Captain America: Civil War Mafia - DP1

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He won't continue with it now. I called him on it. In poker you never let anybody know their tells so regret mentioning that one, but there are about 100 things that indicate he is scum and everyone should have picked up on them
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Him switching to Bullish. I'd have to read into Bullish more, 

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@SirAnonymous
What do you think of drafter's theory that scum are on GP's lynch?

Just got done reading that post and I think it is well thought out. In fact our (drafter and I) belief that scum must be on GPs lynch combined with my strong town read on you is the main reason he and I agreed that todays today should be either pie or bullish.
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@Singularity
In this case, there's no benefit to town by fighting since it's highly likely I will die NP3.

Voting for me in my eyes is equivalent to a vtnl which isn't going to break town.
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@Vader
He claimed WIN WITH TOWN

This would have to be a Jester role

He is lying about his role, its bastard win with town, it doesn't make sense
We can continue this discussion in the End Game, it's not pertinent at the moment. I'm just saying, if you think someone is a Jester YOU DONT VOTE TO LYNCH THEM.
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@drafterman
I am throwing ideas out there. I think HE IS SCUM
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Voting for me in my eyes is equivalent to a vtnl which isn't going to break town.
I think the biggest case against lynching Grey is the fact that he is perfectly fine with him getting lynched.
So either he is town and he recognizes the anti-utility nature of his role, OR him getting lynched is part of his wincon.

In either case, we're better off finding actual scum that doesn't want to get lynched.


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I would vote a person I thought was jester, because I think the rarity of a jester would mean acting as if they don't exist even when you suspect them is the optimal play
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@drafterman
I think the best thing for me to do is shutup for the rest of the day so you can get accurate scumreads after my lynch.
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I noticed I did bring up some behavioral analysis that you were begging for and everyone ignores it because they aren't willing to consider anything that challenges their pet theory

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@Discipulus_Didicit
There's something bothering me about you. This is going to sound weird, but what's bothering me is that you're town reading me. If your theory is right, then I should be a good suspect, especially given my abominable play at the beginning that influenced the lovers to claim.
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@drafterman
You literally accused him of being a Jester type role (that wins if they get lynched) and then voted to lynch him.
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I believe someone mentioned earlier that this action by Supa town confirms him. I would second that conclusion.
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@Singularity
Did you factor in the fact that Grey seems perfectly fine getting lynched into that analysis? Do you think this is just some huge WIFOM bluff on his part?
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Is he normally Okay getting lynched as town? 
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@drafterman
This is so much like last game when town tushed to kill traitor DP1 when there was no need for the rush.
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@Singularity
No.
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@Greyparrot
Another discussion for another time, but you were 100% wrong about that. Scum would have let him live until the conversion would win them the game.
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So you admit his play is different here than most games. Nice to know
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@drafterman
Then he gets killed. There was no rush.
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@Singularity
In previous games if you tell him he is scum, he comes after you. In this game, I call him scum and he avoids interactions with me.
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Do you have any links to such games? In my experience GP is relatively passive as either alignment.

Avoiding interacting with people that scum read me is also something I generally do as town too unless there are enough people scum reading me that I might be mislynched. This is in order to avoid fluffing up the DP with trivialities and drawing attention to theories I know to be innacurate (due to me being town). As scum I prefer for people to scum read me early on so that I can use that as a spark to light the fuse of drama which I can manipulate to my advantage.

But of course everyone has their own style. Whether you have any links that affirm your claim that GPs style is what you say it is is the question.
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@Greyparrot
Then he gets killed. There was no rush.
That's the part you aren't getting. They wait until his conversion wins them the game. That is, there isn't a subsequent DP for Town to lynch him. His switch in affiliation is what triggers their wincon immediately. But, again, we can discuss further later.
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@Singularity
So you admit his play is different here than most games. Nice to know
Not every change in behavior means they're scum.

You aren't behaving exactly the same way you've always played in all of your many games, ma'am.


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@drafterman
There was no scenario you can imagine where town would lose by waiting 1 day to lynch him.


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@SirAnonymous
This is going to sound weird, but what's bothering me is that you're town reading me.

Nothing wrong with that. Perfectly natural townie paranoia.

If your theory is right, then I should be a good suspect,

My town read of you had nothing at all to do with your vote on GP, it was based on other factors. I do not remember the specifics but I can go back and re-read to remind myself if you would like.

especially given my abominable play at the beginning that influenced the lovers to claim.

Scum reading someone for 'abominable play' is retarded. It is just as possible for town to play poorly as for scum to play poorly. Also for the record you didn't force anyone out. Singularity and Supadudz outted voluntarily. Whether that was a smart move on their part is a discussion for another time, point is it was them not you.

Hope that clears things up.
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TOWN
ILikePie5                 (power)
Greyparrot             SUICIDAL         Helmut Zemo
Discipulus_Didicit
SirAnonymous
WaterPhoenix
drafterman
Bullish
SupaDudz             LOVER (1of2)    Steve Rogers
Singularity             LOVER (2or2)    Bucky Barnes
Ragnar
Lunatic
warren42
SCUM

A Mostly Inaccurate Vote Count

ILikePie5 - 2/7 - drafterman, Grey
GreyParrot - 3/7 - SupaDudz, Singularity, ILikePie5
SupaDudz - 1/7 - oromagi
Bullish - 1/7 - Discipulus_Didicit
Sir - 1/7 - Bullish

UNVOTE
VTL Ragnar for vote
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UVC
ILikePie5 - 2/7 - drafterman, Grey
GreyParrot - 3/7 - SupaDudz, Singularity, ILikePie5
Bullish - 1/7 - Discipulus_Didicit
Sir - 1/7 - Bullish
Ragnar - 1/7 - oro

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So, it's a New Year. People like to make resolutions. I'm going to make a resolution and I invite everyone else to join me.

This is a game that can get heated. It instills paranoia and doubt in people and is a recipe for high emotions.

But it is also a game that requires people to eventually overcome that paranoia and doubt and work together to a common goal.

That means convincing other people on a course of action. And one of the Aristotlean aspects of argumentation is pathos or appeal to emotion. We all make mistakes or engage in fallacies or just simply have different points of view. But we aren't going to get anywhere by calling other people, their suggestions or positions "retarded."

If you present to me a reasonable course of action that I want to take, but I have questions or doubt it, calling me "retarded" is going to make me want to reject it just as an emotional reflex.

It doesn't help the game.
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Tagging everyone with this message then I am going to stop posting for a bit.

Everyone that has been active should slow down for a bit to allow people that have not yet been active to catch up. Not saying to stop playing, just... You know... Take a goddamn chill pill okay?

Further I would like everyone who is caught up to state who they would prefer to lynch between bullish and pie (see post 258). I will state now that I prefer to lynch bullish.

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Tagging everyone with this message then I am going to stop posting for a bit.

Everyone that has been active should slow down for a bit to allow people that have not yet been active to catch up. Not saying to stop playing, just... You know... Take a goddamn chill pill okay?

Further I would like everyone who is caught up to state who they would prefer to lynch between bullish and pie (see post 258). I will state now that I prefer to lynch bullish.

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Tagging everyone with this message then I am going to stop posting for a bit.

Everyone that has been active should slow down for a bit to allow people that have not yet been active to catch up. Not saying to stop playing, just... You know... Take a goddamn chill pill okay?

Further I would like everyone who is caught up to state who they would prefer to lynch between bullish and pie (see post 258). I will state now that I prefer to lynch bullish.