By the way guys, the last few pages of DP1 is an absolute gold mine for behaviour analysis.
Despite the extremely imbalanced game I think town has this one in the bag.
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@Bullish
In what way? What behavior do you see that could point us to scum? Also, if it's in the bag, then do you think you know who the mafia is? If so, who, and why?By the way guys, the last few pages of DP1 is an absolute gold mine for behaviour analysis.Despite the extremely imbalanced game I think town has this one in the bag.
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@Bullish
Why not? The only thing that has changed between this DP and the last one that could affect a read on me is Pie's mafia flip, which slightly decreases the odds I'm scum. This doesn't seem to be enough to stop trying to lynch me.I don't want to lynch Sir anymore
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@Lunatic
@drafterman
@warren42
@oromagi
I'm sure if you reread the last DP, starting slightly before where Pie started flailing hard, you'll quickly come to the conclusion that DD is scum.
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@Bullish
Maybe so, but what lead you to that conclusion?
I'm sure if you reread the last DP, starting slightly before where Pie started flailing hard, you'll quickly come to the conclusion that DD is scum.
Nah, I think it is pretty obvious pie got bussed. I can see how the mastermind genius known as DD being wrong about something may seem suspicious though so I will claim if enough of my town reads ask me to.
If yall are questioning whether I'm lying about bodyguard or not, consider this.
If I really am bodyguard, AND scum wanted to kill Supa/Single for a double bag, the best choice would have been to RB me and kill them. This is because they are now guarenteed to get 2 kills.
If they decided to gamble and shoot Supa or Single without RBing me, then there are 2 possible outcomes:
1. Only I die,
2. I die, one of Supa/Single dies, and the other one who is left alive is town confirmed.
Both of which are inferior to RBing me and killing Supa/Single.
I was also the only claimed PR with an active role.
Thus, you can't draw conclusions about the truthfulness of my claim from today's results.
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@SirAnonymous
It's late and frankly I don't feel I even need to explain. If any one of those 4 I pinged have reservations I'll convince them.
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@Bullish
No, we can't know for certain whether or not you're lying. However, the existence of an RB is purely speculative. Also, I have a question to ask Speed.
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@Bullish
By the way guys, the last few pages of DP1 is an absolute gold mine for behaviour analysis.
Can you give a few examples?
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@Speedrace
If a player was RBed, would he be told that he'd been RBed?
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@Bullish
do u have a POST#?
boo
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I took Bullish's advice and glanced over the end of DP1. What were the theories you were talking about in this post?
One of my two new theories actually has SA as hard scum for actual logical reasons and the other has him as a middling town read so it is pretty exasperating that I am being made to look like I am defending him when in reality I am not defending him, I am merely attacking the ridiculous premises that are currently being used to argue his alignment.
VTL Ragnar
Roleblocked bodyguard is not implausible considering that even if scum knew about speed misusing the bodyguard role they still would not know for a fact that Bullish would decide to target supa. If town he could have easily targeted singularity instead, that would screw them despite speeds incorrect use of the role.
Actually I imagine that in the scenario where bullish is town and came out and said he would protect one of the lovers there would likely be a discussion last NP about how the role relates to lovers and speeds version would have become known to scum in that way. Anyone coming into the DP already knowing that speeds unlikely mechanics are definitely what are being used looks more suspicious under this theory. Yeah, let's lynch lync ragnar guy.
After proofreading this post I think I explained my reasoning for wanting to kill Ragnar clearly enough but if anyone is less than 100% sure about my reasoning please please ask me to clarify and I will. If you understand but disagree that is fine but I want to make sure ppl at least understand... I know I don't always explain myself great.
VTL ragnar
Forgot to bold
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@Discipulus_Didicit
You claim that your character is uncommon, right? So we're probably not going to like it when you do claim. Does your character give away your role? Is your role worth keeping a secret?
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@SirAnonymous
I took Bullish's advice and glanced over the end of DP1. What were the theories you were talking about in this post?
The one that had you as hard scum was invalidated by pies unexpected (to me) guilty flip so no point wasting time talking about it.
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@oromagi
You claim that your character is uncommon, right?
I want to be very fucking clear on this. I said my role is uncommon. I did not say my character was uncommon.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
so... that's worse right?
- So we're probably not going to like it when you do claim?
- Does your character give away your role?
- Is your role worth keeping a secret?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Would your claiming have the potential to hurt town?
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@oromagi
I don't like that the rest of your post smells like role fishing to determine whether I am a power role that the mafia should worry about or not.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
So let me get this straight.
Pie was about to be written off as "mod confirmed town" and I, his teammate, instead of literally doing nothing and allowing him to be "mod confirmed" decided to fight tooth and nail to bus him.
That's your theory.
Pie was about to be written off as "mod confirmed town" and I, his teammate, instead of literally doing nothing and allowing him to be "mod confirmed" decided to fight tooth and nail to bus him.
That's your theory.
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@SirAnonymous
Would your claiming have the potential to hurt town?
Lesson three, my young Padawan. The above quoted question is very common and really kinda pointless. You will often see someone say something like "I do not want to claim because the scum will kill me". Put yourself in scums shoes for a moment... if you were scum and you saw such a post then what would you do? Yeah, you would kill that person. So did they actually protect their power role from NK by saying that? No they did not. Telling the town you have or do not have a powerful role is as good for the scum as claiming, at least as far as their hunt for powerful roles is concerned.
As scum I tend not to role fish myself because it seems rather pointless but that is a lesson for another day. Other people do role fish as scum so it is still valueable to look for the signs of role fishing to use as a potential scum read.
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@warren42
Omfg catch up first for the love of god it is only 2 pages. Just vote ragnar.
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@drafterman
@warren42
@Discipulus_Didicit
I don't like that the rest of your post smells like role fishing to determine whether I am a power role that the mafia should worry about or not.
Folks should note the shift in tone.
I'd be interested to know what warren & draft think now.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I didn't think about that.
Now that I think about it, I really doubt scum would claim bodyguard and then claim to have protected their NK. It would be the height of stupidity to do that. On the other hand, I really don't like how Ragnar voted without explanation and then said he knew who the mafia was without explanation. That just isn't like Ragnar. Unvote VTL Ragnar
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@oromagi
I don't know why you're concerned about "not liking his role" when he was quite forthright with the information D1. I feel like his role will obviously be weird but that's not indicative of affiliation?