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@Mikal
Fair enough...
So basically you think he is a LP townie who isn't being the smartest with his role.
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@SirAnonymous
That's what I mean. Scum has wasted 2 dps.
I want to look at this later but I think luna can be scum.
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@Mikal
So are we willing to lynch him twice (2dps) to actually kill him if he's scum.
yes
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@MisterChris
I think he's lp or dp. This is after reflection and seeing this dp play out. Dp could make sense as town (danielle could use it after seeing it in the other game )
And yes I think he's just stupid.
Of course, we could just ask him if he's 1x or not. On the other hand, do we want scum to know the answer to that?
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@MisterChris
If Danielle intentionally gave roles then yes he is town. However that is uncertain so I’m not ruling out the possibility he is scum
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@Lunatic
I'm not down with that. If we are wrong, we are at mylo and there is no way to test this claim.
There is a much easier way to solve this and you can figure that out. Why do you want to waste 2 dps?
Any half intelligent mafia player can likely make an assumption about a big game like this. And if that assumption is true, it solves our issue (or potentially solves it )
Why people want to waste 2 dps to push us to mylo with the little information we have atm bothers me
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@Mikal
I want to look at this later but I think luna can be scum.
I don't know about that. According to the riddle, he's town. While it's technically possible that the riddle comes from some scum role, that seems insanely OP for the mafia team to be able to get the mod to give town incorrect information.
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@LikeMagic
how do you quote easily?
Its not as efficient as DDO, you have to copy and paste the thing you want to qoute, and the hit the little qoute icon.
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@MisterChris
That's true, I assumed he would have to call his role to use it. But if it's only "used" if "lynched" then we would have to do it two DPs. In which case I don't love it and think it's a giant waste of time. That said, I feel like we were given a piece of information from Pie and we need to to figure out how it helps us sort his affiliation.
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@SirAnonymous
Bro I've seen roles that mafia get where they can confirm themselves constantly. Like re writing flips and stuff
It would not surprise me in the slightest if mafia have a roll that allows them to post the first riddle
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@Mikal
Bro I've seen roles that mafia get where they can confirm themselves constantly. Like re writing flips and stuffIt would not surprise me in the slightest if mafia have a roll that allows them to post the first riddle
I really am inexperienced, or maybe DART just uses too many boring roles.
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@Mikal
It's one thing to have a role that allows you to give misinformation about a dead player and is a whole other thing for the mod to give misinformation about a living player.
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@SirAnonymous
He is way too eager to be lynched. If we just lynch him once, then we'll be wondering if he's a judas or something for the rest of the game. I'm not 100% yet, but lynching him twice might be the right move. Of course, it does have the downside that, if he is town, we'll have wasted two DPs. Still, if he really is 1x lynchproof, that will only bring us down to 8 players, so 5v3 or 6v2, or even 7v1 if he's scum. So using two lynches on him might not hurt us that much, especially if we get useful results along the way.
What pro town reason is there to claim lynchproof? When I claimed lynchproof, I was lying, technically. But even when I claimed it, I tried to claim it in a more pro town believable way by saying I died automatically when a certain character died, so it wouldn't be seen as OP. Deathproof townie, and a modconfirmed townie is way broken, but I just don't see danielle doing it. Pie has gotta be scum, if he's not jester than he is judas (we lynch him twice, it's a win). Doesn't make sense to claim death proof as saulus dp1, though maybe he is doing that.
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@SirAnonymous
Danielle is apart of our live games. She knows all this.
And luna is big at gambling. It just seems way to obvious to insta town confirm a player that way as a mod. It basically confirms him as the first nk
I'm okay with lynching luna actually
And luna is big at gambling. It just seems way to obvious to insta town confirm a player that way as a mod. It basically confirms him as the first nk
I'm okay with lynching luna actually
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@Mikal
I'm not down with that. If we are wrong, we are at mylo and there is no way to test this claim.There is a much easier way to solve this and you can figure that out. Why do you want to waste 2 dps?
You are dismissing pie as being an idiotic townie too easily. Sometimes he can do dumb stuff, like any of us, but he is more likely up to something.
Vtl luna
I don't buy the riddle.
I also think him pushing for us to waste 2 dps with his level of mafia experience is shady af
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@Lunatic
I can't see mafia having that role tbh. Maybe I'm wrong. But really second guessing it based on balance.
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@Mikal
I also don't buy any of the other roles Connor presented. Hunter for example, would only benefit him in a self lynch if he knew who to target or if a power role was out.
I am just pointing out there are a plethora of options you are discounting because you'd rather believe pie is idiotic townie
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@Mikal
lmao ok
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@Lunatic
What pro town reason is there to claim lynchproof?
POE. On the surface, it seems like an easy way to confirm a townie. Obviously, that's not quite what happened. However, if Pie didn't put a lot of thought in it, it could have seemed like a good idea.
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@Mikal
I'm okay with lynching luna actually
I'm not. Yes, it's possible the riddle was planted, but I really don't think it's likely. Theoretically, scum could have a role that puts words in the mod's mouth, but I don't see a mod doing that. Of course, I didn't see the mod using riddles at all, so there's that.
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@Lunatic
There is a large number of insane reasons but trying to think plausibly.
To me (occam's razor)
He wants to confirm himself
Noob town
Scumcred
Would scum have a lp or dp? I doubt it. He's not fake claiming as scum because he would have to be willing to die. Why would he sac himself first dp in the first few pages with no reads or roles?
So his role is probably accurate
Unvote for now. I need to think about this.
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@SirAnonymous
POE. On the surface, it seems like an easy way to confirm a townie. Obviously, that's not quite what happened. However, if Pie didn't put a lot of thought in it, it could have seemed like a good idea.
It wouldn't accomplish POE, because confirming he is lynch proof doesn't confirm him as town. Also pie said nothing about that when claiming, that is an argument you have made for him.
When I read this post #12 from luna really bothered me and I couldn't pin point why. Now it really bothers me even more.
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@Lunatic
What's an easier assumption to make that may exist in a 11 person game ?
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@Mikal
He wants to confirm himself Noob town Scumcred
Confirming himself via lynching, yes. As town deathproof, you are better off letting mafia waste a night kill. I was a saulus in the last game I played, so I started out scum, but even I knew if I was going to claim lynchproof I should wait until day phase 2 to do it, to make it seem like I was baiting the night kill. And that is exactly what I did, and that's also why everyone thought I was town. I played the lynchproof claim the RIGHT way, whereas pie isn't. Pie isn't an idiot, either, so he's definitely not going to die to this. He's more likely judas, 1x lynchproof, or jester. In every case I believe a lynch is justified, there simply is no reason for him to have claimed dp1 if he was town.
Would scum have a lp or dp? I doubt it.
They definitely wouldn't have a deathproof, but I can certainly see 1x lynchproof. Why would you doubt that?
He's not fake claiming as scum because he would have to be willing to die. Why would he sac himself first dp in the first few pages with no reads or roles?
Again, you are discounting a plethora of roles IE Judas/saulus/hunter etc. If any of those roles, he has incentive to be lynched.
So his role is probably accurate
Doubtful, you can't find a good enough reason for him to have claimed dp1 if so.
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@Lunatic
Re : what role solves this without wasting 2dps?