South Park Mafia DP3

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@Greyparrot
mAyBe ItS a CoInCiDeNcE
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@Bullish
who'd you visit
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@Greyparrot
You weren't NKd
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I love how town is just going to let scummy people push for lynches on the stupidest of reasons and then turn around and listen to their advice like it's gospel.
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Town deserves this loss.
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I was already suspicious of speed for tunnel defending Iron as if speed somehow knew Irontoaster was town. (even popping in to defend him after a 36 hour lurk)
That's a lie, you believed iron was scum, don't try to paint it like you knew he was town all along

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@WaterPhoenix
It's not a visit.
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@Bullish
Ok, who'd you tell your joke to.
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I already said that's not how my role works. This is part of why I'm so willing to buy that the mod messed up Pie's role, because my role doesn't work like it's described in drafter's role list. I choose a person and I tell myself a joke about that person. I know it doesn't make much sense but that's how it is.
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@Bullish
So did you tell yourself a joke about pie?
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@drafterman
Hush, nobody is sussing you atm. Stop protesting.
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@Greyparrot
Must be a coincidence.
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@Speedrace
You weren't NKd

How do you know? Are you witholding info you got from the Mod?
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@drafterman
Or maybe you're making a mistake.
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@WaterPhoenix
bruh,

I told my self a joke about oro, he was one of vanilla, vig, or doc. He claimed vanilla before I outted those results, so this doesn't incriminate or exonerate him.
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@Greyparrot
Drafter's just like that. Did you see the FT Nightless game I linked? Out of 4 DPs, he was onboard with the scum agenda 4/4, and sussing the 2-3 townies that led a 75% scum lynch rate the entire time. And he was adamant about it.
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@Bullish
why are you bringing up a 4 year old game?
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If he’s one of those three roles, then he’s confirmed town.
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I had a town read on pressF for that theory discussion we had. At the time I believed noob town was far more likely to fall into and use the "No-lynch DP1 fallacy," because they're afraid of the technically true fact that you're more likely to hit town than scum. However my opinion has changed. PressF's behaviour now to me seems that he's afraid of lynching town NOT because he wants to win with town, but because he's afraid of losing town cred.

If he was afraid Water might be accidentally hammered, then why did he put Water at L-1? If he's not afraid, why would he declare that the hammerer is scum as if he knew Water is town?

This could be the behaviour of someone who wants to kill town, but isn't have the risk tolerance to lose town cred while doing so.

Then he fails to show up at all at the end of DP1 and DP2, right after admitting that DP1 lynches are statistically good for town, presumably because both of those wagons were town, and pressF wanted neither to vote for them nor drive another wagon. This is the most damning factor.



This post by Water is what made me think he's town: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145205
"Jesus Christ" sounds like frustration, rather than panic I'd expect from mafia. The newer a player the more accurate an emotional tell is.

Later he lingers on the whole fluff post ordeal. Normally scum would be happy to be over that ASAP, but as town he may hold grudges and bring up from time to time.



Virt was killed NP1. He didn't post much, hes reads were inline with most people's, and I had a null read on him. NP1 mafia had a choice of 2 investigative roles, a JOAT, and a couple of lead players. This means A) the mafia team is highly risk averse, or B) Virt's actually onto something.
Virt went from "VTL Drafterman  That has to be a scum role" to "drafter is my top town read" in 13 posts flat, which was super fishy to me at the time. But ultimately he just didn't really do anything noteworthy the whole DP.


I town read Lunatic for initiating the popcorn massclaim because mafia has a janitor, and could wait to DP2 to essentially deny claiming as a town tool. But he also pressured 3 people solely based off of their PM structure and I don't like that. Given my existing town reads and TUF's skill and knowledge of the game, I'm moving him down to null.

My conversation with Lunatic around page 10,11,12, I'm not sure if I convinced him to vote drafter, or he convinced himself to vote drafter, or if he 'conveniently found' reasons to get on a wagon he didn't think was going to happen earlier.

https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145609 this sounds like setting up a mislynch.



I don't like how Oro's read list just seems to move randomly: https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145589
wasn't it just a few posts ago that he was townreading drafterman? What reason did he have to scum read the un-CC'd cop claim, given that cop has been in every Supa game? It seems to me that he moved drafter and iron to the bottom just because a couple of people mentioned them as prospective lynches and he's just bandwagonning.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145641 look at this bullshit, he moves iron from the bottom of the read list to the top because of like 3 posts that had basically no substance except for a safe potentially fake claim.
Oro also need drafter to convince him to lynch drafter, despite having drafter leaning sucm 2nd to last on his read list. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145817, and then continues to throw out there that drafter's wagon is scum heavy, despite drafter not flipping and he himself being on the wagon. This is not town behaviour.



btw I softclaimed here https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145638 buy implying that my role is similar to Dreamer (1 useful result out of 3).




https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3448/post_links/145836 "I don't really care about lynching that much" ... this isn't necessarily scum, but it's just such an anti-town attitude.

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@drafterman
I was going back to read some of mine, yours, TUF's , TV's old games for meta, statistics, and nostalgia. Your nonsensical behaviour in that game really struck me as being very similar your nonsensical behaviour in this one.
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@drafterman
I asked if goon shows up the same as vanilla, got a "can't answer."
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Says the person who tried to lynch me because I didn’t use emojis.



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Goon =/= Vanilla
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@drafterman
u keep telling urself that
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@Bullish
ohhhhhhh ok
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This is likely our last mislynch, so imma sleep on it.
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@Greyparrot
Pie did you have something to do with the no NK?

Nope I was 1 shot
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@Bullish
night
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I might consider that Oro is actually 1x vig, that's why he was so interested in drafter's joke vig claim last DP. Also explains why he's been playing like a mislynch target, cause he wants to survive till his vig shot has higher chance of hitting scum.

If you are 1x vig Oro, please use it tonight so we don't get to MyLo and have to give up another kill.
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@Bullish
shouldnt you have two sets of results?