So is the case against pie. He is inactive so he should be policy lynched
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@Singularity
I don't want to be rude but the number of questions that you are asking me that have already been addressed is frustrating. I am forced to ignore any further inquiries until I see a post from you that says "okay I have read post 220" or something along those lines.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I have told you repeatedly that I have read it repeatedly and have referred to it to let you know I have read it. It provides no behavioral analysis. Do I need to break the post down line by line? I have not asked a single question that the post would suffice as an answer for
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@Singularity
You gave no behavioral analysis [on GP]
Right, I simply proved that your 'balance analysis' was retarded. That is all that I set out to do. So unless you have some other reason to scum read GP please drop your tunneling of him.
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@Singularity
The argument is that there is scum on Grey's lynch and POE narrows it down to Bullish, Pie, or SA.
Who in that pile do you think is most likely scum?
UVC
ILikePie5 - 2/7 - drafterman, Grey
GreyParrot - 3/7 - SupaDudz, Singularity, ILikePie5
SupaDudz - 1/7 - oromagi
Bullish - 1/7 - Discipulus_Didicit
Sir - 1/7 - Bullish
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@Singularity
Do I need to break the post down line by line?
If you insist on saying that the reason you scum read GP is due to balance analysis then yes this is exactly what I wish for you to do. If you have some other reason for scum reading him that you have not yet revealed then thiss will not be necessary due to the fact that 220 was specifically meant to address the balance analysis point.
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@drafterman
If you want me to believe scum is on his lynch, you need to prove he is town. I am more inclined to believe the people not on his lynch are scum.
Why would me and supa out our role if you aren't even going to use the information for analysis?
Are you going to do this when a watcher watches the NK on DP2 or if on dP2 a cop gets a guilty? Or if somebody is tracked to the NK target?
When people out their roles to catch scum you go with it. I will be the NK target obviously because it is a two for one shot. I am not about to let my life get wasted to catch scum only to watch town randomly decide to town read GP and randomly call people on his lynch scum based on their random town read of GP
Shit guys, don't forget warren42 exists and is in the game.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
So you town read GP based on the fact that balance analysis is useless and we can just ignore things like counter claims because shit like that is also a part of balance analysis?
If GP is hinting that he only full claims dp1 as town, he needs to be banned from future games. Manufacturing 100% accurate town tells is unfair.
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@drafterman
@warren42
I'd forgotten that. Let's get him active, then. We need another good player to make some sense of this mess.
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@Singularity
He does it as scum, too. No cause for a ban.If GP is hinting that he only full claims dp1 as town, he needs to be banned from future games. Manufacturing 100% accurate town tells is unfair.
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@drafterman
No I said he's scum. Why would I want to give him a lynch
Me and supa are staying steady. You can engage in a mexican stand off with us if you want, but you will lynch greyparrot or any other lynch you target, you will need the help of the scum team to secure it
I assume pie is staying study as well, because he knows what the other lynch option is
Last minute I could switch to bullish though possibly, because it is suspicious his vote is bot on GP
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@Singularity
<br>So you town read GP based on the fact that...
All I did was point out that your scum read on him was illogical. My strongest town reads at the moment are (in no particular order) siranon, supa, singularity, and drafter.
balance analysis is useless and we can just ignore things like counter claims because shit like that is also a part of balance analysis?
While it is true that balance analysis is useless (obviously) I have not used that fact as a premise for any of my positive reads. I have only used that as a premise for dismissing the illogical scum read on GP. I would like to invite you a second time to provide any non-balance-analysis-based reasoning you may have to scum read him.
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@Singularity
If you want me to believe scum is on his lynch, you need to prove he is town.
The options are:
He is scum that openly claimed a scummy character and scummy role and agreed to get himself lynched;
He is town that openly claimed a scummy character and scummy role and agreed to get himself lynched;
The latter is far, far more likely than the former.
However, I disagree that it should be necessary to provide that GP is town to convince you that scum is on his lynched. Once it was established that he was a scummy character with a scummy, anti-town role, and once a wagon started developing on him, it would be in scum's interest to hop on that wagon.
I am more inclined to believe the people not on his lynch are scum.
Why *more* inclined? It's almost certainly that both are true: there are scum on his lynch and there are scum not on his lynch. Again, let's break down the possibilities:
1. There is exactly 0 scum on his lynch.
2. There is exactly 0 scum not on his lynch.
3. There is scum on his lynch and not on his lynch.
#1 is a problem because Grey voted himself at some point and you are saying he is scum, so #1 is a contradiction.
I believe you and Supa are Town by POE, leaving us with Bullish, Pie, and SA.
If #2 is true, then ALL of them are the entire scum team (unlikely)
That leaves #3 as the only real viable option, and POE narrows it down to one or more of Bullish, Pie, and SA.
Why would me and supa out our role if you aren't even going to use the information for analysis?
I explicitly DID use it for analysis. Believing scum to be on Grey's wagon, it narrows down who that scum would be. That is: Bullish, Pie, and/or SA.
Are you going to do this when a watcher watches the NK on DP2 or if on dP2 a cop gets a guilty? Or if somebody is tracked to the NK target?
Do... what, exactly?
When people out their roles to catch scum you go with it. I will be the NK target obviously because it is a two for one shot.
That's WIFOM. We don't know what other roles there are. Hell, for all we know, you and Supa have linked roles, but they say something else and this is some sort of combo-gambit. Maybe you're like... dual bodyguards and you protect each other each night and PREVENT the other from getting killed.
We can't know balance without knowing all the roles. Without that info, balance analysis is moot.
I am not about to let my life get wasted to catch scum only to watch town randomly decide to town read GP and randomly call people on his lynch scum based on their random town read of GP
It's not random.
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@Singularity
There are seven town players other than you two, which is enough for a lynch without any scum. Getting them to agree on a lynch could be a problem, though. This DP seems to be well on its way to 30+ pages.you will need the help of the scum team to secure it
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Attempt bro? Attempt. Why are you buying this Disc? Why? I am actually thinking of unvoting him just because he is trying to get himself lynched
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@Vader
Would you be willing to go along with your partner in post 287?
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@Singularity
If GP is hinting that he only full claims dp1 as town, he needs to be banned from future games. Manufacturing 100% accurate town tells is unfair.
He verifiably doesn't only full claim DP1 as Town. He did it in VIRTs game as scum.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
What do you think of drafter's theory that scum are on GP's lynch?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I'm still reading, give me a minute
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@Vader
No I said he's scum. Why would I want to give him a lynch
Why you playin'?
Wait I just realized something. If your suicidal, how do you win with town? That would for sure be a third party/jester type role where that user would win. he said he wins with townFound itVTL Grey
You literally accused him of being a Jester type role (that wins if they get lynched) and then voted to lynch him.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
His character is inherently scummy as is the role claim in and of itself which is a more typical than normal scum type claim.
Also it is retarded to say balance analysis is useless. I have caught several s um that way. CCs are a type of balance analysis and we have seen several scum caught that way, but there have been times usually in mylo when we have more information where things did not add up.
GP is scum. He is usually more direct with people who falsely scum read him. In previous games if you tell him he is scum, he comes after you. In this game, I call him scum and he avoids interactions with me. There are dozens upon dozens of tiny clues. You are so focused on the balance part which is an important part you are missing GPs behavior, like fear of interacting with people who scum read him which is not typical of town GP, or the way he chooses his words. The same type of phoniness ragnar displayed last game you guys ignored. It's obvious shit
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@Singularity
His character is inherently scummy
There's no theme, so no character claim is scummy.
GP is scum. He is usually more direct with people who falsely scum read him. In previous games if you tell him he is scum, he comes after you. In this game, I call him scum and he avoids interactions with me.
This is a good point. However, it was night, so it's entirely possible he just wasn't awake. If he continues like this, it will be suspicious.
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@drafterman
He claimed WIN WITH TOWN
This would have to be a Jester role
He is lying about his role, its bastard win with town, it doesn't make sense
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@Singularity
I reread Grey's posts, and you're right about how he's choosing his words. I felt like I was reading someone else's posts. Those weren't like Grey at all.