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@Vaarka
But I also wanna keep an FOS on him because then I lose any reason to have an FOS on you and my gut says to keep an FOS on you
You can FOS me at some other time. There's really no reason to now. I think Budda, drafter and myself have put forth the most analysis. Plus I breadcrumbed so I can always refer everyone back to that if/when I have to claim. I assume I'll be dead tomorrow though tbh. 

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note that the 2 going after drafterman are both uncc'd likely-to-be-town characters; Sally  more so than Jane.

Selective application. Nolan is an uncc'd likely to be town character. Jane would be more likely town than Sally. Jane is a character that has far less skeletons in her closet and far less complicity in how fucked up the Rayburn family is. Sally is directly complicit, but ultimately acknowledged and tried to make amends for her part in it. 

in the people going after hammer, one is an unconfirmed innocent child and the other is a not at all outed individual who  has beeen shady and opportunistic all game from bwing me to bwing hammer.

Except if Dudz is credible because he is uncc'd likely to be town character and therefore town, I automatically am credible as well because not only does the same apply to my character but the previously established as credible dudz, said his PM directly mentions my claimed characrer. 

Then pointing out bw'ing as itself shady and opportunistic, ignores that townies bw all the time. Bw'ing is not itself scummy, it's bw'img inconsistently, irrationally and/or without reason. That's what makes it shady and opportunistic.

Pot meet kettle. Lord I would be scum reading him so hard if this wasn't par for the course with rational regardless of affiliation. 


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What do you think of Earth and Supa? I'd vote for GP today if we had no better options, but I think those two might be (especially Supa). Supa's behavior is weird/anti-town, but I can't tell if he's just generally a poor player. 
Earth hasn't done squat so he's just null. Supa early on was an FOS of mine, but don't want to lynch him yet b/c of his claim. Budda is right that it seems noob town and I know he doesn't have a ton of experience. 

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sally is much more likely to be cc'd than jane by town if I'm mafia
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@Danielle
But I also wanna keep an FOS on him because then I lose any reason to have an FOS on you and my gut says to keep an FOS on you
You can FOS me at some other time. There's really no reason to now. I think Budda, drafter and myself have put forth the most analysis. Plus I breadcrumbed so I can always refer everyone back to that if/when I have to claim. I assume I'll be dead tomorrow though tbh. 

You know the fact that you're not insulting me makes me think you're more towny than not ngl. I like this side of Dani

For those who don't get what I'm saying, last time I accused Dani of being scum, she was very aggressive and insulting about it. Turns out I was right ;3 - sorry for yeeting on that but I like that moment in our mafia history

Anyway, most of my FOS was me trying to see how you'd react to it. The drafter read was slight suspect but I normally wouldn't give a shit. I figured I'd use it to try and see how you'd respond. 
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Earth hasn't done squat so he's just null. Supa early on was an FOS of mine, but don't want to lynch him yet b/c of his claim. Budda is right that it seems noob town and I know he doesn't have a ton of experience. 
Fair enough. I agree, but I do think TUF likely gave 1 fake claim so I could see a noob being eager to "confirm" themselves with it. 

Do you think it's weird that you find Earth null but me as a scum read despite my activity/analysis? (I do.) Is there any part of my analysis that you disagree with? How about drafterman's? 
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anyway I've genuinely quit. I am never ever playing mafia with shithead bullies like danielle and buddamoose ever again.
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lunatic will replace me on d2 or i'll just post 0 content unless all agree to acknowledge me, I've notified him that I quit.
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sally is much more likely to be cc'd than jane by town if I'm mafia -RM
Also despite what everyone says about him, he's seen the show (I think). I'm willing to push a Supa lynch back regardless of what I say about theme. It's an outed character and we can gauge it with the characters that pop up in DP2. 

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Also danielle, your old record doesn't mean shit. On this site I'm the rank 1 debater as is and you have 0 wins, stop talking like you have proven intellect.
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I mean it in a practical sense in terms of generating enough votes. Everyone else I think is split among how people read them. I don't know of anyone that TR's Hammer

I think Danielle mentioned previously she thought he was town. Slipped my mind to ask, 

@Danielle- why the town vibe on Hammer? 



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Earth hasn't done squat so he's just null. Supa early on was an FOS of mine, but don't want to lynch him yet b/c of his claim. Budda is right that it seems noob town and I know he doesn't have a ton of experience. 
Fair enough. I agree, but I do think TUF likely gave 1 fake claim so I could see a noob being eager to "confirm" themselves with it. 
He likely has given them a fake claim. There's a chance he's being honest, or a chance he's mafia and used a fake claim (or his real claim idk). I'd rather lynch someone else

Do you think it's weird that you find Earth null but me as a scum read despite my activity/analysis? (I do.) Is there any part of my analysis that you disagree with? How about drafterman's? 

You probably didn't read my last post about you when you made this. Earth hasn't done much so I don't know what to do with him other than call him null. You've given some substance now and while I admit the drafter thing got me thinking a little, I was mostly just trying to get a reaction to figure out how I really read you
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Your debate record doesn't contribute to your mafia record
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lunatic will replace me on d2 or i'll just post 0 content unless all agree to acknowledge me, I've notified him that I quit.
tell ya what, once we've got some theme analysis to go off of (legit theme analysis, not "oh they're like this in the show so I bet they're good here"), I'll listen to your arguments

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it contributes to proven intellectual dominance, which danielle is severely lacking and talking big calling me so mentally defective she feels it woudl help town to treat em like I don't exist. The fucking bitch has no right to talk to me that way more than I have to tell her what a vile waste of internet memory she and her posts are.
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@Vaarka
you don't get it. I have established the four possible mafia characters. there's no way sally is more mafia than those 4 and no way there's more than 4 mafia.
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you don't get it. I have established the four possible mafia characters. there's no way sally is more mafia than those 4 and no way there's more than 4 mafia.
I've played games where the mafia were heroes (or at the very least weren't villains). Idk the show and we don't have a huge hint towards theme yet so I'm gonna push it until DP2 at the earliest

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Lord I would be scum reading him so hard if this wasn't par for the course with rational regardless of affiliation. 
Like I said, he seems genuinely dim regardless of Mafia. I honestly think he lacks reading comprehension (for instance, in addition to the whole John/Robert thing he said that I "scum slipped" by revealing Danny was not in the game. Meanwhile I only speculated that he MIGHT not be in the game, along with my reasoning: that Danny is TUF's profile pic. I have no idea if Danny is in the game or not).

It's funny because I always scored really high on literacy tests and wondered how the hell anyone could get less than like a 95% on reading comprehension. They literally ask you a question with the answer in the reading; you just have to go and find it. Now I see that some people just legitimately can't understand the text in front of them lol.

I do hope RM replaces out. I can't see how it's fun to play with someone who will be scum read 100% of the time regardless. It would be easy to exploit if he were actually scum, and his very presence in the game is a detriment to town. I'm also concerned that he thinks I'm "bullying" him. All I said is that everything he posts is wrong and should be ignored for the sake of the game. He probably is town despite horrible play. His vitriol toward me is a bit amusing if not concerning for his mental health. 

Have you chimed on with thoughts on GP yet? We have 30 mins to vote and I g2g soon. I'd prefer to lynch Supa or GP. 
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13 of his 15 wins are from forfeits. He literally has 2 non-forfeited debate wins.
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We've got an hour and a half btw, ends at 3 EST, 2 CST
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I think Danielle mentioned previously she thought he was town. Slipped my mind to ask, 

@Danielle- why the town vibe on Hammer? 
Nope, no town read on Hammer. I said my biggest suspects were Supa and GP with Earth being close in the running, and Hammer is probably 4th on my list. Earth's general lack of posting/analysis seems odd since he doesn't mind voting, but doesn't offer much. I also noted that GP and Earth (but also Hammer) have been careful with their posts - careful to the point of not having any potential "scum slips" or stepping on any toes. Hammer hasn't posted much but seemed a bit more aggressive than GP and Earth, at least early on. I definitely don't town read Hammer, but I see no reason to lynch him today. He's null. 
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Have you chimed on with thoughts on GP yet? We have 30 mins to vote and I g2g soon. I'd prefer to lynch Supa or GP. 

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GP: If you didn't have the no cc role claim, I'd put you as susp too

I do like the consistency in application I can see from this though. Not specifically in uncc'd role claim, but CC's in general. Earlier you mentioned that vanilla is not cc'able, ergo suspicious. 

I may disagree with me being uncc'd in my role claim makes me town. But your FoS on Supa actually is consistent with this if this is one of the primary factors your using thus far in gauging that determination. 

I'm gonna slide you into the lean town category. 

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 I definitely don't town read Hammer, but I see no reason to lynch him today. He's null

No compromise on lynching him as the only viable lynch target fmpov? As drafter is pointing out, literally nobody is TR'ing him. That's a fair amd compelling point imho. 
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2>0 and the forfeits are because I decimate the opponent's case.

Remind me how many of your wins are from forfeits.

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Nvm, Rational TR'd him because he didn't hammer Rational. But that ignores that hammering Rational that early would lead in all likelihood to Hammers lynch the next day. Mafia generally don't like hammering, it draws attention to them.
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danielle, rest assured that you are as vile a being in my eyes to the game as I am to you.
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So I guess we're lynching Hammer then? Doesn't seem like a GP lynch is gonna happen

VTL Hammer
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and the sheep go baa and the shepherds eat lamb.
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Just for the record I was EXTREMELY good at reading comprehension, many teachers were fascinated at me from a young age.
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notice how danielle had to ask drafterman what he meant by only viable lynch? I answered her immediately and was correct.