BAMF Mafia - Day Phase 1

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wifom.  Dudz had just made the SLJ connection so a couple of iconic SLJ quotes seemed appropriate.  
Wifom on your side to. I'm saying you prempting further argument that you hinted being jules like 3 times instead of just 1 doesn't look any better for you thats all. Also as far as WIFOM goes your voting me because I claimed a cartoon lol.


So... you think I might be SCUM who breadcrumbed both Jules and Nick Fury (probably SLJ's two biggest roles) as fake claims in the sixth post of the game? 
You could have planned the nick fury one sure though that one is the biggest stretch out of the three possibilities. I think its more likely you changed it to that after piecing together that it was likely good guys vs bad guys based on current claims. The rest of your poem serves no purpose and is kind of out there otherwise.
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I haven't dropped good guy vs. bad guy or badass vs non-badass.

All 3 splits seem possible at least.

Yet your conviently gonna vote based on one of the theories directly after I point out your scummy bread crumb. 
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Yet your conviently gonna vote based on one of the theories directly after I point out your scummy bread crumb. 

I am not voting on theme split, esp. since nobody else has claim animated and the choices don't look all that apt.

I am voting on your behaviour. 

You asked for character claim.  
I told you that would be anti-town.
You insisted.
I gave you character claim.
Now you want role claim.
I told you that would be anti-town.
You insisted.
That makes you much more likely to be scum.
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You suggested the ideal situation would be for this information to come out dp2 post flip though, so obviously a flaw in the logic if we used it dp1 to lynch scum lol.
Huh? How is that a flaw in logic if it's used to catch scum DP1...because my whole point is that it's used to catch scum period.

Post 35 and 37 heavily imply that you are shaming him for his not knowing (basically calling him dumb), right after you suggested it was scummy of him not to know the theme in post 22 lol. 
Post 35: "Bruh why are you just gonna reveal it like that"
Post 37: ":| literally the whole point is that only town knows so it's obvious that you don't just say it"

Please tell me Lunatic, where did I call Supa dumb, and where did I tell him that he's wrong for not knowing? These posts EXPLICITLY show that I was telling Supa that he shouldn't have REVEALED the theme.

Post 22: "Welp I guess Supa is scum lol"

This was after I told him to look up the character and he still didn't get the theme, at which point it's perfectly reasonable to suspect him.

If you are speling it out for him that way, do you think mafia is also too dumb to not figure it out? I guess in some apeball scenario where croc and skittlez are scum maybe that makes sense...
I already told you that this is a scenario in which it's SLJ vs. non-SLJ. If I didn't have an SLJ character then I never would've figured it out.

Which means you were originally saying you thought it would be ideal to lynch someone before they could claim which makes even less sense if your town. lol
No, the whole point is that town would not reveal the theme even if someone claims...if they do then welp

Don't know what you you mean with the lazy part, but I find it ironic that you town read oro for being knowledgable, and oro thinks you town read him for being bad at scum.
Lol I seriously doubt that Oro actually thinks I town read him because I think he's bad at being scum (I don't btw). I'm like 98% sure that was a joke.

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I've been thinking here and let's assume were both town for a second. Shouldn't we just mass full claim, starting with me you and speed and Danielle? I'll even go first since I'm like 75% sure mafia can figure out what I am anyway. This isnt a large game and mafia have some decent POE already with having the cop out and a vanilla to narrow down from. Why don't we just turn the POE in towns favor since croc fvcked us? I think the order should go me, you, speed, Danielle to cross off the vets with the best chance of coming up with something really good then we go down the list for the rest of the more noobier town, going supa and mharman and whoever else I'm missing.
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Additionally, your gameplay is so disruptively combative that even if you are TOWN there's some utility to your quick disposal.

Additionally, I have asked you to help pressure Danielle for lurking and you have ignored.


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I have two calls until around 4 EST so if you're pinging me you know why I'm not responding
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->@oromagi
I've been thinking here and let's assume were both town for a second. Shouldn't we just mass full claim, starting with me you and speed and Danielle? I'll even go first since I'm like 75% sure mafia can figure out what I am anyway. This isnt a large game and mafia have some decent POE already with having the cop out and a vanilla to narrow down from. Why don't we just turn the POE in towns favor since croc fvcked us? I think the order should go me, you, speed, Danielle to cross off the vets with the best chance of coming up with something really good then we go down the list for the rest of the more noobier town, going supa and mharman and whoever else I'm missing.
... and now you are asking for a mass role claim without even bothering to start with character claims.

So, that's 4 good reasons to lynch you.

  • Persisting in demanding ROLE claim in DP1 even after being told anti-town
  • Ignoring inactives
  • picking fights
  • requesting mass ROLE claim DP1 before we've even gotten characters.  Its as if you aren't even interested in theme because, as SCUM, the theme split is already obvious to you.


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I am not voting on theme split, esp. since nobody else has claim animated and the choices don't look all that apt.

I am voting on your behaviour. 

You asked for character claim.  
I told you that would be anti-town.
You insisted.
I gave you character claim.
Now you want role claim.
I told you that would be anti-town.
You insisted.
That makes you much more likely to be scum.

None of this makes sense why I would be scum. I admitted your claim if scum was big brained, if I was scum I should have backed off and unvoted immediately. The fact that I still suspect you is townie af, but of course I would say that if scum so trying to convince you would be redudant. 

Additionally, your gameplay is so disruptively combative that even if you are TOWN there's some utility to your quick disposal.
Combative, because I have questions about your suspicious poem and bother to point out the flaws with it? You seem to dismiss everything I say or do as combative, or "looking for fights" which you even pre-empted when I had barely mentioned I was suspicious of you lol. Also did you already forget naruto mafia where I was equally dismissed as being aggressive? I was town there bro. 

Additionally, I have asked you to help pressure Danielle for lurking and you have ignored.
Danielle will get on and participate or she will be replaced. We have 24 hours left of the day phase, I am not wasting any more of it waiting around for her. I did that yesterday during the little free time I had.
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... and now you are asking for a mass role claim without even bothering to start with character claims.
You just ignored all the context of the reason I bothered asking for full claims. This dismissive omgus-y-ness is so defensive from you. I think I will just force your hand here.

I am Frozone from the incredibles, and I am a jailkeeper. Now town has two power roles out, a cop and a protective role. I am changing my polite request for your full claim into a demand that you claim, justified by the fact that town's two biggest power roles are already out now. We will start with you then speed, then danielle. Then we can decide who first between mharman and supa.

Oromagi full claim now.
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I already knew Lunatic was Frozone (duh) and figured he was roleblocker. He claimed Jailkeeper as roleblocker during live mafia. I think that's another reason that he's scum

And before someone says "yoU sAId yoU hAd a cALL" the first one ended a few minutes ago and the next is at 3 est
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Huh? How is that a flaw in logic if it's used to catch scum DP1...because my whole point is that it's used to catch scum period.
Because you said that the information was best out in DP2, meaning you were suggesting lynching someone without getting a claim from them which makes no sense.

Please tell me Lunatic, where did I call Supa dumb, and where did I tell him that he's wrong for not knowing? These posts EXPLICITLY show that I was telling Supa that he shouldn't have REVEALED the theme.
Those posts are the evidence of you implying he was dumb by shaming him lol. You trying to spin it as not shaming him is silly when you are literally saying you are in the same sentence lol.

This was after I told him to look up the character and he still didn't get the theme, at which point it's perfectly reasonable to suspect him.
Except you dropped your suspicion on him even after spoon feeding the information to him, which should have made you more suspicious of him. The fact that you are still defending the idea that not knowing the theme = scum shows that you should still think it was a scum tell. The point is, that initial "supa is scum" post was contrived af to show off that you had information that others didn't as a hope to town tell yourself. Common scum tell, reminds me of how I caught bearman in naruto when he wouldn't directly admit he did something scummy lol.

No, the whole point is that town would not reveal the theme even if someone claims...if they do then welp
Then welp? So it's just a bruh moment? Then why are you still defending the initial idea that using the information would have helped you catch scum at some point? lol

Lol I seriously doubt that Oro actually thinks I town read him because I think he's bad at being scum (I don't btw). I'm like 98% sure that was a joke.
Regardless it's still ironic the two people I scum read are heavily OMGUSing, especially after one of them ranted on me for "OMGUSing" in naruto mafia recently lol. 
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I already knew Lunatic was Frozone (duh) and figured he was roleblocker. He claimed Jailkeeper as roleblocker during live mafia. I think that's another reason that he's scum

The fact that it was obvious I was Frozone is why I am claiming btw. If you or any competent player is scum you would have figured that one out already. 

BTW when I claiemd jallkeeper in that liev mafia game, it was a huge risk that shouldn't have worked out for multiple reasons, and I fully expected to lose that game from the gambit. It was a miracle of god I wasn't counterclaimed, and the watcher results on max were dismissed. But to dismiss the possibility that there is a protective role entirely because of that instance is pretty ridiculous. I welcome any potential counter claims. 

And before someone says "yoU sAId yoU hAd a cALL" the first one ended a few minutes ago and the next is at 3 est
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Oro needs to full claim. He has convienently dis-appeared.
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I already knew Lunatic was Frozone (duh) and figured he was roleblocker. He claimed Jailkeeper as roleblocker during live mafia. I think that's another reason that he's scum

And before someone says "yoU sAId yoU hAd a cALL" the first one ended a few minutes ago and the next is at 3 est

" it's fairly common for Mafia to claim to be a Jailkeeper when they're actually a Roleblocker; this is hard to disprove without a Role Cop and makes the role sound more townsided."
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Because you said that the information was best out in DP2, meaning you were suggesting lynching someone without getting a claim from them which makes no sense.
Just because it's best out DP2 doesn't mean it *will* be out DP2, one, and two, I literally already said that depends on town not revealing the theme bruh

Those posts are the evidence of you implying he was dumb by shaming him lol. You trying to spin it as not shaming him is silly when you are literally saying you are in the same sentence lol.
And you have yet to show where I shamed him for not knowing the theme :|

Except you dropped your suspicion on him even after spoon feeding the information to him, which should have made you more suspicious of him. The fact that you are still defending the idea that not knowing the theme = scum shows that you should still think it was a scum tell. The point is, that initial "supa is scum" post was contrived af to show off that you had information that others didn't as a hope to town tell yourself. Common scum tell, reminds me of how I caught bearman in naruto when he wouldn't directly admit he did something scummy lol.
I should have been more suspicious of him for making a mistake that I would've made had I not researched my character? That's literally anti-town to scum read him while knowing that it probably was a mistake from personal experience. And why would I try to "show off" that when I had already revealed that info in an earlier post? Like what?

Then welp? So it's just a bruh moment? Then why are you still defending the initial idea that using the information would have helped you catch scum at some point? lol
If it doesn't work then it doesn't work, it's not a guaranteed method.

Regardless it's still ironic the two people I scum read are heavily OMGUSing, especially after one of them ranted on me for "OMGUSing" in naruto mafia recently lol. 
OMGUSing is voting someone simply because they voted you. That's not what is happening right now

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The fact that you are instantly dismissing me is scummy af btw lol. I can easily prove my role (but that isn't ideal for mafia), lynching me would be better for them. Save them from having to night kill the jailer, which subsequently looks bad for you and oro. Tsk tsk speed, gonna have to try harder than that. The win/win here is that even if by some miracle you can mislynch me, if town is competent past day phase 1 and looks into the Versus interactions here, you are likely to be looked into pretty closely unless you got some rock solid fake claim.
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Full claim.
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I'm watch Da Bears and it's half time right now. I will reread and respond

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BTW when I claiemd jallkeeper in that liev mafia game, it was a huge risk that shouldn't have worked out for multiple reasons, and I fully expected to lose that game from the gambit. It was a miracle of god I wasn't counterclaimed, and the watcher results on max were dismissed. But to dismiss the possibility that there is a protective role entirely because of that instance is pretty ridiculous. I welcome any potential counter claims. 
Doesn't mean you wouldn't try it again with pressure on you.

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The fact that you are instantly dismissing me is scummy af btw lol. I can easily prove my role (but that isn't ideal for mafia), lynching me would be better for them. Save them from having to night kill the jailer, which subsequently looks bad for you and oro. Tsk tsk speed, gonna have to try harder than that. The win/win here is that even if by some miracle you can mislynch me, if town is competent past day phase 1 and looks into the Versus interactions here, you are likely to be looked into pretty closely unless you got some rock solid fake claim.
Instantly? One, I scum read you before you claimed and two, you can't prove your claim at all.
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" it's fairly common for Mafia to claim to be a Jailkeeper when they're actually a Roleblocker; this is hard to disprove without a Role Cop and makes the role sound more townsided."
+1
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Just because it's best out DP2 doesn't mean it *will* be out DP2, one, and two, I literally already said that depends on town not revealing the theme bruh
Okay "bruh" so you pretended to make a big deal about something you admit was likely to happen, why did you contrive this information like it was suspicious then? lol.

And you have yet to show where I shamed him for not knowing the theme :|
Literally those two posts, 35 and 37 lol. Just because you acknowledged them doesn't change what they were lol.

I should have been more suspicious of him for making a mistake that I would've made had I not researched my character? That's literally anti-town to scum read him while knowing that it probably was a mistake from personal experience. And why would I try to "show off" that when I had already revealed that info in an earlier post? Like what?
YOU ARE LITERALLY STILL HERE AND DEFENDING THAT MAFIA NOT KNOWING THE THEME = SCUM. So yes by your OWN standards, you should scum read supa, unless your initial motive was again contrived to make you look like you had information that should make you look town lol.

If it doesn't work then it doesn't work, it's not a guaranteed method.
So then are you finally admitting that acting surprised by his reaction was ridiculous? If so then why are you defending your initial reaction so hard?!

OMGUSing is voting someone simply because they voted you. That's not what is happening right now
Feel free to explain your read at any point then lol. BTW it's also not what happened in Naruto mafia lol. 
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But how do you know mafia doesn't know the theme? 
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TUF's claim is at least watchable.  His demeanor, while anti-town, is not necessarily indicative.  His demands for ROLES is profoundly scummy and should be ignored by TOWN.

However, I am not adverse to more, even mass character claims, particularly since TUF seems to want to skip them.
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Doesn't mean you wouldn't try it again with pressure on you.
Two omgus votes isn't significant pressure to scare me. I was planning on claiming as soon as I noticed oro's suspicious poem. It's why I said I may not be patient enough to wait for him to reveal it, since waiting game him plenty of time to craft that "Funky" third claim from the poem. I was gonna out myself earlier to force his hand into claiming since both major town power roles would have been out, and we need to flip the POE in towns favor.
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They know it now lol. Back then I thought that it was SLJ vs non-SLJ, in which case they wouldn't have known.
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But how do you know mafia doesn't know the theme? 
+1 lol Finally someone else says it, speed over here driving me crazy that he isn't getting it.
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If you thought Oro was Nick Fury, you didn't think for one second that he might possibly have a power role?