Was Jesus a liar and a lunatic?

So, even though Scripture gives these honest examples of dissent it does not present an unfavourable reading of who Jesus is and what He came to do overall, but more of what some of the JEWS of the day perceived Him.

Scriptural  verses that declared Jesus a demon possessed lunatic.

John 10:20 Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?"

Mark 3:21 when his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."

Jesus was deluded and believed God spoke through him.

John 12:49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

But when the people listened to the words he spoke they did not understand him, even his disciples struggled to understand him. Jesus had to explain to them in secret what he was saying in his parables. But he explained with more parables which suggests God was also incoherent and inarticulate and failed to communicate through Jesus. But we know God turned Moses who was slow in speech and mind into a leader and messenger. The problem was Jesus not God.

Mark 4:34 He did not say anything to them without using a parable. But when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything.

Jesus was a notorious liar. Even John the Baptist expressed his doubts to Jesus and asked Jesus if he was really the promised one.

Jesus lied when he said John the Baptist was Elijah. John denied he was Elijah.

Here are the scriptures to back my claims. Jesus said John was Elijah, John denies he is Elijah.

Matthew 11:14

And if you are willing to accept what I say, he is Elijah, the one the prophets said would come.

In John 1:6"8 and John 1:19"28, John the Baptist denies he is Elijah. Yet in Matthew 17:9"13, Jesus implies that he was. Isn't this a contradiction?

John 1:21"They asked him, "Then who are you? Are you Elijah?"

He said, "I am not."

"Are you the Prophet?"

He answered, "No."

John expresses doubts Jesus is the promised one.

Matthew 11:2"When John, who was in prison, heard about the deeds of the Messiah, he sent his disciples 3"to ask him, "Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else?"

Jesus expresses his own doubts on the cross.

Matthew 27:46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").

We know Jesus was crucified for his blasphemous lies.

Jesus did not fulfill any prophesies. By his own account he did not come to change the laws of the prophets. He proved he was subjected to the laws even in his life and thereby validating the Mosaic law given to the Jews by God.

According to the Jewish law:

Deuteronomy 18:20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death."

It is clear Jesus did not fulfill the prophesies. Instead, He was subjected to the law and put to death as demanded of false prophets according to Mosaic law.

Jesus lied that he was to be sacrificed.

Human sacrifice was forbidden by God. So Jesus was not sacrificed.

Many argue Jesus's death was prophesied. But even Jesus's prophesies were not fulfilled.

1. Matthew 10:23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Jesus never fulfilled that promise.

2. Matthew 24:34

Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

2000 years have passed and many generation have gone by yet his promise remains unfulfilled.

Jesus was a liar and a lunatic before and after his death. Unfortunately he could only be crucified once.

So why are Christians turning God into a liar and lunatic or turning a liar and lunatic into a God?

As a Vedantist raised in the Vedantuc tradition and trained in the reading of esoteric scriptures, Christian Theology and Islamic fundamentalist, I am not at liberty to speculate outside of scriptures. And the scriptures are clear that Jesus was tried, convicted and put to death for his blasphemous lies and lunacy.

So why are Christians perpetrating the delusions of a Jewish rabbi who was put to death for his delusional blasphemous lies?

We have to turn to our experts in tbe field of human behaviour. As a student of the behavioural sciences (CBT) I have also explored a diagnostic approach.

Kathleen Taylor, Neuroscientist, Says Religious Fundamentalism Could Be Treated As A Mental Illness - Huffington Post

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Harikrish,

OMG!  With a dossier that you have shown regarding the exposed FAKE Christian, Dr. C&P Franklin, the embarrassment may be overwhelming for him, therefore, we can only expect a moniker name change by him to save further embarrassment.  Sad indeed.

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That's the funny thing.

No one knows who or what Jesus actually was.

That's assuming that he actually existed.

The reliability of subsequent hand me down tales will inevitably be questionable.

Best case is that he was a bloke who gave a lot of credence to the Idea of supernatural entity/deity, so much so that he considered himself the son of a GOD.

Which if you think about it, was a reasonable conclusion for any theistically/deistically inspired person.

And if he was charismatic enough, he could undoubtedly inspire others to follow.

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Data transfer and formative conditioning can easily perpetuate a myth. Especially when there's wealth and power up for grabs.

Who and what Jesus actually was, is not known. As things stand, he is just a character from hand-me-down Middle Eastern tales.

Two billion people are easily be trained to bleat like sheep

Jesus belonged to a country, spoke Aramaic , was a carpenters son, followed Judaism, religious reformer, 

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Jesus was perhaps, from a region, spoke a language, was someone's son, and was probably taught a deistic fantasy ideology which he decided was important.

Sort of a very typically conditioned human.

And we agree that he was not the biological son of a GOD, but the biological son of a carpenter.

Good, we have reached common ground.

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No.

I'm just a human being, who like everyone else has no way of knowing what went on all those billions of years ago at the point of creation.

Tales from 2000 years ago are what they are.

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We actually know nothing of the Jesus character. Other than second hand accounts written into unverifiable folk myths.

Similarly, remote debateart users will actually know nothing of each other. 

Even a full profile can only be taken at face value. It's also often quite evident that some profiles are blatantly phoney.

Nonetheless, odds are that I do actually exist.

And odds are that a lot of the unverifiable myth is phoney.

And odds are that 2000 years ago a carpenter did have a son, who spoke the language he was taught and followed the religion he was taught.

So put two and two together and come up with five.

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I did actually submit a full profile when I first joined Dart, but it was erased for some reason, and I have never renewed it.

Though as I said, profiles can only be taken at face value anyway, as we have no way of verifying the information.

And as I also said, we actually know nothing about the Jesus character other than second-hand tales, contained within a narrative that is undeniably mythical.

Accepting such unverifiable tales as fact is no different to accepting phoney profiles as fact.

So, the character was a Jewish carpenter's son from the Middle East who spoke the regional language and was interested in the regional religion.

So, prove to me that all these details are actually true and relative to an individual whose name was Jesus.

But once again you admit that Jesus was the son of a carpenter and not the son of a GOD. So, you are also admitting that certain aspects of Jesus's profile, were in fact phoney.

Which would therefore infer that all of Jesus's latterly made-up profile was probably all phoney.

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As I suggested, post-dated narrative.

Though I have never stated that a relevant character never existed.

I have only ever sated that such narrative is unverifiable.

Though my real contention with any theistic/deistic narrative is the fantasy stuff.

So, assuming that a Jesus character actually existed, then was he a liar and a lunatic?

Who knows.?

Perhaps he was just an ordinary bloke, who put a lot of time and effort into a fantasy creation hypothesis.

And as we know there a plenty of people about today, who still do that sort of thing.

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@Shila

Nope, that's just wishful thinking on the part of the believer.

Red ink, green ink, purple ink can't alter the fact that there is absolutely no first-hand record of the utterances of a Jesus character who might have existed 2000 years ago.

Sorry, but all accounts are word of mouth reinterpretations of reinterpretations subsequently recorded to a written narrative sometime after an unverifiable event.

As such, it is more than likely that these accounts rendered to folk tales, were vastly exaggerated and embellished with fantasy.

Such is what religion is and what religion becomes.

Myth.

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@Shila

The gospels were not the words of Jesus though. Such was/is the process of data transfer and reinterpretation in the absence of sound recording.

And Peter and Paul would have been very old if they were still around in the second century.

And if they actually existed, I doubt that their names were Peter and Paul

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Shila, 

YOUR QUOTE: "Because the Gospels are eyewitness accounts ofJesus and his teachings they quote the actual words spoken by Jesus."

You are correct, you ungodly woman that is not supposed to be within this Religion forum to begin with!  That being biblically said, JESUS SAID: “I tell you that everyone who has will be given more; but the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. And these enemies of mine who were unwilling for me to rule over them, "bring them here and slay them in front of me." After Jesus had said this, He went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem.….” ( Luke 19:26-28)

Yes, the above KILLING statement by our Jesus is relative to His Second Coming. Nevertheless, Jesus promoted His disciples to bring anyone that did not want Jesus to rule over them to KILL these people in front of Jesus, therefore Jesus was an accomplice to this killing act!

Shila Bible fool, do we still promote Jesus as an ever loving and forgiving God (1 Timothy 3:15-16) because of what He said in the passage in question?  Or, do we just accept that Jesus is a serial killer within the scriptures and admit that we worship an horrific serial killer God of the innocents, like within the Great Flood that He enacted that murdered innocent zygotes, fetus' and babies?

Bible fool Shila, when are you going to actually READ the JUDEO-Christian Bible and understand that your position here is to STFU and remain silent towards the man that outright own you and what you do? “But I suffer not a woman to teach, NOR TO USURP THE AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN, but to be in silence.” (Timothy 2:12) 

NEXT DUMBFOUNDED OF THE BIBLE LIKE THE HELL BOUND WOMAN "SHILA" WILL BE ...?

Bible fool Shila, when are you going to actually READ the JUDEO-Christian Bible and understand that your position here is to STFU and remain silent towards the man that outright own you and what you do? “But I suffer not a woman to teach, NOR TO USURP THE AUTHORITY OVER THE MAN, but to be in silence.” (Timothy 2:12) 

Remember Tradesecret stepping into this hole in being a WOMAN and then trying in vain to dig herself out of hole that she created as she changed genders umpteenth times? LOL!