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@BearMan
3 mafia+Skitz+Intel
Intel would be mafia lol. So at worse it’s 4.
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Leaving a recruiter makes the entire game onesided.
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@oromagi
I am thinking 32 in DP1 + 1 in NP
Also possible for him to be the sole scum DP1 and be able to recruit 2 people in total. He could also be a TP recruiter - haven’t seen em since DDO days but possible with Bullish
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@BearMan
Leaving a recruiter makes the entire game onesided.
Not really if it’s a 1x or 2x ability
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@BearMan
My theory is that none of them are mafia, and Intel had an honest mistake.
If Intel made an honest mistake then he would have said, oh shit I guess skitz is VANILLA now. Instead, he says that when he mimicked RB, the target kept his power (which is quite OP) and that his PM specifically told him that but he forgot to mention it and he instead posted a wiki entry that contradicts that such an OP is an option but failed to notice (and we know Intel reads his PM and wikis with care, unlike some)
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@ILikePie5
Is it not obvious to you?
I mean I am the one who pointed it out.
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@Lunatic
I mean I am the one who pointed it out.
Do you need me to say unequivocally that it’s possible both are town?
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@oromagi
Well I could see how that role honestly would work when it comes to my role
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@Vader
10.03.20 02:34PM
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Well I could see how that role honestly would work when it comes to my role
What role do you mean and are you claiming your role?
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@MisterChris
This is what changed. He gave us a headroom of 4 vanillas. Plus, the more I think about it, the less Warren claiming vanilla as scum makes sense... I'm maintaining suspicion on Warren, but he is nearer to null territory rn for me.
Yeah but you also said "Well, even though Pie was wrong that "no one can be vanilla," the mod has said that there must very few non-power roles." Very few =/= 4/11? Think it is likely that there is 4 vanillas in a rolemad game?
Problem is, Pie only asked Bullish to clarify only AFTER I pressured Pie on it quite a bit.Was he expecting push back, or was he going to ask Bullish for clarification anyway and decided to delay for more town cred?Neither of those make much sense. Warren was inactive for a while, and it seemed to me like Pie was entirely willing to lynch him within that time. He had no reservations about it at all, which seems like unnecessary risk for the scum team. I mean, who was to say everyone wouldn't just go along with it before Warren got back? I probably would've if it weren't for the fact I'm vanilla.
The wagon built rather quickly, I myself was shocked about that after catching up. But if pie was bussing, it's likely he wasn't expecting him to get to L-1 as fast as that. Bussing always has it's risks. Also remember ragnar was going to bus him dp2 of naruto mafia.
Plus, if they were scum team, why not have Warren claim something not so scummy? Something obviously fitting the rolemadness. I mean, Bullish said he would be hinting as to which roles were available for the scum team to claim... Pie is smart, so why would he take that risk?The only other possibility was that since Warren hadn't read the day phases, he simply false claimed something random without really thinking about it too hard because he was worried, and Pie just bussed him from there. From my limited experience with Warren, doesn't seem like something he would do.
Vanilla is always an easy claim, but the whole point of the bus would be to set it up for bullish to answer the way he did. I think it's likely they already talked to bullish and knew what his answer about what rolemad meant was. Because I think rolemad doesn't automatically imply a vanilla doesn't exist, and I think they were banking on bullishs answer to look like town cred for him. You were an en-expected factor that complicated their plan a bit, but even with bullishes answer there should still be some suspicion about the fact that there is more than one vanilla, and pie dropped you both to a null rather easily. It would make more sense for him to still be slightly suspicious of the two of you, even if bullishes answer lightened the read. But he can't really make a convincing case for you without also implicating warren. It makes more sense if he was scum with one of the vanillas that he would dismiss them so easily.
I find it odd, yes. That is part of the reason that, even though a Pie/Warren team doesn't make much sense to me, I think it is worth maintaining some suspicion on Warren.Of course, it could just be a genuine town read for him. If Pie is 50/50 scum or town power role, Warren could certainly make the case for town Pie based on nuances in behavior.
It's extra suspicious simply because warren didn't have a reason to town read pie, but convienently did after bullishes answer. It so seems like a distancing attempt to solidify warren.
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@ILikePie5
Do you need me to say unequivocally that it’s possible both are town?
Too late for that, you needed to acknowledge that before you decided to exclude it from the option that makes it look like you are vying for 2 mislynches.
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@oromagi
No you're probably right. Intel is claiming he did the visiting and no watch/tracks claims are out there so he's more likely to be telling the truth there. Also, if skitz was telling the truth about RB DP1, he would be the most appetizing candidate for recruitmentUNVOTEVTL Intel
What about the np0 stuff? you think the game started with just one 2x recruiter or something?
So I'm going to claim now because I feel it is beneficial. I am Planned Obsolesce. I am a Suicidal JOAT. My abilities of JOAT are Dreamer and Watcher. However, once I use all my JOAT abilities, I will die the next NP unless saved by a doctor. If I am saved by a doctor, I will get one of these roles back in the NP. I will then die in the following NP4. I did check with Bullish, and my results can be manipulated
Last night I used my Dreamer ability and it said one of the 3 is scum. Oromagi, Pie, or warren. I plan tonight to use my watcher ability. On this list, neither skittlez or Intelligence appeared. I am not suggesting they are not mafia, but I am also saying it isn't possible. I think it's beneficial to leave these two to see if this role works out.
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@oromagi
Above
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@Lunatic
Idk
And yes I know I probably should've shared this information earlier and I will take heat for not doing that, but I did not feel comfortable making that claim so early on in the game with what I knew and what little evidence I saw overall
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@Vader
I am also a JOAT. I don't consider this a CC however, because my JOAT complement his as opposites. I am only claiming because it will look bad if I don't. I have a result that is not particularly useful for determining anything.
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@Lunatic
But if pie was bussing, it's likely he wasn't expecting him to get to L-1 as fast as that.
Huh? If I was bussing him why would it matter how fast the occurred?
It would make more sense for him to still be slightly suspicious of the two of you, even if bullishes answer lightened the read.
I never said they were town in my eyes. You’re FOSing me for adjusting my view after Bullish’s response and the link to Meme’s Mafia where he has more than one vanilla?
Let me ask you this. At this moment are both me and Warren scum, am I the only scum, or is Warren the only scum?
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@Vader
Last night I used my Dreamer ability and it said one of the 3 is scum. Oromagi, Pie, or warren.
This is very helpful information. I think a pie lynch & subsequent warren lynch if that does not work?
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@Lunatic
Too late for that, you needed to acknowledge that before you decided to exclude it from the option that makes it look like you are vying for 2 mislynches.
Maybe you need to reread my posts again.
Supa is like town confirmed to me based on his claim. And if we are going off the dreamer results, I think we should lynch pie or warren because oro seems pretty pro town.
Pie needs to claim immediately.
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
Let me ask you this. At this moment are both me and Warren scum, am I the only scum, or is Warren the only scum?
Looks like my gut was right. Either Pie or Warren is scum. It can't be both
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@MisterChris
I was thinking that as well, but I wasn't sure in general.
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
@warren42
Pie needs to claim immediately.
I agree. VTL ILikePie5
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@warren42
didn't mean to tag you.
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@Lunatic
Supa is like town confirmed to me based on his claim. And if we are going off the dreamer results, I think we should lynch pie or warren because oro seems pretty pro town.Pie needs to claim immediately.
I soft claimed DP1 and my role is confirmable tomorrow. I’m not going to out my role today.
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@ILikePie5
Huh? If I was bussing him why would it matter how fast the occurred?
It doesn't really matter, supas result basically confirms that my pie/warren theory is wrong I think. But the logic was: You weren't expecting him to be lynched, because you knew that bullishes would vidicate him.
I never said they were town in my eyes. You’re FOSing me for adjusting my view after Bullish’s response and the link to Meme’s Mafia where he has more than one vanilla?Let me ask you this. At this moment are both me and Warren scum, am I the only scum, or is Warren the only scum?
Supas result suggests that one or the other is scum, but a minute ago it was both you and warren in my opinion.
I believe supas claim and if Lunatic's theory of 1 scum NP0 is correct than Pie must be scum because Warren/that1 was not likely doing anything NP0.
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@Lunatic
Yea I think you are town as well if you say it's opposite. I know I don't have any saving roles in general, and I thought that was peculiar as well
With that in mind, I am willing to vote off Pie as well. VTL Pie