If i don't die i'll remove my vote next round.
I'm suggesting mafia is either bearman or RM
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@Crocodile
He's not saying your claim is fake. He's saying that you soft claiming was a horrible idea
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@RationalMadman
I don't think it's a "dire situation" or at all risky for somebody to claim that their character has a specific name if we have no reason to believe it if there's no actual risk of CC because although actual role claims always risk being CCed ... names can be just straight-up invented. It looks like a way to seem like you're doing something risky and wouldn't do unless you had a good reason to do it .... when really there's no such risk at all because there's no reason to believe it. How does revealing a name help Town? It doesn't. But how could it help scum? By giving the illusion of risking being CCed when really you clearly aren't if all you're revealing is a name that can just be made up.
For this reason I no longer read you as Town and am null on you because it seems like it would be a lot more Townie for you to recognize this. But it could be just that you are Town but you didn't recognize it, rather than you defending your scumbuddy's scummy action. But I absolutely see no non-scummy motivation for revealing just your character's name when doing so doesn't help Town and there's no evidence that you haven't just made the name up and aren't actually risking any CC at all.
For this reason I no longer read you as Town and am null on you because it seems like it would be a lot more Townie for you to recognize this. But it could be just that you are Town but you didn't recognize it, rather than you defending your scumbuddy's scummy action. But I absolutely see no non-scummy motivation for revealing just your character's name when doing so doesn't help Town and there's no evidence that you haven't just made the name up and aren't actually risking any CC at all.
VTL: Chrocodile
For reasons explained above Chrocodile is definitely my top scum read.
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@Crocodile
Why did you soft claim when there was virtually no pressure on you to claim?
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@oromagi
My issue is that he soft claimed without being pressured to
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@Vader
See, if someone CC'ed me, then I would know they would be mafia. But clearly that strategy failed
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@simplybeourselves
I'd be weary to lead a vote ATM. He is a good choice to scum, but if there is reasnability to what he says, I think he could be a idiot townie, but I don't think that's the case
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@Crocodile
That doesn't explain to me why you would soft claim a main character, who more likely than not a power because you didn't reveal a role.
And hypothetically, if you are town and scum is pressured to claim, why would a scum claim that role if it was claimed already
It's not that I have a problem with the role, I have a problem with the logic behind the soft claim which leads me to believe you are scum
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@RationalMadman
How on earth is such a character 'guaranteed to be a cop' or something like that when such a 'character' merely consisting of revealing a name without a role, when revealing a name by itself doesn't help Town in any way, and is risking nothing when such a name could be just made up? I don't see how you could really have such a blindspot as to think that revealing a name of a character, without revealing a role at all, suggests a cop or Townie at all in any way, if I am understanding this correctly. And because I don't think that you could really have such a blindspot you are my second scumread second highest to Chrocodile, now. (As, I see his motivations and only purely scummy and it seems very unlikely that you could have such a blindspot as this but it's at least possible. And although Chrocodile could have revealed his name as Town for no good reason whatsover I think it's unlikely as such motives can only really be *rationally* explained by him being scum. And your jumping to his action as Town when all he's done is reveal a name which, like I said, doesn't help Town and could easily be invented with no risk of CC at all).
He's not risking a counter-claim by merely revealing a name that could be completely made up ... so it risks nothing .... so I don't get why he would do that unless he's scum or why you would be so insistent on defending him unless you're his scumbuddy.
He's not risking a counter-claim by merely revealing a name that could be completely made up ... so it risks nothing .... so I don't get why he would do that unless he's scum or why you would be so insistent on defending him unless you're his scumbuddy.
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@BearMan
--> @CrocodileIf I was mafia, why would I defend non-mafia?
because if mafia only defended other mafia it would rapidly become apparent who was mafia. Acting as if you were town is essential to mafia survival.
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@Vader
I think he could be a idiot townie,
I was an idiot when I soft claimed. Are you still suggesting that i fake claimed?
Pie said there was no fake claims
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@Crocodile
If you are town, you are being idiot townie by soft claiming a character with no pressure whatsoever
I am not saying you fake claimed per say, but are masking your true role. You could be fake claiming, we still have Warren and LittleCookie who are yet to post
I am not saying you fake claimed per say, but are masking your true role. You could be fake claiming, we still have Warren and LittleCookie who are yet to post
It's one thing to claim as Miller (I got Miller and Mason mixed up) .... but that so many are insisting on cllaiming on day one is quite odd to me.
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@Crocodile
That doesn't mean you can't make one up. He said he's not giving fake claims. Doesn't mean you can't make it up
Characters "in the show"? What show?
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@simplybeourselves
13 Reasons Why. This is what the mafia is themed off of. S4 of show to be exact
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@Crocodile
You can't be CCed if you are just scum inventing a name.
That doesn't mean you can't make one up. He said he's not giving fake claims. Doesn't mean you can't make it up
True. But the chances that Cookie and Warren are Ani are extremely little.
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@simplybeourselves
Ohhhh. You thought there was no theme.
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@Crocodile
There is always a possibility
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@Vader
If they don't show up, then the only possibility is that I am Ani.
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@Crocodile
How is that true? If they die in the night and they turn as Ani, then you lied and you are scum. Just because they go AWOL doesn't mean that guarantees you that character.
Like I said, you probably are Ani, but that's doesn't mean you are town
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@oromagi
Yes but I only defended those that were proven to be non-mafia later on.
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@simplybeourselves
Thanks for your pointless essay, I have been here active and contributing and you soend your entire effort to whine at me for pinting out the blatant fact that Ani can't be scumsided.
Anyone who votes crocodile is scum or dumb (or both even because smart scum wouldn't vote confirmed town).
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@simplybeourselves
It's one thing to claim as Miller (I got Miller and Mason mixed up) .... but that so many are insisting on cllaiming on day one is quite odd to me.
Most folks should not be claiming DP1, therefore town should not expect claims except under specific circumstances.
Town should read a couple of mafia wikis regarding your role- many include some advice about playing that role. There are a few roles where it makes sense to jump out right at the start. MILLER happens to be one of these.
I'd say that it would be typical of town to agree to bring out character claims in DP2 and then most or all roleclaims DP3 but circumstances always dictate.
As I've said before, the value of claiming is to try to verify yourself as town. That value is seriously diminished when there are inactives like warren and cookie because we don't know if they would contradict any claim. Therefore, I recommend that we focus on activity DP1. Scum is strongly motivated to make credible claims early and buy some town cred. The fewer players out there checking the validity of early claims, the stronger scum's advantage.
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@simplybeourselves
Crocodile tried to force me to out my character, why would he do that as my scumbuddy?
LOL I just thought '13 Reasons Why' was the name of this Mafia game. I had no idea it was a TV show. I'm not familar with any of these character names.
Okay, here comes my most important post in the game thus far. So if anybody reads any of my posts then read this one:
Okay, I take it that Ani is a character from the show. But I've played NUMEROUS themed Mafia games based on TV shows where the good guys on a show are the bad guys in the game and the bad guys in the show are the good guys in the game. Game mods are certainly capable of such mischief. So if Ani is a good guy in the show but one of the Mafia in the game then Ani has every intention in this game to soft claim his name only, and not his role, to look Town when he's actually scum. But if Ani really is Town ... why soft claim? Soft claims are generally scummier than hard games and it's for a reason. Namely, it's a way for scum to hide their role but it still paints a target on the back of a Townie. If you're Town you either want to hard claim or not claim at all .... or wait until later on in the game and hard claim at the right point. To me this kind of soft claim role reveal only has scum motivations.
But I also go from reading RationalMadman as very scummy, and most likely his scumbuddy, to just having a slight scum lean on him now. Because if Ani is an actual character in the show that is a good guy then I can understand why on the surface that it would make sense to think of them as Town .... but when you actually look at the fact that it is NOT guaranteed (there are few guarantees in Mafia) and that the motives for softclaiming as scum are stronger than doing it as Town .... then responding to such a softclaim with that this player claiming to be Ani is *GUARANTEED* to be Town rings serious alarmbells for me.
FInally, I haven't seen the show and didn't even know it was a show. I had no idea why this game was called 13 Reasons Why but I can work one thing out logically:
If Ani really is town then if Ani is an important good character in the show then they're more likely to have a stronger power role so it's even riskier to come out with your name. Whereas if Ani is just a minor good character in the show then it's less likely that they're in the actual game and thereby less likely to risk being CCed by the real Ani if Chroc is in fact scum and not actually called Ani. So, I just can't think of a Townie motivation for doing this but I can think of plenty of scum motivations as stated here in this post.
So this is my most important post in the game so far. I could always be wrong but if any post of mine in this game so far has contributed something sufficiently substantive so as to be helpful then I think it's this one.