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@sadolite
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@WaterPhoenix
Prove I am a threat
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@sadolite
Covid 19 has an incubation time period of 2 weeks. In that time, not wearing a mask, you could affect 10's of people who could then affect 10's of other people, severely ailing them or even killing them. You are a threat. You don't know if you have covid or not so wear the damn face mask. You should also wear it so you don't get covid and die. The reason the pandemic is spreading the most in America is because of selfish, incompetent, and exceedingly ignorant idiots like you who think just cause you're fine means that someone else's grandma hasn't fucking died.
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@sadolite
..."Yes another moral superiority argument"...
Well duhh, if one person has no moral integrity and another has some moral integrity, then yes, one is more superior that the other in regards.
This is plain ole common sense sadolite. You do have access common sense dont you? Maybe not. I dunno.
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@WaterPhoenix
What, you are saying that incubation period is a thing that exists? Sounds like suedo [sic] science to me.
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@sadolite
@HistoryBuff
.."this isn't that complicated. "...
It is for people who have ego based mental blockages to rational, logical common sense truth. and that is social distancing and masks.
No one knows if they are infected or not --not to mention asmytomatic people-- ergo, the only safe pathway forward is social distancing and maskes.
Both have proven efficacy history. Ego is their problem, and quite frankly is most of the problem of why we have 8 billion people on Earth using using systems that do not have a good effacy history in regards to the ecological environment that sustains us all.
Seriously ego will be the end of humankind within 1000 years, is my best guess.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Must be a hoax.
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@WaterPhoenix
Or a communist conspiracy to topple the government and establish martial law.
By uh, wearing masks.
Don't think too hard and you won't notice how silly I sound.
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@HistoryBuff
so from your WHO link
There are some infected people who are “truly asymptomatic,” she said, but countries that are doing detailed contact tracing are “not finding secondary transmission onward” from those cases. “It’s very rare,” she said.“The WHO created confusion yesterday when it reported that asymptomatic patients rarely spread the disease,” an email from the Harvard Global Health Institute said Tuesday. “All of the best evidence suggests that people without symptoms can and do readily spread SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19.
where is this best evidence?
it could be that they still expel infectious droplets through singing, yelling, or even talking
it could be not
the WHO has also received data from member countries that “suggests that asymptomatically-infected individuals are much less likely to transmit the virus than those who develop symptoms,”
love the words, suggests, much less likely, real hard evidence right there.
your other link
We must therefore acknowledge the possibility that some of the proportions of asymptomatic persons are lower than reported.
the like to use the word suggest....often
the annals link is very long, if you think there's something concrete in that quote it, I'm not going to read and study the whole thing.
so the use of cloth face coverings is particularly important in settings where people are close to each other or where social distancing is difficult to maintain.
distancing > face coverings
Although wearing a mask can potentially help prevent the spread of infection, it should be considered an add-on, not a replacement, for physical distancing and hand hygiene. Staying away from others and vigilant hand-washing are truly the pillars of prevention, and have been proven to be effective in ‘flattening the curve” and decreasing the flow of people to our hospitals.
so we want people arrested for not wearing masks, but rioting, looting and protesting in large groups is ok, any idea why people think this is all b.s.? Can you see it from their point of view by removing the leftist blinders?
here's the problem
if there's factual information, not opinion to refute things like this, I haven't seen it yet.
bottom line is no one really knows much, especially to force citizens to wear masks.
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@ebuc
"It is always better to err on the side of caution" Translation: To obfuscate all personal responsibility for the untold human suffering you are about to cause.
i would generally wear one about
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@sadolite
...""It is always better to err on the side of caution" Translation: To obfuscate all personal responsibility for the untold human suffering you are about to cause."...
Huh, you've lost me here. Maybe it is your ego trying to obfuscate/convolute what, 'is not that complicated'.
Unless their exists an ego placing mental blockages to rational, logical common sense use of social distancing and mask, that, have repeated shown/proven efficacy.
I like messages #97 and #98 above. "hoax" and "must be a communist plot". In my younger days we had a saying for like you and others, get real already
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@Death23
there are still pending lawsuits, but let's assume you are correct and they can make such an order or law, it's not really enforceable on the general public, business it is, but not private citizens out in public it would seem.
some addition info
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@sadolite
To obfuscate all personal responsibility for the untold human suffering you are about to cause.
holy shit, this one sentence actually makes me lose braincells. How is it you know the meaning of "obfuscate" but don't understand to wear a mask so you don't transmit a deadly disease and don't get it either? I truly, honestly, do not know what civil rights the government is suppressing by telling you to wear a mask.
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@WaterPhoenix
The use of personal attacks and character assassination. This is the most commonly used tool in debate and discussion. The reason it is used is to dismiss the adversary thus implying anything they say is not viable and should be rejected without cause or consideration. The weakest and most intellectually bankrupt form of response or argument.
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@sadolite
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Maybe it's just because I'm angry at you...? Like, I'm not this fired up for most topics, but when it concerns people's lives and wellbeing, I feel I'm justified to tell you that you're and idiot.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Your source is not credible. I provided you with an opinion of a federal judge. Your source is self described as "IT engineer, husband, dad, friend, carpenter, author (maybe one day), avid outdoor enthusiast..." www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii
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@Death23
I have a medical condition
prove me wrong
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@WaterPhoenix
Don't worry about these guys. Natural selection will weed em out ;)
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Looks like you got nothin'
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Right, they cant violate ADA law.
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@Death23
ok guess it went over your head
cop: why aren't you wearing a mask
mask-less citizen: I have a medical condition
cop: ok have a nice day.
cop: why aren't you wearing a mask
mask-less citizen: I have a medical condition
cop: what condition is that?
mask-less citizen: HiPAA, my right to privacy, 5th amendment says I don't have to tell you.
cop: ok have a nice day.
there is no way to enforce or implement such a law.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
Your source was some guy on youtube. When confronted with your source's credibility problem you did not address it, but instead changed the subject from the constitutionality of the COVID-19 restrictions to the practical problems with their enforcement. Should I be disappointed that you're arguing this poorly or was it my mistake to have any hope in the first place?
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@Death23
the constitutionality isn't finished afaik, appeals happen etc, but again, even if it is my point still stands, if you want to take a winning lap for an unenforceable law, feel free, pretty hollow win.
I don't think the issue is final or settled, temporary at best.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
So now you say it's unsettled law. What happened to this stuff:
Don't think that would pass the innocent until proven guilty and other rights, it would totally work in every other country but not the u.s. you don't balance rights like that, just privileges[...]I can wear what I want because it falls under freedom of speech, which includes NOT wearing something demanded by the government. My employer can have a dress code and if I choose to work for them I'm agreeing to follow their rules because I have the right to NOT work for them.
Btw, and from ACLU of Texas (i.e. constitutional law lawyers), not some guy on youtube:
Are stay-home and mask orders constitutional?
Likely, yes. Although there are pending lawsuits challenging certain provisions of stay-home orders, most courts have so far upheld their constitutionality when they are based on guidance from public health experts and not implemented in arbitrary or discriminatory ways.
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
So how do you enforce the exceptions to the mask law? Specifically, the exceptions that pay homage to ADA law?
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@Death23
key words
Likely
there are pending lawsuits challenging certain provisions of stay-home orders
most courts
have you watched the video of the doctor, think he is a surgeon explaining masks? he goes into sizes of virus and the size of particals masks block. With the WHO and Dr. Fauci saying healthy people did need masks etc (sure they changed their minds but still), I think there's plenty to challenge any mask laws, which imo is why there hasn't been any AND publicly announced no one will be arrested or fined.
If this was settled without a doubt, many cities would have implemented it by now. Again the fact they allowed the riots and looting negates any claim of how critical masks and social distancing is.
Oregon county issues face mask order that exempts nonwhite people
anyway state of Alaska exempted some state employees but I think you get the gist of all the exceptions making masks not that important, not enough to curtail rights. I mean how can you argue their importance based on all the times they weren't but if consistent should have been?
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@sadolite
You are a male karen
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@Crocodile
how does something so porous as a surgical mask or fabric block something so small as a virus?
can't I just pull up the front of my tee shirt, over my nose and mouth when needed?
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@TheDredPriateRoberts
it doesn't. It protects others from you.
The virus is asymptomatic sometimes. You're "pulling up your t shirt" does not do anything. A mask is specifically made to protect others from you.
And then a n-95 protects you from others and vice versa.