drafterman's QuickFire Series 1 (QFS1) - DP1

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It doesn't matter if I live. What matters more is that your existence in DP2 could make it impossible to get a majority to lynch the mafia.

How so? I already said mafia is between Speed, Press, and Zaradi. I’ll follow my win condition and follow you cause there’s an 80% chance you are town
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inherent dis-advantage for town to be alive. Also I am not sure if I am comfortable lynching press or zaradi yet, and we could have some better results to help us tomorrow.

How so?

Zaradi has results, he refuses to release them. How do you feel about that?
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If SA is town, he has no reason to care about your win con being met, and we are just taking it on your word anyway. 
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Let me put it this way: what other TP roles can I be?
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Why would you follow me? Your only concern is that I stay alive, not to hunt for the same scum. The only person you would have a motive to hunt for is PressF, because his ability to redirect people to me threatens your wincon. If you're mafia, we win by lynching you. If you're 3P, then you would just be an obstruction.
I gotta play to my wincon which is keeping you alive. Idc if I die in the night. At least let me protect you tonight rather than lynching me off the bat and take a chance
Protection would be nice. Not having any obstructions to lynching mafia would be nicer.

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Let me put it this way: what other TP roles can I be?
Mafia. It isn't TP, but if you're lying, that's what you are.
Zaradi has results, he refuses to release them. How do you feel about that?
If he refuses to release them, then we hang 'em high.

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All right, which one of you do you support lynching and why? (but especially why)
I think Zar is scum, and unlike him, I will provide my reasons for thinking so.Firstly, Zar claimed Watcher in Post 139. This means three things: either he is Town Watcher, Third-party Watcher, or Mafia Watcher. It’s impossible for him to be Third-party Watcher, since there is only one third-party and Pie already claimed Angel. This means that Zar is either Town Watcher or Mafia watcher. If Zar was Town Watcher, then there would be no reason to withhold information from town. Doing so is anti-town. Either that or Zar is lying about his role, which is also scummy. That, plus his continued insistence to build a wagon on me (especially after the plan between Sir, Pie, and I), makes me think that Zar is scum.

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(especially after the plan between Sir, Pie, and I)
What plan was this?


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@Zaradi
Wouldn't I need a reason to lynch you to turn you into a scapegoat? 
The only reason you provided that I'm maf is that I "reek of scum". You have yet to elaborate on this.

You then tried to use that vague and unexplained reason to wagon me.

The mafia, as a faction, can have more than one person. Hence why the Lookout role exists. So since there's a town and scum-side to my role, role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation. Saying otherwise is scummy.
In this game, THERE IS ONE SCUM. You saying this makes me think that you aren't being genuine in your claim. 
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(especially after the plan between Sir, Pie, and I)
What plan was this?
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Ok, but I'm not sure that's really Pie's plan, since it would only hurt him if it worked.
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If scum targeted bomb but bomb is protected, would that kill the scum without killing bomb?

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A bomb only kills its killer if the bomb itself dies.
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A bomb only kills its killer if the bomb itself dies.
Ok.

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Do you get to choose when to use your ability?
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Why would you follow me? Your only concern is that I stay alive, not to hunt for the same scum. The only person you would have a motive to hunt for is PressF, because his ability to redirect people to me threatens your wincon. If you're mafia, we win by lynching you. If you're 3P, then you would just be an obstruction.

Cause my obligation is to you. You win when scum is dead. Hence I win when scum is dead. 
If I’m Mafia then there’s still someone else who fake claimed that is still out there.

I wouldn’t be an obstruction since I’d be helping you and town win. The only way you lynch me is if you genuinely think I’m Mafia which I’ve given zero reasons as to why.
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Yes, I can choose it any NP. Needless to say, I waived NP1

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Cause my obligation is to you. You win when scum is dead. Hence I win when scum is dead. 
That's true. I didn't think about that. Unvote VTL Press
If I’m Mafia then there’s still someone else who fake claimed that is still out there.
That's true regardless of whether or not you're mafia.
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Vote Count
Press - 2/4 - Zaradi, SirAnon
Pie - 1/4 - Lunatic
Zaradi - 2/4 - Speed, Press
Not Voting - Pie

The DP will end in less than 6 hours (or when all players have voted). All players not voting when the Day Phase ends will be removed from the game.


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Another important thing to note:
My claim is testable
Pie’s claim is testable
Zar’s claim, unless he voluntarily gives out info (which he evidently doesn’t want to do), is untestable.

Something to keep in mind


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Speed's claim is also untestable.
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Speed’s claim is coroner. He can see people’s true role + affiliation after they die. I’m guessing that the roles aren’t going to be revealed by mod after death, so there is a way to test the validity of what he says, by whether they are plausible or not.
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I'm staying on pie.
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Why?
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Ive said why. Why are you flip flopping off of him so easy? Literally all it took was like one post from pie restating his win con for you to flop back off of him.
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Because that post explained why he had a motivation to hunt scum, which would remove my objection that he would be an obstruction.
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Bruh, you said that

watcher is an informative role, it would only really make sense in an alignment with more than one person in it.

To which I replied

The mafia, as a faction, can have more than one person. Hence why the Lookout role exists.

For you to then turn around and say 

In this game, THERE IS ONE SCUM.
Makes zero fucking sense to the context of what I said. The fact of the matter is super simple: my role has a town variant and a mafia variant. To say if I confirm my role then I confirm my affiliation is factually incorrect 
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Jesus, maybe my f4 read is just omgus. I need to read again
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Also, for people on my dick about results - the entire conversation that spawned this "point" between speed and I ended fuckin 10 pages ago when I told him if I had something relevant to reveal that I'd do it. All of this is based around a fucking hypothetical of "what would my results be tomorrow".

If people really want me to give results, why has no one asked me for NP1 results? because this whole "Zaradi doesn't want to share results" is a bullshit strawman of my statement. 

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What's the hard on for Pie?
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