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If you break up my posts like that, I will not read it. I am on a cell phone, and I am far too busy to waste my time dealing with your formatting while addressing every one of your fallacies.

If you have something to say to me, respond to my whole post at once.


It is not my fault you don't have the time or patience or the equipment to  use this very common method of responding to posts  on a forum. I have explained to you, it is there so you understand which parts I am responding to specifically, otherwise if I was simply to adress your opinions, answers and responses in one single post, then you cannot be sure to what it is I am responding to precisely.

 Here's is a better idea. make your answers ( when ever you have one) direct and short and to the point. Your long drawn out filibustering doesn't help. 




I do not respect your method of post dissemination, I see it as a reflection of your inability to truly listen.
then you are blind. because quoting and  answering to each and everyone of your points individually obviously shows I have read and "listened" to each and every one of them.


I would be willing to bet that you interrupt people when they talk. 
You really are silly aren't you? Did I interrupt you when you posted the above? how can one possibly "interrupt" you unless one was right beside you. This is the internet you absolute fool.
And you still have managed to avoid those questions above. why?

you stated in a post above that christianity is a religion of the spirit so:>
Tell me,what is spiritual about someone in the scriptures saying “honour thy mother and thy father” and then saying “He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.”?

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Ok then, I guess we aren't going to talk anymore.
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very common method of responding to posts 
Common among fools.

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The funny thing about proof is that if someone rejects all evidence, they can say "There is no proof!" And not be lying because
as as long as their mind hasn't been changed, it cannot be said that something had been provennto them.


In other words, proof is subjective. If someone refuses to change their mind, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, they can simply arbitrarily reject all of it and laugh like a madman going, "Ah ha! There is no proof!"

Atheists love to use this language game because they don't believe in truth. They have embraced arbitrariness. They don't believe anything they say, they say only what they think might sound convincing to some, because their goal is to subvert the hearers into being ad foolish as they are.

Atheists don't believe in the truth. There is no reasoning with the unteasonable. It's a heart issue. If they don't love the truth, as the scriptures say, they will be cursed with strong delusion.


They bring it on to themselves. Of course, they will be forgiven if they turn away from their wickedness, but many of them get off on their wickedness. They don't understand that it is the root of their suffering.

I agree with your comments about proof. You give reasonable evidential proof that points to His existence, and they ignore everything you say with tangental attacks. I use the prophetic argument but these guys don't know enough about it to engage so they mock it. 

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If you say nothing other than "Truth" they mock you, and I think that really cuts through all their bs.
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Try providing evidence and we'll see if I accept it, so far no evidence has been presented.
What proof would I accept? I'd accept proof, you don't have any that's why you equivocate, obfuscate and pontificate.
Fantasy, make believe and wishful thinking are all you can produce as "proof" and they don't count.


The question becomes what are you questioning as not factual evidence?

I have listed The Olivet Discourse and Daniel 9:24-27 as two lines of evidence that predict the destruction of the city and temple. These predictions are listed in ancient OT and NT manuscripts. They are historical fact. Do you agree with this statement as factual? If not I can present the evidence needed to establish this as factual.  

Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70. Do you agree with this as a statement of historical FACT? If not I can give you various historical accounts that record this destruction, including in the writings of Josephus as an eyewitness to the event. 

Ancient biblical manuscripts state the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in detail. Do you believe this is a historical fact? If not, then I will present a number of passages besides The Olivet Discourse and Daniel 9. I will also present some data on the dates copies of these manuscripts were found to establish they are old. Do you want me to establish this?

In the biblical accounts (i.e., the gospels, epistles and OT writings), there is no mention of an already destroyed second temple. Is this statement factual? If you believe not then present evidence from these accounts that counter it and I will provide evidence that affirms it. We will see whose is more reasonable and logical to believe.  

There are no external (extra-biblical) accounts that predate some of these early writings that state the prophecies were written AFTER the fact. If you disagree with this statement then provide your evidence that contradicts it and the approximate date they were written. I do not know of any early writings that state these predictions were written after the event of this destruction. 

There are constant warnings in the OT of God's judgment on Israel if they will not repent of following foreign gods. Is this an accurate statement in your opinion, or do you wish to challenge it? 

The NT also has warnings to the OT people about a coming judgment of God, within THEIR lifetime. Judgment is coming soon, quick, near, at hand. Do you agree that this is a factual statement or do you wish to challenge it? 

If these are all factual statements regarding prophecy, recorded in ancient history, then I contend it is reasonable to believe that other statements the Bible makes are true, historical and factual. 

This is just one area I could get into regarding prophecy. The other is the focus of the Lord Jesus Christ in the OT and then the NT, regarding His coming to Israel, His life, death, and resurrection. But that is not what I have focused on here. I focus on Jerusalem and the temple destruction. I focus on the end of the Old Covenant along with all the curses of Deuteronomy 28 applied to these OT people. 

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If you say nothing other than "Truth" they mock you, and I think that really cuts through all their bs.
Are per all unbelievers, they question what truth is since they do not trust Jesus as Lord and Savior. It is the same story all over again of, "Did God really say," that was presented in the Garden. 

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very common method of responding to posts 
MopacMopac Common among fools.
So I am a fool when I use the quotation correctly and for its intended purposes but you are not when you do. You are as hypocritical as your scriptures.
 
Ok then, I guess we aren't going to talk anymore.

That is entirely up to you. I cannot force you to engage me no more that I can "interrupt you" , on a internet forum, you silly man. I suppose this another way for you to get out of your stupid statement that I questioned you on and you have totally ignored for lack of a answer. 
 
You stated in a post above that christianity is a religion of the spirit, so:>

Tell me,what is spiritual about someone in the scriptures saying “honour thy mother and thy father” and then saying “He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.”?

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I have never stated that God is ONLY a thought of the human brain, a figment of our imagination,
Yet, that's the only thing you have ever demonstrated, nothing more.

How would you propose I demonstrate a SPIRITUAL Being, a being without a physical body, other than showing that what the Bible states is true? I have done this with the prophetic message in trying to establish its reasonableness and logic as opposed to claims of the contrary.  

but I point out compelling evidence, whether you want to believe it or dismiss it.
No, you haven't, you have made assertions, you've provided no compelling evidence.

Stating I have not done so does not establish it factually. It is just an assertion. Try disputing what I laid down as factual in the prophecy thread. Why is it that seldom will an unbeliever engage in the argument?


That is between you and God and I leave it with Him for He knows best.
God isn't here, you are.
Then you don't know God. 


The existence of God has been/is obvious to a majority of people throughout the course of human history.
The existence of God is always based on faith, that's what it says in the Bible and that's what has always reflected reality.
The existence of origins is also faith-based. Your worldview is faith-based, even if you do not understand this. 


They look at the universe and reason it must be the work of a Creator God.
No, they have faith God is the Creator, they have no evidence. It's all guesswork based on their bias towards wanting God to exist, just like you.

Just like you have faith in blind, indifferent, chance happenstance. It is the 'god' you cling to. Some god. 

Unfortunately, many people do not worship God as He is. They have molded God into what they want Him to be. Thus, a myriad of world religions.
That looks exactly like what you have done, too. Although, it's not God they've molded, it's their faith in God that was molded, just like yours. You are no different than any of those others. There are many religions much older than yours so how do you know you are right and they are wrong?
You're welcome to your opinion! It is no skin off my back. 

The biblical view goes back to creation and God's revelation of Himself as Creator to the first man and woman. 

Right and wrong, true and false is based on the impossibility of the contrary and the contradictions involved.


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very common method of responding to posts 

 post 153 mopac Common among fools.

So PGA 2.0  in his post above is also a fool for using the quotation icon to its full and perfect advantage and capacity. SEE HIS POST 159 ABOVE THEN GO CALL HIM A FOOL!

 You really need to grow up mopac.  Stop making excuses for not answering questions when everyone else has no trouble with  "interruptions" as you put it and the "breaking up" of posts. it is common practice on forums SEE ABOVE post 159!!!!!!!!

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How would you propose I demonstrate a SPIRITUAL Being, a being without a physical body, other than showing that what the Bible states is true?
That simply shows your entire belief system is based only on what's written in the Bible, which is not a source of evidence, it's a source of faith. So, if you can't demonstrate anything beyond what the Bible says, then you have no argument.

I have done this with the prophetic message in trying to establish its reasonableness and logic as opposed to claims of the contrary.  
That was a major fail on your part.

Try disputing what I laid down as factual in the prophecy thread.
That thread failed miserably.

Your worldview is faith-based, even if you do not understand this. 
Hence, your clam is that science is faith-based, which is more evidence to show you know nothing about science.

Just like you have faith in blind, indifferent, chance happenstance.
Yes, according to your incredibly ignorant world view, science is blind faith and chance happenstance.

You should probably stick to faith based claims as your claims about science are very ignorant.

The biblical view goes back to creation and God's revelation of Himself as Creator to the first man and woman. 
Really? Tell us who recorded those events; creation and the first man and woman? Did Adam write it all down? Eve maybe? Who recorded those alleged events? The Biblical view is that of men who lived long after those events. Looks like you failed again.



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If you say nothing other than "Truth" they mock you, and I think that really cuts through all their bs.
You said God is truth, but we all know the dictionary does not agree with you, hence the dictionary cut through all your bs.

Do you need to read those definitions again? Or, have you now admitted you were wrong?

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Your lack of comprehension skills is not proof that you are right.

I willl happily destroy you in a debate if you would issue the challenge.
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How would you propose I demonstrate a SPIRITUAL Being, a being without a physical body, other than showing that what the Bible states is true?
That simply shows your entire belief system is based only on what's written in the Bible, which is not a source of evidence, it's a source of faith. So, if you can't demonstrate anything beyond what the Bible says, then you have no argument.

My authority is God's word, yet my belief system is based on more than the Bible. It is based on history, and on reason, logic from what has been created. 

I could challenge you on many fronts, one of which is making sense of morality without such a being as God. Why is your relative view on morality (such as abortion) better than my view?


I have done this with the prophetic message in trying to establish its reasonableness and logic as opposed to claims of the contrary.  
That was a major fail on your part.
No, you guys never engaged. You went off on all kinds of tangents. You never addressed the issues I brought up. 


Try disputing what I laid down as factual in the prophecy thread.
That thread failed miserably.
Coward!

Your worldview is faith-based, even if you do not understand this. 
Hence, your clam is that science is faith-based, which is more evidence to show you know nothing about science.
The science of origins is faith-based. I trust everyday science. 

Just like you have faith in blind, indifferent, chance happenstance.
Yes, according to your incredibly ignorant world view, science is blind faith and chance happenstance. 

You should probably stick to faith based claims as your claims about science are very ignorant.
Mere assertions. 


The biblical view goes back to creation and God's revelation of Himself as Creator to the first man and woman. 
Really? Tell us who recorded those events; creation and the first man and woman? Did Adam write it all down? Eve maybe? Who recorded those alleged events? The Biblical view is that of men who lived long after those events. Looks like you failed again

They were passed down from generation to generation until Moses, who wrote under the inspiration of God about these accounts. The accounts were passed down from the time of Adam.


This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven.

[ Descendants of Adam ] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.

These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his time; Noah walked with God.

[ Descendants of Noah ] Now these are the records of the generations of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah; and sons were born to them after the flood.
[ Descendants of Shem ] These are the records of the generations of Shem.
Shem was one hundred years old, and became the father of Arpachshad two years after the flood;

Now these are the records of the generations of Terah. Terah became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran; and Haran became the father of Lot.

[ Descendants of Ishmael ] Now these are the records of the generations of Ishmael, Abraham’s son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah’s maid, bore to Abraham;

Etc., etc. You get the idea of how the father passed onto the son the lineage until Moses put it into writing in the biblical accounts. 

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The question becomes what are you questioning as not factual evidence?
The bible, it's a book of myth, fairy tales, folklore, imagination, fiction and lies.

There was no garden of Eden, read some science. There was no world wide flood, read some science. There was no 400yrs slavery in Egypt, read some history. There was no Exodus, read some archaeology.
There was no-one in the mythical garden to record the actions and conversations purported to have occurred.
There was no-one with Jesus and Satan after the forty days in the desert to record the actions and conversations purported to have occurred.
That's already to much for you to defend, but Moses didn't write anything. Besides being a fictional character his comic book died hundreds of years before the books were written. BTW what language did he write in?
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My authority is God's word, yet my belief system is based on more than the Bible. It is based on history, and on reason, logic from what has been created.
Then, you have no authority. And you certainly have no concept of logic and reason. Belief systems never use them, they are unnecessary.

I could challenge you on many fronts, one of which is making sense of morality without such a being as God. Why is your relative view on morality (such as abortion) better than my view?
My views are not based on ancient myths and superstitions, misogyny, oppression or brain washing, they aren't wallowing in ignorance and denying facts in favor of fantasy. Your views of abortion have little to do with reality.

No, you guys never engaged.
There was nothing valid to engage.

The science of origins is faith-based. I trust everyday science. 
You keep piling up the evidence for your ignorance of science. Funny how you insist on showing us that time and again.

who wrote under the inspiration of God about these accounts
Theres about as much evidence of that as there is for the existence of Moses. None.

You get the idea of how the father passed onto the son the lineage until Moses put it into writing in the biblical accounts. 
I get how it was all made up by ignorant men.


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The question becomes what are you questioning as not factual evidence?
The bible, it's a book of myth, fairy tales, folklore, imagination, fiction and lies.

There was no garden of Eden, read some science. There was no world wide flood, read some science. There was no 400yrs slavery in Egypt, read some history. There was no Exodus, read some archaeology.
There was no-one in the mythical garden to record the actions and conversations purported to have occurred.
There was no-one with Jesus and Satan after the forty days in the desert to record the actions and conversations purported to have occurred.
That's already to much for you to defend, but Moses didn't write anything. Besides being a fictional character his comic book died hundreds of years before the books were written. BTW what language did he write in?


Another tangent; another excuse not to engage by you. 

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My authority is God's word, yet my belief system is based on more than the Bible. It is based on history, and on reason, logic from what has been created.
Then, you have no authority. And you certainly have no concept of logic and reason. Belief systems never use them, they are unnecessary.

I could challenge you on many fronts, one of which is making sense of morality without such a being as God. Why is your relative view on morality (such as abortion) better than my view?
My views are not based on ancient myths and superstitions, misogyny, oppression or brain washing, they aren't wallowing in ignorance and denying facts in favor of fantasy. Your views of abortion have little to do with reality.

No, you guys never engaged.
There was nothing valid to engage.

The science of origins is faith-based. I trust everyday science. 
You keep piling up the evidence for your ignorance of science. Funny how you insist on showing us that time and again.

who wrote under the inspiration of God about these accounts
Theres about as much evidence of that as there is for the existence of Moses. None.

You get the idea of how the father passed onto the son the lineage until Moses put it into writing in the biblical accounts. 
I get how it was all made up by ignorant men.

Same old, same old.
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I answered your question most emphatically, you only have lies and can't defend the lies from your book with them.

The question becomes what are you questioning as not factual evidence?
The answer is your bible and the reasons I gave destroy any pathetic rebuttal you may dishonestly attempt, so instead you squeak a bald faced lie and run away crying.
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The golfer admits defeat. HOORAH.
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I answered your question most emphatically, you only have lies and can't defend the lies from your book with them.

The question becomes what are you questioning as not factual evidence?
The answer is your bible and the reasons I gave destroy any pathetic rebuttal you may dishonestly attempt, so instead you squeak a bald faced lie and run away crying.

You made assertions and insinuations, nothing more. I'm wasting my time because your agenda will not allow a two-way discussion. 
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The question becomes what are you questioning as not factual evidence?
The answer is your bible.
Don't runaway in fear and claim I didn't answer your question.
That is just the default godist LIE.
Lift your game and respond instead of running away in tears.
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You made assertions and insinuations, nothing more.

Now you know how atheists feel.
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I answered your question most emphatically, you only have lies and can't defend the lies from your book with them.

The question becomes what are you questioning as not factual evidence?
The answer is your bible and the reasons I gave destroy any pathetic rebuttal you may dishonestly attempt, so instead you squeak a bald faced lie and run away crying.


You are not open to discussion. You continue to churn out the same old, worn out, tired talking points. 

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The golfer admits defeat. HOORAH.
You sound more and more like that troll on DDO, bulproof.

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The question becomes what are you questioning as not factual evidence?
The answer is your bible.
Don't runaway in fear and claim I didn't answer your question.
That is just the default godist LIE.
Lift your game and respond instead of running away in tears.

Uh, more assertions. Discussions require two-way interaction. You have shown you are not interested in such a discussion, just in pushing your talking points. I have no interest in answering your posts because of this agenda and anger you display. 
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You made assertions and insinuations, nothing more.

Now you know how atheists feel.
I used to be one. Their worldview funnels their beliefs. 
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They were passed down from generation to generation until Moses, who wrote under the inspiration of God about these accounts. The accounts were passed down from the time of Adam.
Absolute buffoonery. It is common knowledge among  academics,ancient history scholars and theologians  that the Genesis story if taken from the much earlier Mesopotamian creation epic  It was written down and copied by the so called  captive Jews in Babylon thousands of years after the fact.

my belief system is based on more than the Bible. It is based on history, and on reason, logic
It doesn't show.
They were passed down from generation to generation until Moses, who wrote under the inspiration of God about these accounts.
How did Moses write Deuteronomy if it records his death?
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I used to be one.
Lol. I seriously doubt you were ever an atheist especially when considering that fact you don't even know what an atheist is or how they think. Your posts here are a testament to that fact.

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Hey PGA2.0, you were born a Christian!  Your posts here are a testament to that.

Should we alert the Pope?