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@PressF4Respect
But here's the thing: Why would you "guess" my character for me?
Because I figured it was obvious and was wondering if I was correct
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VTL Croc
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@Vader
If you are not scum wtf is that move? Seriously I am just as willing to lynch you as to lynch Oromagi, I genuinely think you're partners who were bussing each other. Why TF would you lead on Croc after we just established that he's confirmed town?
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@Crocodile
I explained my motives for voting soeed throughout, as soon as he was there to answer, I unvoted and also I think Oromagi is scum and defended a bandwagon in who he knew was town to frame me next and secure the win.
After first saying I scumread Oromagi, jit just nullread, he's merely called me agitated, pretended I have no reasoning and gone silent after I voted to lynch him.
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@RationalMadman
I think that Croc is making a fake claim here or was given a fake claim. I believe Pie gives fake claims out in his games and I believe he uses this here for no reason. Not to mention with the fake claim he gives is only a half claim with no role justification
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@RationalMadman
Hiding your role and character claiming only IMO is a scum move
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@Vader
The cast is barely big enough ti leave shch a main character as spare. How or why are you sure that he's given fake claims when he implied being against it so much so thag Danielle and Lunatic quit die to it pregame. This isn't unfair information to bring innthe game, I am questioning where in Earth you got the notion that he'd given fake claims despite him boldly refusing to so much so that when two quit due to it, he kept at it.
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@Vader
Wow, so you not only outed that he's aP when you returned before, you now arw trying to blackmail him to claim. This is so scumtelling that I don't even think you can be scum at this point (speaking in hyperbole). I don't know how to read you, except that I think you bussed Oromagi and suddenly unvote him when the lynch can become a reality.
A PR*
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@RationalMadman
I'm not telling him to claim. I'm saying half claiming is scummy.
Even if he didn't get a claim, he could have been guided into making that claim
Even if he didn't get a claim, he could have been guided into making that claim
I'm willing to lynch inactives
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@Speedrace
Now good night, I'll be back in when I wake up though
Whether you are town are scum it is comforting to me just to have somebody actually acknowledge the same base reality
I can't type on android im tired and hungry ill be back
Ani is seriously confirmed town, if you are Ani do not 'soft cc' it is never going to be believed later. You are the only player other than me (well Bearman and Speedrace indirectly agreed with me) that has admitted that characters in the show are linked to their in-game alignment.
I'll give up on trying to convince RM but will just remind the town that no character claim is exculpatory.
If we are playing Star Wars mafia and one player claims Obi Wan while another player claims Grand Moff Tarkin, there is no gameplay value to assuming that Moff is scum or Obi Wan is town because you don't know the theme division. Maybe the theme is rebels vs. empire and Obi Wan is town but maybe the theme is jedis vs. non-jedis and Obi Wan, Luke, and Darth Vader are the scum team. That's part of the fun of figuring out theme.
Now, it might be reasonable to expect that Obi Wan is more likely to be a power role than Moff although even that is not guaranteed.
Assuming that scum/town alignment can be discerned from character claim is a classic rookie mistake, please disregard RM's analysis in this regard.
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@oromagi
I am informing of this, and I'm telling him that Croc's role is probably a fake claim, but he is yet to listen
Oromagi is mafia and that's my solid read
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@WaterPhoenix
Hmmm, a lot of people seem to be agreeing with Rat's theme theory. Since the idea is out there we should make a chart to see if everyone's char relates with their role and are good guys.chart:1. ratman- says character relates with his role (is male)2. bearman- says character relates with his role3. supadudz- says character relates with role4. press- character relates with role5. wp- my character has to do with my role
That's not Ratman's theory tho. RM's saying that because character relates to role, alignment is verified by role.
Continuing the Star Wars mafia analogy, it would make sense that Boba Fett is a tracker but it would be a mistake to assume that Boba Fett can't be town based on character claim.
I have a justification that links my character to role but just because that character is one of good guys in the show, I wouldn't want town to blithely assume that I am therefore town.
I think that Croc is making a fake claim here or was given a fake claim. I believe Pie gives fake claims out in his games and I believe he uses this here for no reason. Not to mention with the fake claim he gives is only a half claim with no role justification
Really? Ani is a main character.
6. Oromagi
TOWN
8. Crocodile Ani Achola
1. Speedrace
3. User_2006
12. SimplyBeOurselves
7. BearMan
10. WaterPhoenix
5. SupaDudz
4. RationalMadman
AWOL
9. Warren
11. LittleCookie
SCUM
UVC
Speedrace (3/7) - User, Crocodile, Bear
Oro (1/7) - RM
LittleCookie (1/7) - Oromagi
Water (1/7) - Press
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@Vader
I am Ani. But, the problem with RM is that my claim seems more like a fake claim. I'm not faking though. But, why would he defend me?
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@Vader
@Crocodile
I think that Croc is making a fake claim here or was given a fake claim. I believe Pie gives fake claims out in his games and I believe he uses this here for no reason. Not to mention with the fake claim he gives is only a half claim with no role justificationReally? Ani is a main character.
...and importantly has not been cc'd. It would be very risky to fake claim Ani with only on other claim made since the liklihood of cc is very high. This is another reason to prioritize inactivity. We can't say with confidence that there is no counter claim until we have confidence that all of town is paying attention.
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6. Oromagi
TOWN
8. Crocodile Ani Achola
1. Speedrace
3. User_2006
12. SimplyBeOurselves
7. BearMan
10. WaterPhoenix
5. SupaDudz
4. RationalMadman
AWOL
9. Warren
11. LittleCookie
SCUM
UVC
Speedrace (3/7) - User, Crocodile, Bear
Oro (1/7) - RM
LittleCookie (1/7) - Oromagi
Water (1/7) - Press
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@oromagi
I unvoted speed btw
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@Vader
@oromagi
If mafia kills me, you know who scum is.
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@RationalMadman
@Vader
@oromagi
@Speedrace
Bearman's Quotes:
I'm not really sure. But I agree with Croc about User and Speed's relationship.
First, he agrees with me and Press about User's and Speed relationship. This makes him seem like noob town, right? He then copies PressF's reads (#76).
My town reads (not at all conclusive):BearManLean townRationalMadmanPressF4RespectCrocodilewaterphoenix------------------------NulloromagiSupaDudzwarren42LittleCookie08simplybeourselves------------------------Lean scumSpeedraceUser_2006
After that, he then agrees with RM to VTNL. (#199)
I haven't been on much. From what I'm hearing, I can deduce these things:Though SpeedRace has been inactive from what I've seen, this does not make him mafia.It also does not make WaterPhoenix mafia, for defending someone who is obviously not.I suggest we VTNL.V.T.N.L
He gives minimum reasons at best. This is probably to deflect further suspicion from himself.
Then he does a switcharoo and unvotes. He votes Speedrace after contributing nothing to the game. He hopped onto the bandwagon. EVERY SINGLE TIME. If you look at the vote counts, Bearman always voted for an option that had the most votes.
Vote Count:Speedrace (4/7) - User, RM, Crocodile, BearLittleCookie (1/7) - OromagiWater (1/7) - PressOro (1/7) - Supa
Bandwagon. And then RM does kind of a weird thing that does not match his personality at all (#257):
LOL! How can Ani be scum? Search her Wiki description and explain to me how she can be scumsided.
"LOL!". That just seems awfully off.
Dude wtf are you talking about? Literally what are you saying? How can Ani be scum, explain it. Why would Croc knowingly claim such a main character if she is scumsided? There's be no motive at all to claim her so early unless it was to confirm himself as town.
Again. I know this is attacking myself. But something seems off about his behavior.
After Bearman sees people linking roles and characters he just says this:
I've been reading a lot, even though I'm not contributing to the mafia game that much. It seems my character is linked also to my role.
Again, giving no useful information.
VTL BEARMAN
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@Crocodile
Do we have any reason to think that there is anybody called Ani?
There being no CC may be wrongly given as evidence for you telling the truth ... because you might just be lying about your name, no?
There being no CC may be wrongly given as evidence for you telling the truth ... because you might just be lying about your name, no?
And RationalMadman backing that up and saying it would be crazy unless there was a risk of a CC .... I find that suspicious. I am now reading you as scummy and no longer reading RationalMadman as town.
Also, I think that whilst full role claims can be townie .... I don't think this sort of thing where you don't reveal your role at all but claim to have a specific name .... I don't think that's Townie .... because it just looks like a way to seem Town with no risk of being CCed at all, while pretending like there's a risk, because we have no reason to think that anybody in the game actually has your name.
So, again, I repeat, do we have any actual reason to think that there's somebody called Ani in this game?
Also, I think that whilst full role claims can be townie .... I don't think this sort of thing where you don't reveal your role at all but claim to have a specific name .... I don't think that's Townie .... because it just looks like a way to seem Town with no risk of being CCed at all, while pretending like there's a risk, because we have no reason to think that anybody in the game actually has your name.
So, again, I repeat, do we have any actual reason to think that there's somebody called Ani in this game?
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@simplybeourselves
There's absolutely no reason, except for the fact that she's a main character. And I'm not revealing my role because of mafia killing me. Although I'm sure mafia knows what my role is already.
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@Crocodile
If I was mafia, why would I defend non-mafia?
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@oromagi
You are right about that, hence why I decided to remove my vote on Croc
You're suggesting RM is non-mafia.