, my priority is the validity of the 2020 election. Either way, I will wait till a court of jurisdiction decides.
That's great! You should be in total support of quashing these fake and bogus election fraud probes then.
Conservatives prefer to let due process work. That is why justice Kavenaugh was not borked and the election still has not been called. My constitution values courts, and does not convict till after investigations are done.
The relevance of this to your original contention is what exactly?
You lied that no one had done that.
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@Dr.Franklin
There is also so much evidence to suggest that Mr Trump is a megalomaniac.
And believing and acting upon what a megalomaniac tells you is and was a recipe for disaster.
It was quite saddening to see republican supporters behaving like sheep.
Especially as the U.S.A. is the nation that identifies itself as being the No.1 in support of democracy and freedom from tyranny.
The charismatic megalomaniac duping the gullible masses..... It's an age worn phenomenon, that the U.S.A has been fighting against all around the globe, for years.
And you couldn't recognise it in your own backyard.
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@ethang5
No matter what I call it, Biden is not the winner till it is called. But if you're omniscient, I don't have a chance do I?
Biden is the winner. Vain hopes are no substitute for reality.
You've already convicted Trump. What "evidence" fed that conclusion if you know evidence is yet to be brought forth? Or perhaps your current position is not based on evidence?
No convictions here.
Biden has won nothing till he is declared the winner. He has not been. You must pretend Biden has won to conclude the State is flippable. Pretense makes for poor arguments.
The winning of states precedes the winning of the nation. Your assertion otherwise is nonsensical
Eh. How true it is that the vote was corrupt is material to me and 78 million other Americans. But then, we're conservatives, truth matters to us.
If truth mattered to you, you'd have the grace to stop spouting mistruths. You've spouted a string of mistruths in the span of a couple of posts. QED you don't value the truth
The impeachment was by a single party, that is a fact. The fake whistleblower was found to have been in communication with Adam Schiff's office though Mr. Schiff had previously denied it. That the Obama administration spied on Trump is a matter on record. Who do you think spied on Carter Page?
The impeachment was by a single party - that was empowered by the majority of American people to do so. I'll give you that. The rest is nonsense.
Then why have several counties and states refused to certify the votes? Why have courts found that Governors and election officials were unconstitutional? Why have the courts not thrown out the cases? Why are you pretending not to see my points?
To reiterate, no widespread election fraud has been found thus far. Which is why instead of presenting direct evidence of widespread election fraud, you're attempting to paint a picture with a collection of shoddy circumstantial nonsense. Cute, but hardly convincing to anyone with two brain cells to spare.
So you tell us what that email between the two crooked FBI lover agents meant by having an "insurance policy" that would stop Trump from winning the election? Droning the phrase "conspiracy theory" is not a counter argument.
It's a conspiracy theory because you've yet to show material evidence. I'm not the czar of Russia just because I say I am. Likewise, posturing from two random FBI means nothing until evidence is shown that more was done other than posturing
Conservatives prefer to let due process work. That is why justice Kavenaugh was not borked and the election still has not been called. My constitution values courts, and does not convict till after investigations are done.
Let me fix that for you. Conservatives prefer to let due to process work when it benefits them and they can pretend to take the highroad. Which is why you claim to value truth and due process, but simultaneously call a whistleblower a fake whistleblower
You lied that no one had done that.
Oh in that case my contention holds. I was just confused because your response was so nonsensical. Calling Biden president elect does not mean Trump is not still president until January 20. Saying that Trump should be barred from intelligence does not mean Trump is not still President. Saying Trump should be removed from office before January 20th is not equivalent to will be.
Facebook removing "President" from his official account is just false. Do your research you silly goose.
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@dustryder
Biden is the winner.
You better tell the states to declare that then. Cause we know whomever you decide is the winner.
The impeachment was by a single party - that was empowered by the majority of American people to do so.
Then I was correct and you were wrong.
I'll give you that. The rest is nonsense.
You first called it an untruth. The rest are facts you cannot counter.
It's a conspiracy theory because...
WHY its a conspiracy theory to you is immaterial. No one should be denied their day in court because someone thinks lowly of his allegation.
Conservatives prefer to let due to process work when it benefits them and they can pretend to take the highroad.
Due process is still warranted. And due process is supposed to benefit the person seeking redress. That is the point. You want thugs in the streets assaulting people and burning down property. We want redress legally and peacefully in a court of law.
Calling Biden president elect...
Biden is not president-elect. That is a lie.
Saying that Trump should be barred from intelligence does not mean Trump is not still President.
Of course it does. Intelligence briefings are FOR the president. A sitting president cannot be barred from intelligence briefings.
Saying Trump should be removed from office before January 20th is not equivalent to will be.
You said no one had done it.
Of the 2 of us, I am the one advocating the American system of due process. You seem to want a form of fascism where people you have pre-judged as "bad" never get their day in court.
The same thing was attempted on Judge Kavenaugh. Democrats wanted him convicted simply on an allegation. This is America, not 1970's South Africa. You do not decided whose allegation is worthy of jurisprudence. You do not call elections. You do not decide who wins.
Facebook removing "President" from his official account is just false. Do your research you silly goose.
And this is the problem with the mass media duping the sheeple. Even though its easy to go to the president's facebook page and see that he is now listed as "political candidate", you will just mouth the talking points of the fake news sites.
Go look at it and then get back to me. Yeesh.
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@ethang5
Essentially the U.S. people didn't vote against republicanism, they voted to get rid of Trump, because thankfully, the saw him for what he was.
Which for a lot of us other world citizens, restored our faith in the American people somewhat.
There was no major fraud, that's just Trumpian conspiracy delusion.
Next time, why not just choose an intellectually competent candidate.
And for the record.... I think that Biden is far too old for the job.... But by far the lesser of two evils.
Republican, Democrat...All essentially the same....Just a different club.....A bit like football.
At least Trump didn't start any wars......Although he's still got a month or so to go....We're not quite out of the woods yet.
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@zedvictor4
Next time, why not just choose an intellectually competent candidate.
Reality: Trumps economy was better than "smarter" Obama.
At least Trump didn't start any wars
Reality: Democrats assured us he would. But from the middle east to Korea, Trump has made war less likely.
they voted to get rid of Trump
Reality: Trump had more minority votes than any republican president in history. Trump had 78+ million votes. There was just a demonstration in Washington in excess of a million American people supporting Trump.
All you're telling us here is your biased slant on current events, not reality. That comes from existing on a steady diet of the BBC and CNN. I bet you expected a "blue wave" too.
But this is why we have courts. So that the MSM doesn't simply sheeple the majority into a wall-y existence. It's too late for England and Canada, but America still has sufficient people who can think for themselves.
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@ethang5
You better tell the states to declare that then. Cause we know whomever you decide is the winner.
Nope, that would be the people of each us state who decided to vote for Biden in the majority.
Then I was correct and you were wrong.
Nah
You first called it an untruth. The rest are facts you cannot counter.
Nah. What is claimed without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.
WHY its a conspiracy theory to you is immaterial. No one should be denied their day in court because someone thinks lowly of his allegation.
It's a conspiracy theory by definition. You claim to value truth but then reject the definition of words when inconvenient? Lul.
Due process is still warranted. And due process is supposed to benefit the person seeking redress. That is the point. You want thugs in the streets assaulting people and burning down property. We want redress legally and peacefully in a court of law.
Not really. Fake crys for due process should not be entertained, nor should conspiracy theories.
Biden is not president-elect. That is a lie.
Calling him by what he is does not mean Trump will be booted out of office earlier. You recall hopefully that Trump was also called president elect, and Obama was not magically booted out of office before his time.
Of course it does. Intelligence briefings are FOR the president. A sitting president cannot be barred from intelligence briefings.
And yet does not simultaneously mean that Trump will leave office earlier.
You said no one had done it.Of the 2 of us, I am the one advocating the American system of due process. You seem to want a form of fascism where people you have pre-judged as "bad" never get their day in court.The same thing was attempted on Judge Kavenaugh. Democrats wanted him convicted simply on an allegation. This is America, not 1970's South Africa. You do not decided whose allegation is worthy of jurisprudence. You do not call elections. You do not decide who wins.
And no one has. Should be is not equivalent to will be. Media is not reporting he will be no longer be president before Jan 20. You are simply wrong
And this is the problem with the mass media duping the sheeple. Even though its easy to go to the president's facebook page and see that he is now listed as "political candidate", you will just mouth the talking points of the fake news sites.
Incorrect. You claim it was changed. It was not changed. A cursory investigation into this allegation would've revealed this. You claim you value truth, but you do not do the least modicum of work to validate truth.
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@dustryder
I'm satisfied that anyone who looks at facebook will see it.
You, and liberals like you, will not be the door keepers to the courts, disallowing those who you pre-judge to be fake cries.
You can wail and cry now, but Trump will get his day in court, and no election will be called by you or the fake news outlets.
In the main time, people keep getting arrested for election fraud, and in each case so far, it has been democrats trying to cheat the system. As I said, your flippant denials do not change reality.
And you can call Biden anything you want, but until he is declared the winner, and not by CNN, he is not the president elect. Reality does not reside between your ears.
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@ethang5
I'm satisfied that anyone who looks at facebook will see it.
But you aren't satisfied with the truth?
You, and liberals like you, will not be the door keepers to the courts, disallowing those who you pre-judge to be fake cries.
No one cares hypocrite.
You can wail and cry now, but Trump will get his day in court, and no election will be called by you or the fake news outlets.
You seem to be the one wailing and crying that the courts should be allowed to precede. After all, it's not my money and time that will be wasted.
In the main time, people keep getting arrested for election fraud, and in each case so far, it has been democrats trying to cheat the system. As I said, your flippant denials do not change reality.
Sounds like nonsense to me. I know you're frightened of the word "evidence" but perhaps you should provide it some time. That way your statements don't get summarily dismissed.
And you can call Biden anything you want, but until he is declared the winner, and not by CNN, he is not the president elect. Reality does not reside between your ears.
The reality is he has won the most electoral votes. Calling him anything but the president elect is delusion.
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@ethang5
America still has sufficient people who can think for themselves.
Reality: Yep and they got rid of Trump.
I think that you are are referring to the Old White Guard, who are slowly dying out...More slowly in the U.S. than here in the U.K. perhaps
I would suggest that species evolution is unstoppable, and it's probably going to be slightly darker and more egalitarian than what you are currently used to.
And don't forget I'm neither blue nor red nor orange or green....I just sit comfortably on the fence and tell things as I see them.
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@zedvictor4
Mr.Trump is great