Captain America: Civil War Mafia - DP2

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@Discipulus_Didicit
I am caught up, you said that in #96?

Why ragnar? He could've just been making assumptions about role mechanics, no?
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@warren42
I am caught up, you said that in #96?

I said that I would claim if enough of my town reads asked me to and I stand by that. Not sure about this 'shift in tone' oromagi is referring to.

Why ragnar? He could've just been making assumptions about role mechanics, no?

Since you are caught up you have already read posts 85 and 105, my two main posts for advocating ragnars lynch.

So basically I think bullish is town and since bullish announced publicly that he would target supa it is likely that mafia had a discussion about how bodyguard interacts with lover and thereby discovered speeds bastard version of said interaction. This means that the mafia are more likely to come into the DP already having this information, which ragnar did. I also outline the theory a bit more in the last lines of post 85 as you saw.

Besides, ragnar is always scum.
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Technically we can test the lunch proof claim, but any mislynch and it’s game over.
Last DP you had your vote on me. What has changed between now and then? If you were confident enough that I was scum last DP, why would you be afraid that I would be a mislynch? Why do you no longer think I'm scum?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
The "I'm caught up, you said that in #96 was referring to the bus theory. Since you had Oro and I as two of your three scum pile members I figured that meant you were still on the two of us specifically as the bussers.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
So regarding Ragnar you essentially think that he already knew how the bodyguard/lover interaction would work, that mafia had roleblocked bullish, and that Ragnar therefore knew that bullish hadn't worked as anticipated so he thought it easy to frame bullish and push a mislynch there?
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@warren42
That is a fair point too. I was just thinking bullish would be a natural mislynch target due to me tunneling him all DP 1. They had no reason not to expect that to continue.
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X.SupaDudz             LOVER (1of2)     Steve Rogers (not Captain America)
X.Singularity             LOVER (2of2)     Bucky Barnes
X.Greyparrot            SUICIDAL (NP4Helmut Zemo
X.WaterPhoenix       SUCIDE BOMB  Crossbones                        .
TOWN                   ROLE                  CLAIM
warren42               .                           .
Bullish                   Bodyguard          Falcon (not Sam Wilson)
drafterman             .                           .
Ragnar                  Hawkeye, Ant-Man,  or Scarlet Witch
Discipulus_Didicit  Uncommon         .
SirAnonymous      Lynchproof         Black Widow
SCUM                   ROLE                  CLAIM
Lunatic                  LYNCHER           T'Challa (and real role)
XILikePie5               ROLE COP         James Rupert Rhodes (role CC)

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SirAnonymous drafterman
Ragnar Discipulus_Didicit
Bullish - Ragnar, SirAnonymous
Discipulus_Didicit- oromagi, Bullish,


Not Voting:  warren42, Lunatic


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I missed ragnars claim, where was that? Or are those guesses for some reason
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@Discipulus_Didicit
As he was the competing wagon to scum I’m more inclined to think bullish is town. I think scum would come to the same conclusion and wouldn’t see them blindly attempting to push that again. The theory I proposed is plausible in my mind but not something I’d lynch off of. I’m going to bed but would like to look at how the wagons formed there and who was adamant against pie.

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@drafterman
I'm actually more convinced your town now then I was about DD after last DP. You were on pie esrly and til then end. His tells seemed obvious but DD was hesitant the whole time. I'm pledging my vote to you. Not going to be super active. I'm losing so i have no dog in this fight. Tag me when your ready for me to vote and I'll vote however you want.
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I’m very busy with RL right now.

I’m convinced on Bullish for what I said today, what I said yesterday, reviewing the mechanics.

Didi trying to cover for Bullish and push blame around today (to include massively misrepresentation of what people say), is why they’re my next scum pick. A single vote floating on a fellow townie potential scum isn’t dangerous, a scum seeing a vote floating on a fellow  scum is, and just look at Didi’s reaction.

and typing on the phone, forgot to bold earlier...

VTL Bullish

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@warren42
I soft claimed team cap yesterday. Look through the posts in my profile, any of the ones containing the dashboard have a direct link to each claim.
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A single vote floating on a fellow townie potential scum isn’t dangerous, a scum seeing a vote floating on a fellow  scum is, and just look at Didi’s reaction.

Is this guy seriously implying that I consider a single vote on bullish to be "dangerous"? After I spent 1k posts last DP imploring people to vote for him in the hopes of getting him lynched?

Come on town, if this doesn't look like someone stretching to find a reason to scum read someone then idk what would. Lynch this man.
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SirAnonymous drafterman
Bullish Ragnar
Discipulus_Didicit oromagi, Bullish
Ragnar SirAnonymous, Discipulus_Didicit

Not Voting: warren42, Lunatic

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@SirAnonymous
If a player was RBed, would he be told that he'd been RBed?
Yes
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@warren42

If a player was RBed, would he be told that he'd been RBed?
Yes
Bullish is lying. If he was roleblocked, he would have been told. However, when he started posting in the DP, he was claiming to have guarded Supa. If he was roleblocked, he would have known, but he didn't. Lynch this scum.
 Unvote VTL Bullish 

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Bullish is lying. If he was roleblocked, he would have been told. However, when he started posting in the DP, he was claiming to have guarded Supa. If he was roleblocked, he would have known, but he didn't. Lynch this scum

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Oh okay cool so I was right the first DP after all and you nerds had me doubting myself for nothing.

VTL bullish
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This explains why Pie and Bullish didn't vote for each other until page 35 (or whatever it was).
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SirAnonymous drafterman
Bullish Ragnar, SirAnonymous, Discipulus_Didicit
Discipulus_Didicit oromagi, Bullish

Not Voting: warren42, Lunatic

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@SirAnonymous
At this point I am at a loss for who might be number three honestly. I spent all DP 1 focused on trying to lynch bullish and all NP 1 stressing out over the fact that I was wrong about pie due to my tunneling of bullish (and tbh stressing out over being wrong about pie may have subconsciously been part of the reason my brain convinced me I was wrong about bullish) that I haven't paid enough attention to everyone else and the argument over whether to lynch pie or bullish last DP stretched the DP out so long that another reread at this point is not something I look forward to.
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Also I am sure this will come up in the endgame so, just going to say this now... This slip from bullish is not the mods fault. Bullish had all NP to ask the mod questions about how his fake claim (bodyguard) worked and he chose not to.

As town or scum the very first thing you should do after getting your role is ask any question you can think of regarding how that role works, since all mods are going to be different. Mod made you doc? Ask if you can self target. Mod made you bulletproof? Ask whether you will be notified if shot. Mod made you roleblocker? Ask whether your target knows they are roleblocked.

Same goes for if you are fake claiming. Plan on fake claiming bodyguard then telling town that the kill was unpreventable because bodyguards cant stop suicides? That it fine, that's how the role normally works, but if you know over 24 hours in advance that you are going to be in that position maybe just double check with the mod that they work it like that. Just in case. If they do no worries, if not well maybe consider using a different fake claim.

The mod isn't responsible for laying out every possible scenario in your role description. You are responsible for asking questions. That goes double for pre planned fake claims.
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Alright we finally have confirmed scum and just need two more votes. Come kill now.

I am thinking oromagi for 3rd scum based solely on POE. I would have been role confirmed this DP if WP didn't screw around but with a bit of luck I will be next DP.

Everyone has had a chance to say something this DP and nobody has volunteered any results so no need to drag it out any longer. Let's wrap this up and move on, people.
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My vote goes where drafters goes
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@Discipulus_Didicit
At this point I am at a loss for who might be number three honestly. I spent all DP 1 focused on trying to lynch bullish and all NP 1 stressing out over the fact that I was wrong about pie due to my tunneling of bullish (and tbh stressing out over being wrong about pie may have subconsciously been part of the reason my brain convinced me I was wrong about bullish) that I haven't paid enough attention to everyone else and the argument over whether to lynch pie or bullish last DP stretched the DP out so long that another reread at this point is not something I look forward to.
I don't know either, although I'm guessing Ragnar right now. I could be wrong about that, so I'll have to do some rereading.

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@SirAnonymous
I'll have to do some rereading.

I probably won't be doing any more of that but if you are then you are truly a brave soul and I offer this tip:

Looking for interactions between those we now know as scum and other players we aren't sure about can offer some obvious clues that we may have missed when we were unsure about both and obviously you already know it is good to look for either buddying or obviously faked controversy, however it can often be just as useful to note any lack of interactions between a known scum and another player. Scum will often subconsciously avoid eachother in the DP for fear that their interactions might give them away for the above mentioned reasons.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
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I need to catch up. I figured this would be cut and dried.

I can see a case against Bullish, DD even, but what's the case against Ragnar?

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@Lunatic
My vote goes where drafters goes
Hard to go wrong with that standard.
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How about lynching Bullish? We know for a fact that he lied.