Why Do Evangelicals Follow Trump?

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That is most definitely NOT what Trump said.  And he would never "protect a victim".  He would be taking cover, not helping others (even as a regular citizen).  That is just who he is (self-interest first).

He did prison reform so this point is meaningless.
Your analogy is not apples to apples, therefore it doesn't make any  sense.  We were talking about his comment on "shooting someone on 5th Ave."  You suggested you would support him if he was "saving a victim".  Prison reform is a PASSIVE act where his life isn't threatened.  Saving someone on the street from a shooter is an ACTIVE act where his life would be in danger.  MY POINT therefore stands.  Trump would take cover and hide.
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Fighting the subpoenas was merely a stall tactic.  Our laws about subpoenas were ALREADY in place.  He can try to change the laws, but he should be an example and follow them.  Clinton did.  Nixon did. 

Both Clinton and Nixon got their day in court.

Why is Trump so special he is beneath the law and should not also have his day in court?
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Prison reform is a PASSIVE act.


Alice Johnson disagrees.
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I don't think that is true. 

Then you need to read history.
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Each person has their own moral code.

Well said.

????  Can't tell if you are being serious or sarcastic.   Thanks?
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Not sarcastic.
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Fighting the subpoenas was merely a stall tactic.  Our laws about subpoenas were ALREADY in place.  He can try to change the laws, but he should be an example and follow them.  Clinton did.  Nixon did. 

Both Clinton and Nixon got their day in court.

Why is Trump so special he is beneath the law and should not also have his day in court?
Clinton and Nixon were subpoenaed.  They had their "day in court" because they showed up to the Congressional Hearings.  Trump did not, and still will not, show up to testify in any court.  The Supreme Court has recently ruled that he does not have immunity.
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Then I thank you very sweetly.  :)
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Clinton and Nixon were subpoenaed.  They had their "day in court" because they showed up to the Congressional Hearings.  Trump did not, and still will not, show up to testify in any court.  The Supreme Court has recently ruled that he does not have immunity.

This is incorrect. Both Clinton and Nixon had a ruling from the Court before they showed up at the Congressional hearing. Trump has gotten no such ruling.

I get that you think Trump is evil and you wish harm upon Trump, but we are a nation of laws and due process, not mob justice just because you feel like it.

Going to Court and getting a ruling is justice enshrined in our bill of rights, not a "stall tactic"
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Prison reform is a PASSIVE act.


Alice Johnson disagrees.

Passive act  ---  as it concerns endangering his life.
Alice Johnson  ---  that was a wonderful thing he did!  But it did not involve endangering his life to do it.  In fact, there was MUCH "good-publicity" in it for himself.  It was hardly a selfless act, such as physically saving a "victim" on 5th Ave.
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This is incorrect. Both Clinton and Nixon had a ruling from the Court before they showed up at the Congressional hearing. Trump has gotten no such ruling.

I get that you think Trump is evil and you wish harm upon Trump, but we are a nation of laws and due process, not mob justice just because you feel like it.

Going to Court and getting a ruling is justice enshrined in our bill of rights, not a "stall tactic"

Seriously?  I don't think Trump is "evil" at all.  I certainly don't wish any harm to befall him.  I think that Trump's actions are in violation of our Rule of Law government.  I think he would prefer to be a King or a President For Life.  :)  I merely want to KEEP our Rule of Law.  I want our branches to be equal and not led by people who follow Trump blindly, when they are supposed to rule equally (Executively, Judicially, Congressionally).  I really, truly believe he may very well destroy our democracy.  But I do not hate him.  I don't even dislike him.  I just dislike him for the presidency. 
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I don't think that is true. 

Then you need to read history.
My best friend was a history major.  Although . . . I have to admit . . .  I fell asleep a whole lot in my history class.  :)
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Then let him have his day in court.
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Then let him have his day in court.
If he shows up . . . .
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 I just dislike him for the presidency. 

Then vote for Joe Biden, because he certainly is not going to be impeached any time soon.
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Then vote for Joe Biden, because he certainly is not going to be impeached any time soon.
Don't like him all that well either.  He was like, my 5th choice.  I'm an Independent politically.  I like many of his policies, but he seems a bit "milquetoast"  to me.  I wish he had 1/10th the charisma that Trump displays.   But he is, at least, quite literate. 
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You would have wanted to snuff her life out for what you call compassion. I hate your compassion. It disgusts me. It makes me want to vomit - because it is not really compassion - it is cruel and evil and on the same level as the original rape. In fact it is probably worse - because it is being couched in words of niceness. 
I absolutely would not have wanted to snuff  out her life!  My compassion disgusts you?   I would never say something like that to you.  Your arguments are your own.  And I respect your right to have them.  I'm glad things are black and white in your world, because they aren't in mine!  I struggle every day to seek the truth and to see clearly.

As for  your friend.  I admire her for what she has been through and how she has handled it.  But are you saying your friend had her rapist's baby?  Because my 13 yr. old friend got pregnant as well  -- by her father.  She was taken away from her parents and put in foster care.  She was in her first month of pregnancy.   Again, I'm glad it is all so easy for you.   It most certainly isn't for me.  I met her long after she had her abortion, but I certainly DID NOT JUDGE her or shame her for her decision.

Let's get this straight seeing you misunderstood me.  A raped B and conceived C. My friend is C.  C has a wonderful relationship with B. And not only that C has now started a relationship with A. And now A and B are on talking terms and are both supporting C. I thought you were suggesting that C should be snuffed out because of your views. I found that thought repulsive and made me want to vomit. If that is not what you meant - I apologize. I was mistaken.  For the record this is not a black and white world - and I dont pretend that it is. But murder is murder. And abortion is murder, except  the foetuses are deemed subhuman. I call that the essence of fascism and the heart of Nazism. 


Absolutely a savvy businessman.  8 bankruptcies demonstrate the truth of that.  Anyone can lose money  - in fact most do. Not many can regain their wealth. Real Wealth people don't love money. They can lose all of their money and not care too much about it. This is why they succeed. Because unlike socialists - they see money as a tool, not as an end in itself. 
Trump built an ALL GOLD penthouse and showcased it everywhere.  He cares about wealth because he cares about the way he looks to others.  In fact, that is all he cares about.  He wants power because he keeps trying to prove to himself that he is worthwhile. 

"See?", he says to the world.  "I am rich.  I am somebody".   Still, he feels worthless.  "See?", he says to the world again.  "I am President!  Surely, I am someone now?"
I don't think you understand Trump nor the wealthy at all. You seem to be coming from a very middle class -position. 

So he constantly has to re-double his efforts to make sure no one can see through the cracks of his facade.  He makes Wharton (University of Penn.) destroy his academic records and threatens to sue them if his grades ever get out.  He refuses to turn over his taxes and fights every court ruling (and the Constitution) to keep them away from the People.  Like a desperate drowning man, he is terrified they might see his fraud, both his financial facade AND his self-esteem facade. 

His ego becomes his driving force.  And there is little room for America in this obsession.  He will do absolutely anything to win --- to lose would mean his identity has been shattered.  He is on a constant mission to prove to himself, via the adoration of his mobs, that he really is a "somebody". 
So obviously, you believe the fake media and cannot tell the difference.  Try watching complete speeches by Trump and not the cut and paste hatchet jobs.  


With great respect - you do know you have just contradicted yourself? LOL! If Trump got a whole lot of money from mummy and daddy, so what? After all, even as you just said, he bankrupted himself 8 times.  Saying his family has bailed him out - is not an inheritance.  They are not going to bail him out - unless there is something in it for them.  
Um . . no contradiction.  They bailed him out because he was FAMILY and they didn't want the Trump name to be besmirched.  Trump was ALWAYS trying to win the approval of his father.  And he failed time and time again (bankruptcies).  His father paid for every blunder because he was embarrassed, not because there was anything in it for him (other than saving the Trump family name from further humiliation). 
You want that to be the case - but it is not the case.  The Trump Family are not that close -and if you are right about them and their greedy ways - they would not care two hoots about reputation.  People either care about their greed or they care about their reputation.  You can't care about both if you want either. 


Socialism is a dirty word. IT is a word of hate and evil.  It has never been partial because it removes and destroys the rights of the people.
Again, wow!  You do realize that every time Trump bails out some big conglomerate with taxpayer money   ---  THAT IS SOCIALISM.  Every time you put on your  seat-belt  -- that is a form of socialism too.    When the government allowed Trump to declare bankruptcy and not pay his debts, THAT WAS SOCIALISM!  Building roads is socialism.  Our fabulous  country is beautifully capitalistic and also partially socialistic. 
I never said Trump was not a socialist. He uses Keynesian economics all the time. He is an advocate of big government.  But please don't mix up socialism with paying taxes. Please don't mix socialism up with law that protect human life. Capitalism and Small government advocates believe in tax and they believe in laws that protect life. The opposite of socialism is not anarchy. And Anarchy and capitalism are not the same things at all.  Capitalists build roads - America is a mixed society I concede - but socialism is still an evil and a dirty word. It leads to slavery - and to the elite ruling - such as the swamp in Washington. They think they know best and that everyone else can either join them or be canceled. 


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I don't think you understand Trump nor the wealthy at all. You seem to be coming from a very middle class -position. 
I'm sorry.  Is there something wrong with the middle class? 

I've known many multi- millionaires, but I admit, no billionaires.  However, the very rich I did encounter, seemed laid back and very comfortable with themselves, as if they had nothing to prove.  This does NOT describe Trump.  And these qualities did not seem to extend to their trust-fund children.  They seemed to have an air of entitlement without accomplishment about themselves.  Trump has this sense of entitlement.  But most importantly he acts as if he has EVERYTHING to prove.  Trump seems like a walking temper-tantrum sometimes.  But that is just me.  I know Biden has some serious drawbacks as well. 

So obviously, you believe the fake media and cannot tell the difference.  Try watching complete speeches by Trump and not the cut and paste hatchet jobs.  
Sure I can tell the difference.  Fox news is "the fake media".  :)  I'm just teasing.  I do watch Trump's speeches   ---  almost all of them.  I even watched every night of the RNC!

You want that to be the case - but it is not the case.  The Trump Family are not that close -and if you are right about them and their greedy ways - they would not care two hoots about reputation.  People either care about their greed or they care about their reputation.  You can't care about both if you want either. 
Are you kidding?  The greedier they are, the more their rep. is EVERYTHING.  Greedy people need to put on their "best face" while "schmoozing" and convincing people to invest or donate or host a charity.  The more money you have, the more you are in the public eye.  Image is everything because it can make or break you.    And when I said Trump's dad helped him because he was FAMILY.  I meant that Trump's father couldn't allow himself to become a laughingstock because of his son's incompetence.  So he bailed him out of one jam after another.

but socialism is still an evil and a dirty word. It leads to slavery - and to the elite ruling - such as the swamp in Washington. They think they know best and that everyone else can either join them or be canceled. 
The Swamp exists because of big companies with agenda's.  They donate large amounts to campaigns in order to obligate the politicians.  Only the "elite" can even afford to run for office.  They use a combination of their own money, wealthy donor money, PAC money and individual company money.   MONEY, and the accompanying obligations, are what runs our government.  If that isn't Capitalism, I don't know what is.    Yes, Socialism CAN BE a dirty word, but only if it is a complete socialistic state (complete with a dictator or President For Life <grin>).  Russia and China come to mind. 

I just like to consider all sides.  I honestly do.  But I can tell you this:  there is more corruption in the White House now than has ever been before (just ask Maryanne Trump <one more grin>).
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a lot of it is actually Israel
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Let’s get one thing straight. The Democratic Party is the Party of the elite. If you don’t believe me all you had to do was watch their convention. Hollywood liberals, Basketball Players, Singers. Compare that to the RNC where everyday Americans spoke at the stage. If you want to support the elite, that’s perfectly fine with me, but don’t go on a tangent about how Trump horrible for the middle class.
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I am actually afraid to echo my thoughts on my college campus for the fear of repurcussions. Democrats are the ones that want to silence me, not Trump.
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a lot of it is actually Israel
You may have something there . . .
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Let’s get one thing straight. The Democratic Party is the Party of the elite. If you don’t believe me all you had to do was watch their convention. Hollywood liberals, Basketball Players, Singers. Compare that to the RNC where everyday Americans spoke at the stage. If you want to support the elite, that’s perfectly fine with me, but don’t go on a tangent about how Trump horrible for the middle class.
Okay.  I know that Politics on DART is a mostly conservative group.  I honestly expected to encounter more moderates or even liberals.  But the Democrats ARE NOT THE PARTY OF THE ELITE.  Just ask Trump himself.  The dems are the bleeding hearts, the ones who want to help even the criminals, etc., etc.,   And if you did think the DNC was NOT about everyday people, well then you didn't watch it.  I watched every night of BOTH.  They both showcased everyday people.  As for the Hollywood actors, they are very liberal precisely because they live and act in Hollywood, California.  They support democrats because most of them are not racist in any way; most of them are not overly religious either.  And btw, Trump made it so billionaires and their companies pay 0 in taxes.  The middle class frequently vote AGAINST their best interests sometimes. 
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I am actually afraid to echo my thoughts on my college campus for the fear of repurcussions. Democrats are the ones that want to silence me, not Trump.
No one wants to silence you.  They may disagree with you.  But dems believe in Freedom of Speech and they rarely call any news outlet "fake news".  I am an Independent.  Always have been.  But of course Trump doesn't want to silence you --- you support him and his policies.
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But the Democrats ARE NOT THE PARTY OF THE ELITE.
Yup. Nancy Pelosi eats 7 dollar ice cream. Nancy Pelosi breaks local ordinances and goes to a hair salon to get her hair done. They’re the party of the elites. Rules for thee but not for me
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No one wants to silence you.  They may disagree with you.  But dems believe in Freedom of Speech and they rarely call any news outlet "fake news".  I am an Independent.  Always have been.  But of course Trump doesn't want to silence you --- you support him and his policies.
Then you my friend need to come to my college and see the hate we face. Free speech my a**
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Please.  Nancy Pelosi is just ONE democrat with a great high paying job.  Both Republicans and Democrats have people in government with high paying jobs.  And btw, it was $13 a pint ice cream in a freezer packed with ice cream.  Okay, I cannot afford it, but I don't have her job either.  I also cannot afford to buy ties like Trump's for my friends and family.

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Please.  Nancy Pelosi is just ONE democrat with a great high paying job.  Both Republicans and Democrats have people in government with high paying jobs.  And btw, it was $13 a pint ice cream in a freezer packed with ice cream.  Okay, I cannot afford it, but I don't have her job either.  I also cannot afford to buy ties like Trump's for my friends and family.
Working class people are rapidly supporting Donald Trump. The base of the Democratic Party lies on the West  Coast and Northeast. They are no longer the party of the working class no matter how much they claim to be. Trump doesn’t go on flexing his ties. Pelosi actively does and breaks her own rules that she advocates for.
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Funny how the Democrats believe that the they are the party of the working people when their base lies in elitist strongholds, who think the people are uneducated morons
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There is a viral video out exposing a maskless Pelosi fleeing a Salon that was supposed to be under lockdown.