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@Greyparrot

Mod said precisely that I will ATTEMPT to kill myself NP3.

I have no clue what that word "attempt" means, possibly there is a town out there that can prevent it.

or redirect it? Maybe town can turn your suicide attempt into a VIG.

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Okay so now to explain my read on Bullish as promised. I will keep it short and sweet though as many of you know I could go into excruciating detail if I wanted to, I have a bit of a rep for doing so when I am town and trying to explain a scum read.

Basically there are two possibilities, Bullish is either town or scum. I will go into detail regarding each possibility and explain why I find the former to be less likely.

Possibility One - Town Bullish comes in on post 61 and sees GP claimed a character that is an antagonist then votes for GP after thinking to himself "Yes, it makes sense that scum would claim their actual character under no pressure whatsoever and GP claimed an antagonist character so GP must be scum." This seems unlikely due to the fact that this line of thinking is retarded and Bullish is quite well known as a decent mafia player. Notice also how post 61 advocates for the DP to be as short as possible. Again, unlikely to come from someone known as a decent town player.

Possibility Two - Scum Bullish comes in and sees Supa having some doubts about GP. He sees this as an opportunity to cause a lynch on town GP without taking the heat of pushing for it himself by having Supa do it for him. He does this by simply going with some nonsense justification for why GP is town and voting for him. He is worried that if he leaves right away to avoid suspicion then the wagon may not catch on, however, so he instills a sense of urgency within the town by advocating that the lynch of GP happen as soon as possible. After this he leaves right away to avoid suspicion. This scenario makes sense to me because it seems like something I would do.

So anyway that is the short version of my explanation for my following action:

VTL Bullish

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@Discipulus_Didicit

From the wikipedia...

"Zemo attempts to commit suicide but is stopped by T'Challa and taken into custody by the authorities."

Maybe there is a tchalla out there to prevent me from killing myself?

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@Greyparrot

Mod said precisely that I will ATTEMPT to kill myself NP3.

Thank you for the precise time.

I have no clue what that word "attempt" means, possibly there is a town out there that can prevent it.

Possibly. I think that would be reading too much into it just based on the word attempt. If you are still alive at the start of DP 3 you will be at the top of my scum list barring some very good and specific excuse for your survival.

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@Greyparrot

Maybe there is a tchalla out there to prevent me from killing myself?

Maybe. Seems pointless to speculate, the important thing for now is that you are town. If you are alive in DP 3... We can cross that bridge if we get there.

Oh, the other important thing is that Bullish is scum. Vote Bullish.

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01.22.2020 08:26AM

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VTL BULLISH

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Votes
Ragnar - drafterman
GreyParrot - Bullish, SupaDudz, Singularity, ILikePie5, SirAnonymous
SupaDudz - oromagi
Bullish - Discipulus_Didicit, GreyParrot

Not Voting: WaterPhoenix, Ragnar, Lunatic, warren42

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01.22.2020 12:31PM

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Claimed

GP - Helmut Zemo - Suicidal

Supa - Steve Rogers - Lover with Lucky

Singularity - Lucky - Lover with Steve

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WaterPhoenix

SirAnonymous

SupaDudz

Ragnar

Greyparrot

Singularity

Discipulus_Didicit

drafterman

ILikePie5

oromagi

Lunatic

warren42

Bullish

UVC

Ragnar - 1/7 - drafterman

Grey - 5/7 - Bullish, SupaDudz, Singularity, Pie, SirAnon

SupaDudz - 1/7 - oromagi

Bullish - 2/7 - DD, Grey

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01.22.2020 12:31PM

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I just want to get this straight...

Supa things GP might be a Jester and... because of that... wants to lynch him ergo making him achieve his win condition at the expense of everyone else?

Thinking like this could only come from a town-sided Supa.

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01.22.2020 12:32PM

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thinks*

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01.22.2020 12:36PM

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There is definitely scum on Grey's wagon.

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01.22.2020 12:37PM

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If there was a thematic split, I'd say Singularity was the third party, but there isn't so.... meh.

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01.22.2020 12:38PM

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I'm inclined to put Bullish, Supa, and Single in my town pile.

That leaves Pie and Sir.

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01.22.2020 12:38PM

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We'll just go through each in turn.

Unvote. VTL Delicious Apple Pie.

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01.22.2020 12:39PM

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UVC

Pie - 1/7 - drafterman

Grey - 5/7 - Bullish, SupaDudz, Singularity, Pie, SirAnon

SupaDudz - 1/7 - oromagi

Bullish - 2/7 - DD, Grey

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01.22.2020 12:42PM

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GP said what day he will die, so I'm inclined to wait to see whether or not he does then. Unvote

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01.22.2020 12:45PM

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@oromagi

Lover is not a particularly town claim:

Lovers have been known to be of any alignment. It is not at all implausible to have Lovers in Town-scum pairs.

Tragic Lovers are a rather annoying variant. One can be town aligned. The other can be scum aligned. Each lover can have two win conditions. It can win with its own alignment as its lover loses. Or they can win together, acting as their own faction eliminating all other scum and town players.

That's a good point.

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ILikePie5 - drafterman

GreyParrot - Bullish, SupaDudz, Singularity, ILikePie5, SirAnonymous

SupaDudz - oromagi

Bullish - Discipulus_Didicit, GreyParrot

Not Voting: WaterPhoenix, Ragnar, Lunatic, warren42

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01.22.2020 12:52PM

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@drafterman

No need to unvote

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@Speedrace

Your VC is wrong. I unvoted.

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Vote Count

ILikePie5 - drafterman

GreyParrot - Bullish, SupaDudz, Singularity, ILikePie5

SupaDudz - oromagi

Bullish - Discipulus_Didicit, GreyParrot

Not Voting: WaterPhoenix, Ragnar, Lunatic, warren42, SirAnonymous

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01.22.2020 01:11PM

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@SirAnonymous

The irony

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@Discipulus_Didicit

It doesn't matter his suicide day. He is lying g. There would not be a suicide and lovers in the same game with the game being this small. Greyparrot is confirmed scum

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@oromagi

My PM explicitly states supa as town. We can confirm each other. It would be stupid to out the lovers to confirm scum if you don't actually lynch that scum. It is like when a cop outs themselves early to expose a guilty hit. You just go with it or the cop outted himself for nothing. There is only one play here

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@Discipulus_Didicit

Possibly. I think that would be reading too much into it just based on the word attempt. If you are still alive at the start of DP 3 you will be at the top of my scum list barring some very good and specific excuse for your survival.

So your plan is to wait until DP3 to kill scum we caught on DP1?

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01.22.2020 01:38PM

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anyone advocating for any lynch other than GPs should be next after GP is lynched. When you out roles to prove that the balance of another role would be off or for other informational reasons such as a guilty cop or watcher result, you go with that result, otherwise you just delayed catching scum and outted their roles for no reason

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01.22.2020 01:42PM

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If there is a single lesson I've learned in all my years playing Mafia is that players don't know dick about balance.

1. You can only establish balance after knowing ALL the roles in the game.

2. There is nothing saying the game can't, in fact, be balanced.

In situations like this, where there is some anti-utility role, scum is usually smart enough to realize that they have to be on that lynch otherwise they look scummy by comparison.

Consider just last game with oro as Turn Coat. Scum would have preferred oro stay alive so they can convert him, but being conspicuously not on his lynch would have been suspicious, so they pushed for his lynch to look town sided.

This is also the exact same scenario. It is a better guarantee that scum is on Grey's wagon than it is that Grey is scum himself.

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