Pokemon Mafia DP 3

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We know who you are, just say it pls CLAIM mah dude

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@Speedrace
Don't we know that there are two though? Grey died, and we were never told that he was poisoned. That had to be some type of killing role, though, right?
Two poisoners? No, I don't think we know that. 
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No, not two poisoners, two killing roles. We basically know there has to be a poisoner who can fake poison, but that means also another killing role that killed Grey, likely a Goon
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@Speedrace
Not necessarily a killing role. The NK (as traditionally conceived) is not a role, but an ability shared collectively by mafia, thus enabling any mafioso on the team to perform it on a given night. I think that there is at least one poisoner and something else. But until we have more information, we won't know for certain.

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@Speedrace
So, why Pie over Mhar?
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Strange behavior I noticed

Mharman is lynching Pie, and has contested with Pie before...yet Pie consistently protects Mharman? I'm so confused...

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Not necessarily a killing role. The NK (as traditionally conceived) is not a role, but an ability shared collectively by mafia, thus enabling any mafioso on the team to perform it on a given night. I think that there is at least one poisoner and something else. But until we have more information, we won't know for certain.
Ohhh, so like a lynch but only for mafia? Hmmm

So, why Pie over Mhar?
Because he's straight up lied about townreading club, consistently hammers club even though we know he's town, and weirdly protects Mharman even though Mharman has contested Pie before...

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So about Club's even day poison doctor thing...what if Mr. fake poisoner can only poison on odd nights? AKA NK 1...only problem with that is that Club would instantly counter any poisoner, which doesn't seem like something warren could do

I think we're missing something about how the fake poisoner works

Anyway, I'm logging off

With Pie's role claim, (I hope you've figured it out by now) I'm not sure we should lynch him...which makes me go back to Mharman

Plus Disc and Grey and all of them would be right about Mharman trying to hitchhike off of Club...welp anyway good night
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warren would do****
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Ohhh, so like a lynch but only for mafia? Hmmm
Exactly. Usually, the mafia chooses among themselves who to NK and also which of them will do the dirty deed (alliteration ftw!).

Mharman is lynching Pie,
Voting. Lynching is different.

Because he's straight up lied about townreading club, consistently hammers club even though we know he's town, and weirdly protects Mharman even though Mharman has contested Pie before...
Fair enough. And what are your thoughts on Mhar?
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Fine then. Nothing I can say will convince you not to lynch me. So lynch me then. It will only expose Disc and Grey when I flip innocent.
VTL Mharman
Could've just been a bold move, which I suspect it was, but this kind of town reads him too
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So about Club's even day poison doctor thing...what if Mr. fake poisoner can only poison on odd nights? AKA NK 1...only problem with that is that Club would instantly counter any poisoner, which doesn't seem like something warren could do
It would skew balance by disrupting attempts at odd-night kills for mafia, you're right. Honestly, we don't know much about the situation, which makes it difficult to know. It's possible that Club or the mafia are X-shot, that Pie is right, or that something else is going on...

With Pie's role claim, (I hope you've figured it out by now) I'm not sure we should lynch him...which makes me go back to Mharman
I think we've at least ruled out lynching any random inactive. So, it's down to Pie and Mhar. We'll have a few hours tomorrow to cast our votes, so we can sleep on it. But we certainly should be online and confident in our decision.
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That's laughable. Need I remind you that you spent all of last DP tunneling Club? Can you point to your townreads of him?

I didn’t explicitly say I townread him. DP2 Post 240 - “Dude’s [Club’s] either an idiot or scum, and out of those I believe it’s the former.
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Could've just been a bold move, which I suspect it was, but this kind of town reads him too
I saw that as null. Sometimes mafia pull that stunt to make it look like they don't care about saving their own skins. I think there are townie things Mhar has done (no player is ever perfectly townie or perfectly scummy in average run-of-play), but I don't think that could count as one of them.
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So you admit you wanted to lynch (and pushed for lynching) someone you townread who was claiming a protective role? That's not helping your case at all.
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@Speedrace
Look up Voltorb...I think it's pretty obvious what Pie's role claim is from that description

I can paste it here if you want, not sure if you want me to out him though

I’ll bet all the money in the world you don’t know what role I am.
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@Speedrace
I call lynching Pie

Everytime lynching Mharman has been brought up, Pie's avoided it. He always goes back to Club. We've basically proved Club is town and he still goes to scum on him? And he ignores the fact that Mharman apparently doesn't understand his own role...

Why you trying to lynch a Town PR?

Club is not town. There’s no way in hell Warren puts to mafia killing roles in a game. It’s physically impossible. It has to be a fake poisoner and that’s Club.
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@bsh1
Full claim.

You want me to out my claim that can kill scum while thinking there’s a Mafia Poisoner and Regular Mafia NK? Jesus Christ.
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@ILikePie5
Do you deny that you're a poisoner?
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@Speedrace
We know who you are, just say it pls CLAIM mah dude

What am I?
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Do you deny that you're a poisoner?

Unequivocally.
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Okay.
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Because he's straight up lied about townreading club, consistently hammers club even though we know he's town, and weirdly protects Mharman even though Mharman has contested Pie before...

I did not lie. DP2 Post 240.

When did I protect Mharman? I scumread him. Town if and only if Club is town. I even have my vote on Mharman lol.
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Are you bomb
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So you admit you wanted to lynch (and pushed for lynching) someone you townread who was claiming a protective role? That's not helping your case at all.

As I’ve said countless times, I hate when people are stupid, it’s a pet peeve. Disc voted alongside me, GP if I seem to recall we’re with me and both were townies. It’s a pet peeve I can’t help it lol.
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Warren has said multiple times that he's all about balance, and poisoner obviously needs to be balanced by a poison doctor, so why would Club claim to be poison doctor when there likely would actually be one?

PLUS THAT, he said that he was an EVEN DAY POISON DOCTOR, something that is not mentioned on the wiki, so how could he know that such a variation could even exist?

Club is TOWN my dude
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@Speedrace
Warren has said multiple times that he's all about balance, and poisoner obviously needs to be balanced by a poison doctor, so why would Club claim to be poison doctor when there likely would actually be one?

PLUS THAT, he said that he was an EVEN DAY POISON DOCTOR, something that is not mentioned on the wiki, so how could he know that such a variation could even exist?

Club is TOWN my dude

Dude I literally said there’s no chance Mafia get 2 NKs. The balancing force here is my role which can eliminate any mafioso. X shot and Day Night flavors are very common actually.
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As I’ve said countless times, I hate when people are stupid, it’s a pet peeve. Disc voted alongside me, GP if I seem to recall we’re with me and both were townies. It’s a pet peeve I can’t help it lol.
So is Club stupid, or is he scum? Stop vacillating


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Are you bomb

I’m not gonna confirm or deny. Doing so would help mafia.
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Dude I literally said there’s no chance Mafia get 2 NKs. The balancing force here is my role which can eliminate any mafioso. X shot and Day Night flavors are very common actually.
You saying that doesn't make it true, plus WE KNOW THAT THERE IS A POISONER BECAUSE WYLTED WAS POISONED

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