Captain America: Civil War Mafia - DP2

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@SirAnonymous
Bullish claimed to be protecting Supa last night, but Supa still died and Bullish did not. 
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SirAnonymous drafterman
warren42 Discipulus_Didicit
Bullish - Ragnar

Not Voting: SirAnonymous, Ragnar, Bullish, warren42, oromagi, Lunatic

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@Barney
Why Disc?

Also, it's 5v2v1 right now. We can afford one mislynch, although we should be very careful to avoid one.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
My scum pile is warren oromagi and ragnar and warren just came in spouting a bunch of nonsense about mafia lynchproof so I'll go ahead and vtl warren for now.

Back to lurking.

re-read DP1#862 to #979.  Warren & I confronted Pie, became convinced Pie was scum, voted first & second on Pie and didn't waver for a whole day.  That would be some mighty deep scum shit and for what?  To kill mafia role cop DP1?  That's your working theory?
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Bullish claimed to be protecting Supa last night, but Supa still died and Bullish did not. 

Is that... Is that literally the only thing?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
He was putting Bullish near the bottom of his town-to-scum list at the end of DP1, so there has to be something more than that. However, he did ultimately vote for Pie. I don't know if this helps or not. I was just checking to see if he was being consistent with his read on Bullish last DP.
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@oromagi
re-read DP1#862 to #979.  Warren & I confronted Pie, became convinced Pie was scum, voted first & second on Pie and didn't waver for a whole day. 

Less than 300 posts does not make "a whole day" when the DP lasted for almost 50 pages.

I think I remember a post by drafter noting the sudden shift to pie and saying it looked like a bus. I noticed the same thing and thought it looked like scum trying to divert a lynch off of a teammate but obviously now that pie has flipped we know the bus theory is more plausible.
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Wait a minute. Since when does Ragnar vote without explanation and then say he's pretty sure who scum is without explanation?
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@SirAnonymous
Well I would have rather heard him explain himself so that his explanation could be used for behavior analysis but what you say does make sense.
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@SirAnonymous
Since when does Ragnar vote without explanation and then say he's pretty sure who scum is without explanation?

I don't recall ever playing with him off the top of my head though I am sure I must have at least once or twice. Time to do some research...
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Ack, I've done it again. I keep ruining it when other people are looking for behavior to analyze. I need to learn to be more patient. Anyway, I'll look back at DP1 tomorrow to see if I can find anything. I'll have to take a closer look at Ragnar.
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@drafterman
You saying all three are scum or two of those three are scum because three scum remaining would be absurd.

In this context "scum pile" refers to a pile of players that I do not have a town read on and therefore might be scum by POE.
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@SirAnonymous
Ack, I've done it again. I keep ruining it when other people are looking for behavior to analyze.

It is a mistake I have made myself many times back when I was a noob and got bitched at for a lot (rightfully so I now see in hindsight). General rule of thumb, don't answer questions that are directed at a specific player. Only answer non-directed questions and questions directed at you.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Makes sense. I'll have to remember that.
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@Speedrace
Since this has already come up a few times would a hypothetical bodyguard targeting supa last night have saved supa if supas death was hypothetically caused by singularity dying in the night as opposed to supa being hypothetically shot?

All hypothetical. No confirmation here.
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re-read DP1#862 to #979.  Warren & I confronted Pie, became convinced Pie was scum, voted first & second on Pie and didn't waver for a whole day. 

Less than 300 posts does not make "a whole day" when the DP lasted for almost 50 pages.
No but waiting a whole day makes it a whole day, not DP. I VTL'd Pie Thursday Morning 11am ET.  DP ended Friday evening.  Look at the timestamps


I think I remember a post by drafter noting the sudden shift to pie and saying it looked like a bus. I noticed the same thing and thought it looked like scum trying to divert a lynch off of a teammate but obviously now that pie has flipped we know the bus theory is more plausible.

VTL Discipulus_Didicit

do you have any claims to make?
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The trouble with Ragnar is that he's never been town, so there's nothing to compare his behavior to. He could behave in any way he pleased, and it would still be impossible to tell if it was his town play because we've never seen his town play.

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This game is so imba.

Imagine if Pie was town. We'd be sitting at 4-3-1 right now, TP decides the game.
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X.SupaDudz             LOVER (1of2)     Steve Rogers (not Captain America)
X.Singularity             LOVER (2of2)     Bucky Barnes
X.Greyparrot            SUICIDAL (NP4Helmut Zemo
X.WaterPhoenix       SUCIDE BOMB  Crossbones                        .
TOWN                   ROLE                  CLAIM
warren42               .                           .
Bullish                   Bodyguard          Falcon (not Sam Wilson)
drafterman             .                           .
Ragnar                  Hawkeye, Ant-Man, or Scarlet Witch
Discipulus_Didicit  Uncommon         .
SirAnonymous      Lynchproof         Black Widow
SCUM                   ROLE                  CLAIM
Lunatic                  LYNCHER           T'Challa (and real role)
X.ILikePie5               ROLE COP         James Rupert Rhodes (role CC)

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@Discipulus_Didicit
If Singularity had been NKd, and a bodyguard targeted Supa, the bodyguard and Singularity would be the ones to die
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@drafterman
1. Bullish needs to explain why he didn't guard Supa/Single
Obviously because scum decided to kill Single, or Water decided to kill Single for whatever reason.

I guarded Supa btw, exactly like I said I would.
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And yeah traditionally if one of the siblings is killed, the other technically commits suicide, which a doc/BG can't protect against.
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Oh ok nice speed for ninja invalidating me.
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idk I was probably RB'd then.
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If one has doubts about how a role works but wants to use the mechanics of said role as a part of their justification for a read on a player then they should ask the mod how they work the role before proceeding, the way I just did. I think Ragnar knows this. Current theory is scum strategized and decided to try a mislynch bullish today based on DD tunneling bullish all last DP and Ragnar is just borrowing words from other people to use in going with that plot.

VTL Ragnar the Red
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@Bullish
Obviously because scum decided to kill Single, or Water decided to kill Single for whatever reason.

I guarded Supa btw, exactly like I said I would.
No, you didn't. Look at what the mod just said.
If Singularity had been NKd, and a bodyguard targeted Supa, the bodyguard and Singularity would be the ones to die
If you had guarded Supa, you would be dead. You just got caught in a flat-out lie.
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@drafterman
I don't want to lynch Sir anymore I want to lynch DD.

VTL DD
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@Bullish
idk I was probably RB'd then.
That's possible. I didn't see that before I voted. However, I'll leave my vote where it is. You could have been RBed. However, that is conjecture.
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@Bullish
Why do you want a DD lynch?
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Oh shit post 80 to 84 happened while typing 85. This game does move fast at times.

VTL Bullish