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drafterman's QuickFire Series 1 (QFS1) - DP1
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Vote Count
Press - 1/4 - Zaradi
Speed - 1/4 - SirAnon
Pie - 1/4 - Lunatic
Zaradi - 2/4 - Speed, Press
Not Voting - Pie
The DP will end in less than 9 hours (or when all players have voted). All players not voting when the Day Phase ends will be removed from the game.
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@PressF4Respect
VTLing someone for no explicit reason, and then encouraging everyone else to wagon, appears to me (at least) to be scum trying to scapegoat someone else.
Wouldn't I need a reason to lynch you to turn you into a scapegoat?
watcher is an informative role, it would only really make sense in an alignment with more than one person in it.
The mafia, as a faction, can have more than one person. Hence why the Lookout role exists. So since there's a town and scum-side to my role, role confirmation =/= affiliation confirmation. Saying otherwise is scummy.
So the angel thing... If he is telling the truth, then it sounds like we would have to lynch sir anonymous at literally any point in order for town to win above 3rd party. I can actually buy drafter making an angels protection target a bomb. Even if roles of this subset are random that does seem a pretty clever dynamic as it forces mafia to lead a mislynch on sir anonymous to win.
But... At the same that nullifies the protection role meaning that it would pointless since sir anon shouldn't be able to be killed anyways.
It's a wierd dynamic. Its up to you all if you just want to ignore that 3rd party exist and make this a town vs mafia thing. I've seen towns do that before, but I dont see how his role could joint win with us.
Also that requires us believing that he isn't lying and actually mafia.
Id be down to ignore the third party affiliation and take a 2nd place win over mafia though. Idc up to you guys.
People need to stop talking about game balance. Drafter has said multiple times roles were randomized and also clarified they were randomized without concern for balance.
As for people talking about me "not wanting to confirm my role", I've already said I'd give results if giving results did anything - if I watch someone and no one visits them, then that doesn't confirm me, hence why would I share it unless I need to use it to CC?
I'm still on a F4 lynch today. Since people don't want to read through the DP themselves to develop their own reads I'll write out the case when I get home from work in ~3 hours.
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@Lunatic
Cant we joint win with Angel?
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@Lunatic
The set up document says we can joint with angel so no reason to care about pie being tp.
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@Zaradi
The document says its under can joint with any faction. So technically he could win with mafia too right? What if mafia is his protection target? Idk
Also I just asked drafter and apparently it is possible for mafia to joint with third party as well under the angel mechanics.
So I think it's too big a risk. Also he told me there is no 1st 2nd and 3rd place theres just people who win and people who lose. So if he did joint with scum theres basically two mafia. If we are to believe him that is.
It sounds like too much to risk imo.
I'm keeping my vote on him.
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@Lunatic
The document says its under can joint with any faction. So technically he could win with mafia too right? What if mafia is his protection target? Idk
Why would a mafia need a death proof? They select the kills.. only threat is a redirector
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@ILikePie5
Well if he is mafia he wouldn't claim his real role.
Actually unless speed is lying last mafia is tailor right?
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@Lunatic
What do you mean by the last mafia is a tailor?
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@SirAnonymous
What do you mean by the last mafia is a tailor?
From speed, post 99
I'm a Coroner, so I can see someone's true role and affiliation after they die, even if it was altered. I thought this meant there was a role alterer, but random roles means there isn't necessarily one. However, I would advise EVERYONE to put their role and affiliation and what not into their will, just in case there is an alterer
I looked up graveyard manipulation on drafters list, looks like it would be a tailor
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@Lunatic
Ok. I don't think that really means anything, though. The roles are just randomized, so I have no problem believing the Speed ended up with a useless role.
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@Speedrace
Also, I read Disc's role sheet, Angel is not town specific, you can be given a mafia to protect. In fact, that would completely balance the entire gameThe fact that Sir completely ignored that is extremely suspicious to me
Other than calling drafter Disc again, you're right. I didn't think too hard about how an angel would protect a mafia. I got to the point where I realized that an mafia-guardian angel would just be a second mafia and wrote it off as impossible. Now that I think about it, you're right. I could still be mafia. However, it would still be really weird for it to be impossible to lynch the mafia in one of the rounds due to an angel in a game that's only 2-3 rounds total. That's getting past imbalanced and edging up to outright broken. Even so, it would still be possible, though not very likely.
I don't think Zaradi is mafia. I can't prove it, but I do have evidence.
Nvm, 327 looks townie as ****. I'mma sleep and go over this again tomorrow.
Writing someone off as town is not something that a mafia would do, especially in a quickfire. This is much more like a towny being careless.
I'm leaning more toward PressF as scum due to his extremely illogical behavior.
VTL PressF
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@ILikePie5
If you don't VTL or VTNL you'll get modkilled.
Vote Count
Press - 2/4 - Zaradi, SirAnon
Pie - 1/4 - Lunatic
Zaradi - 2/4 - Speed, Press
Not Voting - Pie
The DP will end in less than 7 hours (or when all players have voted). All players not voting when the Day Phase ends will be removed from the game.
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@SirAnonymous
Also if mafia is the last person alive with the angels target according to what drafter just told me. There's a couple ways for 3P to win with mafia.
I don't think it's worth the risk. Also if pie is third party and isn't an angel with a joint condition, makes sense for him to lie. There's too much risk to letting him live I think. See his flip and decide what do to from there.
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@Lunatic
Now that I think about it, even if he is telling the truth, he will still be an obstruction because he has no reason to vtl intelligently.
Unvote
VTL ILikePie5
We don't need an apathetic third party preventing us from getting a majority on a scum.
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@Lunatic
I don't think it's worth the risk. Also if pie is third party and isn't an angel with a joint condition, makes sense for him to lie. There's too much risk to letting him live I think. See his flip and decide what do to from there.
That’s stupid. I can literally prove my role tomorrow if you lynch SA. No one denies I’m TP. What other roles could I be? I’ll look as soon as I get home. SA will be immune from it
Vote Count
Press - 1/4 - Zaradi
Pie - 2/4 - Lunatic, SirAnon
Zaradi - 2/4 - Speed, Press
Not Voting - Pie
The DP will end in less than 7 hours (or when all players have voted). All players not voting when the Day Phase ends will be removed from the game.
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@SirAnonymous
We don't need an apathetic third party preventing us from getting a majority on a scum.
Lynching me does nothing for you. You lose your protection and confirmation. There’s a greater chance you’re town than mafia according to simple probability. 80% chance
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@Lunatic
@ILikePie5
Angels can win jointly. However, he's an obstruction regardless of whether he really is one or not.
I can literally prove my role tomorrow if you lynch SA.
Somehow, daring us to make you lose doesn't fill me with confidence that's your real wincon. If you are telling the truth, that's a foolish thing to say.
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@SirAnonymous
If you don't VTL or VTNL you'll get modkilled.
I can read lol
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@ILikePie5
Lynching me does nothing for you. You lose your protection and confirmation. There’s a greater chance you’re town than mafia according to simple probability. 80% chance
It doesn't matter if I live. What matters more is that your existence in DP2 could make it impossible to get a majority to lynch the mafia.
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@SirAnonymous
Somehow, daring us to make you lose doesn't fill me with confidence that's your real wincon. If you are telling the truth, that's a foolish thing to say.
I gotta play to my wincon which is keeping you alive. Idc if I die in the night. At least let me protect you tonight rather than lynching me off the bat and take a chance
Let's just get pie out of the way for now, he is an inherent dis-advantage for town to be alive. Also I am not sure if I am comfortable lynching press or zaradi yet, and we could have some better results to help us tomorrow.
Lynching pie is the safest bet atm.
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@ILikePie5
If SA is town, he has no reason to care about your win con being met, and we are just taking it on your word anyway.