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@BearMan
I know what he is saying, thank you for clarifying it. The guy who banned me said he's glad I was banned.
Now, why was I banned?
Your silence speaks for itself.
What is it he said that was true and significant?
P1: I was quite literally banned over pure lies
P3: 90% of the evidence they hint at or try to drag me through the mud with when called out on proof was prior to this Tabula Rasa
P6: I did not ever do 'targetted harassment' ... There are three examples given and the most severe one that remotely was something I should regret and do
P7: doesn't feel harassed by me
I think it's clear at this point that the mods have already said all they're going to say on this subject.
I've seen this line of reasoning a few times for various crimes... Harassment is defined by the actions, not just if it's successful in causing harm.
If a person is handling themselves well enough I think in certain situations it's best to just let it defuse on it's own.
If a person is feeling harassed you can just direct them to the blocking feature
Harassment is defined by the actions, not just if it's successful in causing harm.
If a person is handling themselves well enough I think in certain situations it's best to just let it defuse on it's own.Most of the time that works. Sadly, sometimes people are not handling themselves well enough without intervention. Even then, usually a very minor intervention curbs the troublesome behavior.
If a person is feeling harassed you can just direct them to the blocking featureEspecially when combined with a request to cease and desist, if everyone abided by such common courtesy, we might not need moderators. Sadly that doesn't always work. Some users outright respond to such with increased efforts directed to the person whom clearly expressed disinterest in continued contact. Hence why there even needs to be a rule in the CoC, when basic human decency should be enough.
Harassment is entirely defined by how harassed the victims feel.
I obeyed every rule and they invented wrongdoing to justify a ban.
If a person is handling themselves well enough I think in certain situations it's best to just let it defuse on it's own.Most of the time that works. Sadly, sometimes people are not handling themselves well enough without intervention. Even then, usually a very minor intervention curbs the troublesome behavior.You mean in the case where one party reports the other? What about the case where no reports are made?
If a person is feeling harassed you can just direct them to the blocking featureEspecially when combined with a request to cease and desist, if everyone abided by such common courtesy, we might not need moderators. Sadly that doesn't always work. Some users outright respond to such with increased efforts directed to the person whom clearly expressed disinterest in continued contact. Hence why there even needs to be a rule in the CoC, when basic human decency should be enough.The person can, ya know, continue to not respond to the other party lol.
How does it help to not accuse malice where there is malice? Should I assume them to be incompetent and stupid instead of malicious?
In cases without any reports filed, we are very unlikely to see it. Of course as seen with callout threads, if I happen to spot one, I'm not going to wait for someone else to file a report.
That does not always work to dissuade the obsessed.
You have a series of false accusations
So step up to to the plate, if you are not the RationalMadman who authored those posts, who was?
In cases without any reports filed, we are very unlikely to see it. Of course as seen with callout threads, if I happen to spot one, I'm not going to wait for someone else to file a report.Unlikely to see it or not, why intervene at all if both users are handling themselves just fine?
That does not always work to dissuade the obsessed.So? The "victim" or the person blocking doesn't have to read or care about anything the other person says.
Specifically in the case of callout threads, to try to prevent the forums turning into a toxic cesspit. Granted, I can outright admit not all callout threads are equally bad. Similarly, just because two members are not getting along, even if reports are filed, does not guarantee moderation intervention (the vast majority of "reports have been handled" on posts, did not yield even a PM to anyone).
I don't know if you've ever had a stalker before, but just ignoring someone being deranged toward you, spreading rumors of you commiting crimes, etc., is in some cases a very sub-optimum solution. While perhaps not rewarding the abuser, it does very little to dissuade them from continuing toward you and/or seeking more victims.To use another thing moderation steps in against: We ban spambots and delete their posts. While user could likewise just ignore the spam, the occasional clicks generated by their links could encourage the spammers to up their efforts here, and flood us... I suspect people come here because there is moderation intervention when necessary.I've done a lot to loosen the rules. You can joke, you can be impolite. However, there are still lines that that can be crossed.
Specifically in the case of callout threads, to try to prevent the forums turning into a toxic cesspit. Granted, I can outright admit not all callout threads are equally bad. Similarly, just because two members are not getting along, even if reports are filed, does not guarantee moderation intervention (the vast majority of "reports have been handled" on posts, did not yield even a PM to anyone).But in the case of that live mafia thread? We had that one handled lol
I don't know if you've ever had a stalker before, but just ignoring someone being deranged toward you, spreading rumors of you commiting crimes, etc., is in some cases a very sub-optimum solution. While perhaps not rewarding the abuser, it does very little to dissuade them from continuing toward you and/or seeking more victims.To use another thing moderation steps in against: We ban spambots and delete their posts. While user could likewise just ignore the spam, the occasional clicks generated by their links could encourage the spammers to up their efforts here, and flood us... I suspect people come here because there is moderation intervention when necessary.I've done a lot to loosen the rules. You can joke, you can be impolite. However, there are still lines that that can be crossed.Stalking? Stalking on a website seems interesting. I mean if the person is doxing and using personal information that's one thing, but if they are just participating in the same threads and you don't like that, you can say it's stalking. If someone is spamming that's one thing, and doxing another thing.
I am just suggesting taking a lighter perception of moderation on certain issues.
That thread was not a case of some minor blow-up shortly followed by people self-correcting. Moderation was requested multiple times by multiple people. Heck, the worst of it outright had to be deleted. Honestly, the whole thing would have been deleted, if not for RM's repeated denials of having posted anything in there (it's apparently "invented" "pure lies" designed to slander him... which you implying his presence there with such word choice as "we," means you're part of said conspiracy).
Stalking from Merriam-Webster "broadly : a crime of engaging in a course of conduct directed at a person that serves no legitimate purpose and seriously alarms, annoys, or intimidates that person"While online differs a little, I believe the word still fairly applies. A user should be able to start a thread on Topic C, without some obsessed [pick your stalker synonym] barging in to harass them about in Topic A weeks or months ago, they were impolite to the [pick your stalker synonym], and in short order begin accusing them of stealing money.