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@Greyparrot
Post #9How do you know? Are you witholding info you got from the Mod?
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@Speedrace
Alright. in the absence of any other evidence, I'll have to go along with you being town then.
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@Greyparrot
Am I missing something? I guess I must be. Explain to me how "DREAMER, oops sorry BP" isn't scummie as hell? Especially when you failed to COP?
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@oromagi
singularity and I got no mod notice of an attack. Speed claims he did. Absent of a CC this confirms him as town.
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@oromagi
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@oromagi
It's not "Dreamer, oops sorry BP," that paints it like it was a mistake, it was on purpose to attract the NK
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@drafterman
It’s even night only, mentioned in my claim post.
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@drafterman
if comedian works like role cop, then goons return vanilla. Isn’t that how it works on your own rolelist?
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@Vader
Would a role cop have no difference between goons and vanillas?
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@Bullish
if comedian works like role cop, then goons return vanilla. Isn’t that how it works on your own rolelist?
No. Goon would return goon.
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@drafterman
Ok my role doesn't specify and Supa wouldn't answer me, so I'll take this as a piece of evidence toward oro being town.
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@Bullish
As long as it's specified that oro IS ONE of those roles, he's confirmed. I see no reason for vanilla to return the same as goon
My only problem is that it's strange you weren't given any Mafia roles...if it was me, I would've put at least one on there
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@Speedrace
Role cop: "if a Mafia Goon or Vanilla Townie is investigated, they return 'Vanilla'"
Conventions vary, so I wouldn't say confirmed.
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@Speedrace
No... I don’t get the question
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@oromagi
Have you full claimed yet? If you haven’t you need to ASAP
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@ILikePie5
He claimed vanilla.
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@drafterman
You being scum has nothing to do with toaster, your adamancy of him flipping town based on him literally doing nothing, shows you had inside information, and were wanting to use his flip to weaponize against those lynching him, as you are doing now. Read you like a book.Wait I thought I was scum protecting toaster my Uber powerful scum partner?
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@Singularity
Why would scum target dreamer over the cop?
Because GP is claiming to be roleblocked, so they weren't worried about him getting results.
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@Bullish
Who did I pressure based on their PM structure? You've got me confused with someone else.I town read Lunatic for initiating the popcorn massclaim because mafia has a janitor, and could wait to DP2 to essentially deny claiming as a town tool. But he also pressured 3 people solely based off of their PM structure and I don't like that.
My conversation with Lunatic around page 10,11,12, I'm not sure if I convinced him to vote drafter, or he convinced himself to vote drafter, or if he 'conveniently found' reasons to get on a wagon he didn't think was going to happen earlier.
I wasn't sold on drafter until re-reading his interaction with you in night phase 1. I voted drafter in DP1 because he was opting for a no lynch, which seemed extremely out of character for him, and seemed like he was only doing it because he had the largest wagon atm. Also I would rather a lynch than a no lynch dp1.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145609 this sounds like setting up a mislynch.
How so?
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Drafterman [1/6] Lunatic
Speedrace [2/6] Singularity, oromagi
PF4R [1/6] Bullish
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@Lunatic
He is probably scum ascetic which is why there were no results
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@Lunatic
As I'm doing what, now?
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@drafterman
I meant to respond to these, but the day phase started when I was on my weekend, and a new game came out "escape from tarkov" so I was only responding to shorter posts in between matches.
I don't think expressing a preference means I never ever, under any circumstances, choose the alternative option unless I am scum. I choose whatever I think is the best option given the circumstances at the time. After all, a no lynch is what ended up happening anyway.
You definitely cared more about it on DDO. I remember a game where I argued with you about no lynching DP1 and you were for it, and you were so for it you dug through hundreds of old games to provide statistics on how effective lynching DP1 was for town in the past as opposed to no lynching. In the all the recent games I have played with you I remember you being pro DP1 lynch as well. I am not saying it's impossible for you to have changed your playstyle, I have multiple over the years, but I haven't seen this style change ever until you were the target of the lynch.
Except is the status quo. We're in a game were, in DP1, unprompted, the doctor/watcher, cop, and dreamer all claimed. Yeah, in the old meta this was extremely frowned upon, but I think maybe we need to reevaluate how harmful it actually is. Going back to Office, the cop claimed DP1 and mafia just... let him live, yet went on to win the game.Quickfires are an entirely different beast and shouldn't factor in here.
Well we now know why dreamer claimed, so really all we had is a doc/watch (who you have repeatedly stated you suspect anyway), and GP who is also been thrown into your scum pile based on lynching behaviors. So if only one of the person of the three that claimed this game is someone you actually don't suspect as being mafia, weird that you would follow a status qou led by scum.
Also your "If everyone else is doing it, I will do it" logic isn't being consistent, considering your also yelling at the whole town for being stupid and telling them they deserve to lose. So you are following losing behaviors while also lecturing people for them? I don't see a town reason for you to do this.
In general, I think history has shown that the argument of "He acted X in the past but is acting Y now" isn't a good scum marker. It failed in Office. It failed in JARGOM. People's behavior is fluid.
Like I said, I would buy this in general, but you are pretty hypocritical in this instance, since earlier in DP1 you were saying "TUF usually plays safer than this with his lynches", so clearly you are using difference in behavior as a tool to read scum too.
Then let me rephrase. The Bullish' logic is so bizarre and twisted that any person reading it should question his affiliation (if not sanity) and would be extremely wary of jumping on the same wagon.
Bullishes reasons may have been misguided, but doesn't mean you are town. For all I know you are both scum, given how easily he flipped his scum read to a town read to you for virtually just as little reason as he had a scum read on you, seems like a good maneuver to create distance between you two.
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@drafterman
Using toaster's lynch as an "I told you so". If you are scum then you would have known toaster was town.As I'm doing what, now?
Drafterman about me DP1: At the very least we all know that Lunatic - when town - will actively pursue a lynch until it is a done deal.
Drafterman to me DP2: "Normally you aren't one to go straight for a lynch. You want to squeeze any and all possible information out of the day."My "normal" behavior to him is whatever he wants it to be such that he can be suspicious of me for voting for him lol. But remember, past games don't matter. ;-)
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@Singularity
That's kind of a leap. A much easier theory to buy is that scum rolelbocked GP, and night killed a BP player the same night you protected GP.He is probably scum ascetic which is why there were no results
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@Lunatic
Ok. Town doesn't really give a shit either way. They're not going to lynch me based on your bullshit and they're not going to lynch you based on your bullshit either.
Also it was fairly easy for any non-idiot to see that irontoaster was town.