South Park Mafia DP2

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@WaterPhoenix
We should pressure him. That's what I've been trying to get people to do!

This is the problem when you only read Lunatics interpretations of my posts instead of mine 

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We also don't know that he's a protective role. Virt never claimed and pie hasn't claimed. I doubt a full doctor would CC a joat claim anyway.

Lunatic is just blindly trusting him on all things
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I think that you think that lunatic is giving singularity a noob pass instead of pressuring him to come clean. But I don't know why you need for him to come clean in the first place, this is a pretty big waste of time.

 If no one else is willing to pressure him, and he isn't willing to come clean, then I'm seriously going to think about coming clean for him.
nice subtle pressure

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@drafterman
What if he is a protective role? That's one big loss for us if we lynch him.
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On a personal level, I dont like the idea of someone exploiting the privilege of switching to an alt account to get an advantage.

In game, he has a role that gives results. We're supposed to believe his results while maintaining a lie about his experience?

And Id love to do this the "proper" way, but nobody seems to give a shit.



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You could say that about anyone anytime. Toaster could be a protective role.
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Well, I mean he hasn't been cc'd
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Yeah no, but toaster is inactive and I think he's a better lynch than singularity.
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Why would anyone cc a joat?
Also, people don't always cc. Lunatic didn't cc speed in virts game

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Also, if you believe that his claim means there can't be another watcher or protective role in the game, then the fact he wasn't the mafia night kill should be suspicious to you.
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hmm, i don't know. Maybe mafia thought he'd be watched or something?
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But there can't be another watcher. He claimed it, right?
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So you're going to punish town because you don't like what the mod is doing?
Sounds like a reasonable thing a totally town player would do.


Why are you acting like you know toaster is town? Only way you'd know is if you were scum.

I am saying if he's town, then HES hurting town through his inactivity. Mod shares responsibility for not replacing inactives, but ultimately irontoaster is at fault here.
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I agree as a responsibility to be more active. But you're willing to risk punishing town over this pet peeve you have about inactives rather than lynch somebody you think is actually scum and help win the game.
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Your position just doesn't make sense from a town perspective.
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Also singularity should be pressured to come clean even if he is town. He's constructed this false personality as a mafia noob and is deliberately acting in a suboptimal manner that he thinks a noob would act. If he is forced to come clean Then he's free to drop this personality and actually play like a good mafia player. Because I do think he is a good mafia player. But he's hamstringing himself with this fake personality.
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I agree as a responsibility to be more active. But you're willing to risk punishing town over this pet peeve you have about inactives rather than lynch somebody you think is actually scum and help win the game.
Pressuring inactives has been a thing since like forever. Definitely not a personal pet peeve lol. It's a widely known and understood pet peeve of mafia. Case in point, greyparrot in JARGOM, and you yourself admitted we shouldn't have let him slide. When did you stance change on the subject, when you got a different affiliation in this game? 

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My stance has never been to Lynch inactives over scum.

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@drafterman
Why are you acting like you know toaster is town?
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@Lunatic
Can you show where your stance has ever been to Lynch inactives over scum?
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I'm not. I'm basing my stance off of Lunatics own scum reads which has toaster possibly being town.
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Reads:
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Lunatic: Very Lean Town- Hasn't had like any scum slips, has been pretty active, and has been making some very pro town decisions, dunno what that oro is kenny thing was though.
PressF: Null: Hasn't been that active, but played pretty pro-town and has had big boi brain plays
Drafterman: Lean town- Pushing singularity coming clean thing a lot and that was some weird 1v1 thing with bullish in dp1.
SpeedRace: Lean town: Has been pretty active and pro town but is pushing singularity coming clean thing a lot, like drafter. Pushing singularity doesn't necessarily mean scum though so...
Irontoaster: Lean Scum- Hasn't been active at all
Bullish: Lean Town- No scumslips and really active
iLikePie5: Lean Scum- Like iron, really inactive
Oromagi: Lean Town- Has been pretty active and no scumslips
Greyparrot: Lean Town- While cartman seems like a scummy character, the correlation doesn't seem to be that huge between character and town/scum affiliation, he's been fairly active with no scum slips
Singularity: Null- Singularity's out of nowhere joat claim was weird but I think it was from a misunderstanding of the popcorn claim thing, he's not a new player and him not telling us who he is is a bit sus, but people are entitled to their privacy. He has been fairly active though, so nice.




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Yeah, i don't know what mafia is really doing.
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The role clean thing is pretty annoying :(

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@WaterPhoenix
Pie is probs town from cop inno.
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@WaterPhoenix
I'm fairly sure there is a framer to go with cop, especially with 3 scum. There would have been no reason to cover up pie randomly though.
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ok, sure. Pie is now Lean Town.
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I don't really know anything about the balancing.
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@drafterman
Can you show where your stance has ever been to Lynch inactives over scum?
This game, the one right after we lost to greyparrot who was purposefully inactive as scum.

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whether or not toaster is town or not, we can't allow scum to lurk, mod action or no. If scum is allowed to lurk as a viable defense, town loses by default.

When you sign up to play and you get a town role, it's your responsibility to be active or give a really good reason for life circumstances why you can't be active. The consequences for inactivity as town without a reason shouldn't be mod action, but rather being banned from future games.