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@Speedrace
Why must mafia be strong?
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@Lunatic
Well pies asleep, so what do you guys think about the balance of claimed roles so far? What do you think about the bomb/hunter dynamic, two extra killing roles in a small game of 6?
There is no balance. It's as random as it comes. It does look pretty bad for my claim, though, especially because I claimed first. Think about it: I'm scum. I claim a role that can't really be verified. Then Pie comes along and tells the truth about being a hunter. If he was scum, then he wouldn't make up a claim that makes the game seem unbalanced, so suspicion is immediately on me (unless his claim is a WIFOM to incriminate me, but it would make him look scummy as well). Thus, it makes sense that I'm scum claiming a safe role. (Should I be saying this? I'm going to convince y'all to lynch me.)
My only real defense is that the roles are random. However, this is a really good defense, because if the roles aren't random, then Speed is lying. However, he would have no reason to do that unless he's scum taking a gamble, but that still gets me off the hook. Pretty much, either Speed's lying and he's mafia, or the roles are random and my role isn't suspicious.
PressF is pretty null to me. Maybe even a little town, based on his claim. Getting into WIFOM territory with this, but re-director seems like a challenging fake claim that would secure him life for like a day phase. He could easily prove his role, unless he tries to claim roleblocked or something, and why tf would mafia roleblock him when there's a nurse/watcher/coroner claim in the game, all which seem more detrimental to scum.
At the very least I think if we must look into him as scum, I don't see the harm of waiting for results in DP2. I think we should be lynching between the bomb and the hunter, and I am leaning hunter, given pies late claim in the mass claim and the fact that his role has more negative town utility than SA's. Also considering how much drafter usually puts into analyzing balance, I can't see him putting this many killing roles in such a small game. Town has no potential to get hurt from SA's role though.
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@SirAnonymous
Lol you can ask drafter you know
I mean that I claimed first as in claiming before Pie.
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@Speedrace
I think Mafia must be strong
whys that?
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@Lunatic
You literally just explained how powerful town is...
I think the random setup includes a powerful Mafia
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@Speedrace
Well, the fact that everyone has a role and that the roles, no matter how you square it, are just bizarre tells me that you're telling the truth about that.
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@SirAnonymous
I know. Kinda why I am leaning pie more, that and your role doesn't throw the balance off as much.I mean that I claimed first as in claiming before Pie.
I think we're easily between Zaradi and Press for Mafia/third-party
Only problem with that is Press' role, which even for him would be bold, and is confirmable
Zaradi is my number one Target
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@Speedrace
You literally just explained how powerful town is...I think the random setup includes a powerful Mafia
No, SA's role is only harmful to mafia, and pies is detrimental to town.
I can see the watcher coroner and nurse though, 0 vanillas. There are two scum, in a 6 player game, that doesn't favor town imo. But you could be right, mafia and 3p could have good roles also.
Why do people think town is powerful? 1/3 of our roles are purely negative utility, another 1/3 are as much negative as positive, Speedrace's role (if true) is probably useless, and then I'm a less powerful cop. What's strong about town?
Actually, rescind my analysis a bit. Hunter is only negative town utility if the Hunter misfires.
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@Zaradi
The nurse is what's strong about town.
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@Zaradi
You're assuming that everyone is telling the truth, two people are lying
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@SirAnonymous
The abusive doctor that roleblocks the person they're protecting? Cool, so how do you protect the watcher from getting NK'd without making the watcher useless? Is that really that strong?
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@Speedrace
You're assuming that everyone is telling the truth, two people are lying
Probably, but not necessarily. While the mafia is probably lying, the third party could be telling the truth.
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@Speedrace
Why does that make my analysis wrong? I mean, maybe the only scenario I'd see is if I ignore, like, Bomb/Hunter or Bomb/Redirector then town doesn't look weak as hell, but even with that it's a far cry to say that town is strong.
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@SirAnonymous
Probably, but not necessarily. While the mafia is probably lying, the third party could be telling the truth.
It's an open setup, I don't think third party can tell the truth. The role list and the google doc drafter posted seem to clearly define the roles that have 3rd party win conditions. I've been looking over the document.
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@Lunatic
I was about to say that
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@Zaradi
It depends how you use it. It could be used as a straight-up role-blocker. This would have some power as a weak cop. If there was no NK, then the person he blocked would be a good candidate for scum. It could also be used to create a paradox if he uses it on himself, in which case he roleblocks himself so he can't roleblock himself so he can roleblock himself so he can't roleblock himself...
Going to sleep, bai
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@Lunatic
It's an open setup, I don't think third party can tell the truth. The role list and the google doc drafter posted seem to clearly define the roles that have 3rd party win conditions. I've been looking over the document.
Ok. In that case, the third-party could be a distraction for town, since we need to kill mafia to win and the third-party would look like mafia.
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@SirAnonymous
Are you mafia?
I'mma re-read the DP.
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@Zaradi
No. Why would I be mafia?
Also, what's the point in asking? If I was mafia, I would still say no.
Oh, I forgot. I just did an analysis explaining why it makes sense that I'm mafia. I really am going to get myself lynched one of these days.
I'm still not mafia, though.
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@SirAnonymous
Ok. In that case, the third-party could be a distraction for town, since we need to kill mafia to win and the third-party would look like mafia.
Third party would win above town too, so both seem to be of equal priority. Actually nvm, third party would be higher priority I think, because if we kill mafia the game would end right? And if 3P doesn't have a joint win condition and meets his win condition and mafia dies, town would still lose. That's what I'm gathering from reading the google doc in the passive and active win conditions sections.
Nvm, 327 looks townie as fuck. I'mma sleep and go over this again tomorrow.