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@warren42
Time check?
Pokemon Mafia DP 3
Posts
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317
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@bsh1
In an hour ish? I've gotta get this assignment done, sorry
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@Speedrace
Sure.
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@bsh1
Obviously you haven't been paying attention. See post 152.
Post 175
And that is?
All I can say is I have the power to kill scum. Not gonna say how though, let them think about it.
Still tunneling.
Mharman was being hypocritical within a span of 5 posts I think. Nothing to do with Club.
Reads
Pie - Town
Speed - Town —> a noob that is extremely helpful - highly doubt he’s mafia unless he’s a natural at this. Plus he has actually posted read unlike a vast majority of the people here.
Club - Scum —> I town read him at first, but after Warren’s revelation, I scumread him - there’s no way mafia can poison and kill —> it’s just too Op. He has to be a fake poisoner and a scum partner told him to claim that to gain town cred.
Phione - Null —> Dude claims to be from Town of Salem but won’t help at all, but he hasn’t posted much to develop a read
SupaDudz - Null —> Hasn’t posted at all, hard to know if he’s scum or town
WaterPhoenix - Null —> Hasn’t posted much and only OMGUS
Oromagi - Lean Scum —> Posted early on in the DPs but then disappears. Plus he’s experienced so he should be helping. And I think he’s levi_smiles from DDO who has a history of pulling this bs if I remember correctly.
Wylted - Town —> Can’t Post but he’s actively reading the thread and voting accordingly with pressures etc.
Bsh1 - Town —> As always the hardest to read. He suspects me but he always does this - we have a pretty interesting history from DDO and on here. However, he has been helpful to town thinking of all the possibilities and asking Warren about them trying to gain more information for us in hopes of narrowing the possibilities
Mharman - Town if and only if Club is town —> He’s been adamant about saving Club my top scum read atm. He has flip flopped this DP on whether Fake Poisoner is possible or if it’s actually a Poisoner. Not to mention he doesn’t seem to know what an active role is, even though he’s a Universal Backup.
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@bsh1
In that case, there is no poison doctor and only a fake poisoner. I doubt warren would include a fake-only poisoner, because it would allow mafia to essentially role-confirm a role which did not exist. Such a situation would be highly convoluted. It seems more likely to me that there is a poison doctor, precisely because warren doesn't strike me as the kind of mod to play those kinds of games.
Warren doesn’t strike me as a mod who’d give Mafia 2 killing roles either bud. It has to be that a fake poisoner exists.
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@bsh1
Post 184
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@ILikePie5
Warren doesn’t strike me as a mod who’d give Mafia 2 killing roles either bud. It has to be that a fake poisoner exists.
Right now, we don't know what mafia has. As I think I said to Mhar, there may be something important about the even/odd cycles. So far, we have not seen two deaths in the same night phase, so why are you so apparently confident that there are two killing roles?
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@ILikePie5
Are you claiming to be a second poisoner?All I can say is I have the power to kill scum. Not gonna say how though, let them think about it.
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@ILikePie5
Phione - Null —> Dude claims to be from Town of Salem but won’t help at all, but he hasn’t posted much to develop a readSupaDudz - Null —> Hasn’t posted at all, hard to know if he’s scum or townWaterPhoenix - Null —> Hasn’t posted much and only OMGUSOromagi - Lean Scum —> Posted early on in the DPs but then disappears. Plus he’s experienced so he should be helping. And I think he’s levi_smiles from DDO who has a history of pulling this bs if I remember correctly.
Why are you null reading Phione, Supa, and Water because they "haven't posted much," but not null reading Oro for the same reason?
Unvote.
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@ILikePie5
This is literally a lie. You never townread Club.Club - Scum —> I town read him at first, but after Warren’s revelation, I scumread him
I'll be back in a bit.
Official Vote Count
Mharman: 1/6 (wylted)
Pie: 3/6 (Club, Speed, mharman)
Wylted also voted for Pie at one point, but I was not on between now and then. For reference, Wylted's votes will only count at the time I post them, not when he sends them. He has been aware of this. If I did it otherwise, the thread would not know where his vote was, and it could lead to an accidental hammer.
If you believe I have made a mistake please let me know. There are approximately 19 hours remaining.
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@bsh1
so why are you so apparently confident that there are two killing roles?
I don’t lol.
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@bsh1
OK I'm online, funny because as soon as I got on warren came on and answered all of my questions, prepare for a lot of info, I gotta catch up though so one second
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@bsh1
Are you claiming to be a second poisoner?
Nope
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@bsh1
Why are you null reading Phione, Supa, and Water because they "haven't posted much," but not null reading Oro for the same reason?
Cause I think he’s levi_smiles from DDO and he does that all time. It’s his scum signature. Plus he’s posted more than the other 3
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@bsh1
This is literally a lie. You never townread Club.
I seem to recall saying Club is town countless times - in fact you’ve been one to point that out lol
VTL Mharman
Club isn’t a lynch target even though he’s my top choice. Mharman is next.
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@bsh1
What if Wylted is scum...and Club fake poisoned him to make it otherwise? Then they both look like town after Club claims poison doctor! Read Water's analysis, he asks if Wylted is ok, like he knows Wylted is doing something wrongExplain how Water's analysis fits in here?
Forget that theory, we know Club basically has to be town
What if Wylted is scum...and Club fake poisoned him to make it otherwise? Then they both look like town after Club claims poison doctor!This would mean that Club and Wylted are both scum. This would require Club to be a fake poisoner and for Wylted to be on the same scum team as Club. I don't think this is likely due to balance considerations. I've just gone through the DP and put together a claims list.
Forget it, I appreciate the claims though
Why does the fact that "a poisoner who can fake poison exists" entail that "Wylted is the poisoner who can fake poison."
Thisssss, ALTHOUGH warren told me that poisoners and fake poisoners can poison themselves...food for thought
This logic only holds if we conflate "fake poisoner" with "poisoner who can also fake poison". These aren't the same.
Gotcha, I'll consider that in my future evaluations
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@ILikePie5
I seem to recall saying Club is town countless times
That's laughable. Need I remind you that you spent all of last DP tunneling Club? Can you point to your townreads of him?
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@Mharman
My theory is this. Wylted actually poisoned himself guessing there was a poison doctor, and a townie Club was none the wiser and saved him.
So, you legitimately think that mafia would have poisoned one of their own on the off-chance that they'd get rescued. That would be an asinine gambit even by Wylted's standards. Your remark here reads like a desperate attempt to shove the lynch onto someone who is--rationally speaking--not likely mafia.
Active role, as in unused. If Disc used his BP, than he would’ve reverted back to vanilla, which would explain why I didn’t inherit his role. Because he already used it.
I can only interpret this as a deliberate misuse of terms. That is NOT and NEVER has been what "active" means in the context of mafia roles.
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@bsh1
Look up Voltorb...I think it's pretty obvious what Pie's role claim is from that description
I can paste it here if you want, not sure if you want me to out him though
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@bsh1
It almost reads like you have inside information that you're trying to sell as a big revelation in order to get towncred. That would fit with you acting like you don't understand the active/passive distinction and with the push on Wylted, which I just am not getting when I really think about it.
Thissssssss
Mharman - Town if and only if Club is town —> He’s been adamant about saving Club my top scum read atm. He has flip flopped this DP on whether Fake Poisoner is possible or if it’s actually a Poisoner. Not to mention he doesn’t seem to know what an active role is, even though he’s a Universal Backup.
I call lynching Pie
Everytime lynching Mharman has been brought up, Pie's avoided it. He always goes back to Club. We've basically proved Club is town and he still goes to scum on him? And he ignores the fact that Mharman apparently doesn't understand his own role...
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@Speedrace
Voltorb doesn't make sense as a poisoner. I might have a few guesses, but I would have liked for Pie to have disabused me of the notion himself, because if he was thinking of claiming poisoner, that would have been, IMO, the nail in the coffin in terms of my scumread of him.
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@Speedrace
Are you thinking then that Mhar and Pie are teammates?Everytime lynching Mharman has been brought up, Pie's avoided it. He always goes back to Club. We've basically proved Club is town and he still goes to scum on him? And he ignores the fact that Mharman apparently doesn't understand his own role...
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@bsh1
Ok I'm just gonna out him because I'm impatient
Straight from the wiki: (Voltorb) It has a volatile temperament and will explode if bumped or agitated.
Sound familiar?
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@bsh1
Precisely...I've alluded to it before, but Pie's blatant insistence on his position? I just don't like it
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@ILikePie5
Full claim.
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@bsh1
Right now, we don't know what mafia has. As I think I said to Mhar, there may be something important about the even/odd cycles. So far, we have not seen two deaths in the same night phase, so why are you so apparently confident that there are two killing roles?
Don't we know that there are two though? Grey died, and we were never told that he was poisoned. That had to be some type of killing role, though, right?