Was Jesus a liar and a lunatic?

OT is much more honest than NT so god of the world is the correct answer if the fictional world of the Bible were true.

So, even though Scripture gives these honest examples of dissent it does not present an unfavourable reading of who Jesus is and what He came to do overall, but more of what some of the JEWS of the day perceived Him.

So, even though Scripture gives these honest examples of dissent it does not present an unfavourable reading of who Jesus is and what He came to do overall, but more of what some of the JEWS of the day perceived Him.

Let us test your conclusion.

1. Jesus said he was sent only to save the lost sheep of Israel

Matthew 15:24 He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

But we know the Jews rejected Jesus and asked that he be crucified.

Luke 23:21 but they kept shouting, "Crucify Him! Crucify Him!"

2. [1] Jesus divided the Jews even further. [2] The Romans replaced judaism the religion that Jesus followed with The Roman Catholic Church. [3] They replace the Holy Temple with the Roman Catholic Church. They destroyed Jerusalem and scattered the Jews from their homeland.

3. Jesus blamed God for his failures.

Matthew 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken Me?" 

So even though Scripture gives these honest examples of dissent it does not present an unfavourable reading of who Jesus is and what He came to do overall, but more of what some of the JEWS of the day perceived Him.

Your whole presentation is full of fallacious, esoteric reasoning and dishonest cherry-picking, conflating and collapsing context, and reading into Scripture things it does not teach in the fuller context.

I invite anyone who will follow the links to see that Harikrish is conflating and confusing the teachings of Scripture, thus, he is a false teacher, someone to be wary of and ignore.

That is true. He was sent to the lost sheep, to save the remnant and bring judgment on those who REJECTED Him as their Messiah, Redeemer, and Savior.

To fulfill what was prophesied (Isaiah 53; Zecharias 12, esp. v 10-11, for instance).

[1] Exactly! He divided them because most were against God. For centuries they practiced idolatry and would not follow God's ways, even after He sent multiple prophets and teachers to warn them of coming judgment and wrath if they did not repent. (Matthew 10:34; Mark 2:17).

[2] The means of the Romans were God's chosen means of judgment.

[3] No, God replaced the Old Covenant with a new and better covenant because the people were incapable of living up to that which they had agreed to do. The Old Covenant was ready to pass away and did 40-years after Jesus was crucified, per God's grace and mercy.

Jesus became a human being to fulfill everything that humanity had not been able to fulfill in regard to God's word and the Old Covenant. Thus, taking on humanity He did not use His godly prerogatives or else what was done would not be done solely in the power and righteousness of a human being.  

Thus, acting in His human capacity He was subjected to judgment and God's wrath to fulfill God's righteousness and appease His wrath for sinfulness. Over and over in the NT, we read of what Jesus did on behalf of those who would believe in His righteous sacrifice. Not only that, there is a juxtaposition between the OT of works of righteousness and God's grace through Jesus Christ in doing what we could not do - meet the righteous standard of God on our own accord.

During His first coming, He came to make atonement for the sins of those who would believe in Him. Thus, He forgave them for this sin, yet held them accountable during His Second Coming in AD 70 for their rejection of Him and all those He had sent to them.

[1] He was called many things by those who did not believe in Him. So what? What do the Scriptures teach? They teach the opposite of what you are teaching. Thus, if you lived during the 1st-century Galatians 1:6-8 would have applied to you.

As a human, He lived in obedience to fulfill all God's righteous requirements of humanity. So what?

True. He became human to do this. Thus, in addition to His godhood, He took on human nature. In the One Person of Jesus, there are two natures.

The fulfillment of the seventy weeks of years is explained quite well and detailed by Philip Mauro (for anyone interested).

He was acting in His humanity to fulfill all righteousness, thus as already explained in Philippians 2:5-8 and Hebrews 2, He acted solely in His before resurrection appearances as a human being, not using His godly prerogative but relying on the Father and the Spirit.

And, in His human capacity, He explains to THEM all things that will happen but not the exact day or hour of the occurrence, just the signs that would lead up to His coming again.

Jesus also tells them elsewhere that when the Spirit, whom He will send, comes to them He [the Spirit] will guide them into all truth. He will take what is known by Him [Jesus] and the Father and transfer it to them. 

Their hearts, ears, and eyes were not open to their Savior as stated over and over again in the NT, as prophesied in the OT.

You are mistaken and do not know the Scriptures in your deception.

Yet he asked God to forgive the Romans after he insulted God.

Luke 23:34 Then Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up His garments by casting lots.

During His first coming, He came to make atonement for the sins of those who would believe in Him. Thus, He forgave them for this sin, yet held them accountable during His Second Coming in AD 70 for their rejection of Him and all those He had sent to them.

But his first coming was to save the house of Israel the Jews!!

4.[1] Jesus was a liar before and after his death.

Before: Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

[1] He was called many things by those who did not believe in Him. So what? What do the Scriptures teach? They teach the opposite of what you are teaching. Thus, if you lived during the 1st-century Galatians 1:6-8 would have applied to you.

The scriptures tell us Jesus was rejected by the Jews. He was mocked, beaten and ridiculed by the Romans and finally crucifie.

But scriptures tell us Jesus lives in his father's house and works as a house keeper preparing rooms for guests.

John 14:My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

As a human, He lived in obedience to fulfill all God's righteous requirements of humanity. So what?

Jesus said all authority was given to him, yet he ends up a housekeeper in heaven preparing rooms for  guests.

5. Jesus claimed he was sent by God to fulfill the laws of the prophets.

True. He became human to do this. Thus, in addition to His godhood, He took on human nature. In the One Person of Jesus, there are two natures.

Why did he pick the worst human qualities? Jesus was despised, ugly and held in low esteem. He behaved like a demon possessed madman.

Daniel 9:25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’In the middle of the ‘seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the templehe will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

The fulfillment of the seventy weeks of years is explained quite well and detailed by Philip Mauro (for anyone interested).

When Jesus was asked when these things would happen he was clueless.

He was acting in His humanity to fulfill all righteousness, thus as already explained in Philippians 2:5-8 and Hebrews 2, He acted solely in His before resurrection appearances as a human being, not using His godly prerogative but relying on the Father and the Spirit.

Matthew 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

And, in His human capacity, He explains to THEM all things that will happen but not the exact day or hour of the occurrence, just the signs that would lead up to His coming again.

it was Daniels prophecy. Jesus was not aware of its details. He could only shrug his shoulders.

Jesus also tells them elsewhere that when the Spirit, whom He will send, comes to them He [the Spirit] will guide them into all truth. He will take what is known by Him [Jesus] and the Father and transfer it to them. 

That was necessary because Jesus was incoherent and spoke mostly in parables that no one understood.

Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Is it any wonder that Peter lied about Jesus and Judas betray him.

Explained above.

The Jews rejected Jesus and the Romans crucified him?

Their hearts, ears, and eyes were not open to their Savior as stated over and over again in the NT, as prophesied in the OT.

Daniels said the Romans would cut him off. The Jews met all the conditions set in Daniel. Jesus could not stop the Romans.

Is it any wonder that 2 billion Christians picked a demon possessed madman a liar and lunatic to die for their sins. Only Christians believe an illegitimate Jewish bastard name Jesus died for their sins 2000 years ago.

Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups.

You are mistaken and do not know the Scriptures in your deception.

Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.                --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >  [Yours]

Ah, yes, the great scholar who knows nothing and misleads any who would be daft enough to believe his lack of guidance!  ----------> [Mine]

My research data matches the conclusion. Jesus was rejected and crucified because he was a blasphemous liar and a lunatic. ------> [Yours]

Even the Pope declared Jesus a failure and the cross the great failure of God.

FROM HARIKRISH:

i left out the quote in your last comment. But long replies clutters the format.

Yet he asked God to forgive the Romans after he insulted God.

Luke 23:34 Then Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up His garments by casting lots.

During His first coming, He came to make atonement for the sins of those who would believe in Him. Thus, He forgave them for this sin, yet held them accountable during His Second Coming in AD 70 for their rejection of Him and all those He had sent to them.

But his first coming was to save the house of Israel the Jews!!

4.[1] Jesus was a liar before and after his death.

Before: Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

[1] He was called many things by those who did not believe in Him. So what? What do the Scriptures teach? They teach the opposite of what you are teaching. Thus, if you lived during the 1st-century Galatians 1:6-8 would have applied to you.

The scriptures tell us Jesus was rejected by the Jews. He was mocked, beaten and ridiculed by the Romans and finally crucifie.

But scriptures tell us Jesus lives in his father's house and works as a house keeper preparing rooms for guests.

John 14:My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

As a human, He lived in obedience to fulfill all God's righteous requirements of humanity. So what?

Jesus said all authority was given to him, yet he ends up a housekeeper in heaven preparing rooms for  guests.

5. Jesus claimed he was sent by God to fulfill the laws of the prophets.

True. He became human to do this. Thus, in addition to His godhood, He took on human nature. In the One Person of Jesus, there are two natures.

Why did he pick the worst human qualities? Jesus was despised, ugly and held in low esteem. He behaved like a demon possessed madman.

Daniel 9:25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’In the middle of the ‘seven he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the templehe will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

The fulfillment of the seventy weeks of years is explained quite well and detailed by Philip Mauro (for anyone interested).

When Jesus was asked when these things would happen he was clueless.

He was acting in His humanity to fulfill all righteousness, thus as already explained in Philippians 2:5-8 and Hebrews 2, He acted solely in His before resurrection appearances as a human being, not using His godly prerogative but relying on the Father and the Spirit.

Matthew 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”

And, in His human capacity, He explains to THEM all things that will happen but not the exact day or hour of the occurrence, just the signs that would lead up to His coming again.

it was Daniels prophecy. Jesus was not aware of its details. He could only shrug his shoulders.

Jesus also tells them elsewhere that when the Spirit, whom He will send, comes to them He [the Spirit] will guide them into all truth. He will take what is known by Him [Jesus] and the Father and transfer it to them. 

That was necessary because Jesus was incoherent and spoke mostly in parables that no one understood.

Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Is it any wonder that Peter lied about Jesus and Judas betray him.

Explained above.

The Jews rejected Jesus and the Romans crucified him?

Their hearts, ears, and eyes were not open to their Savior as stated over and over again in the NT, as prophesied in the OT.

Daniels said the Romans would cut him off. The Jews met all the conditions set in Daniel. Jesus could not stop the Romans.

Is it any wonder that 2 billion Christians picked a demon possessed madman a liar and lunatic to die for their sins. Only Christians believe an illegitimate Jewish bastard name Jesus died for their sins 2000 years ago.

Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups.

You are mistaken and do not know the Scriptures in your deception.

Harikrish biblical scholar and spiritual leader.

Ah, yes, the great scholar who knows nothing and misleads any who would be daft enough to believe his lack of guidance!

My research data matches the conclusion. Jesus was rejected and crucified because he was a blasphemous liar and a lunatic.

Even the Pope declared Jesus a failure and the cross the great failure of God.

If you are insinuating I am Jesus, you are wrong.

The thread title is asking if Jesus is me?

R/Swoosh

Not even Jesus can help you with this one mate.

The thread title is asking if Jesus is me?

The Kalam Cosmological Argument

Theists commonly refer to the KCA when arguing for the existence of a deity.

It is a pretty big philosophical claim, and there is a lot to debate about the premises it raises.

A whole debate can easily center around debunking this argument, however since the resolution is broader than this argument itself, I'll try to summarize the rebuttals into a few key points.The KCA is self- refuting, The first cause, and the KCA being an argument from ignorance.

If we are to grant that everything has a cause, and still make a case for a God to have created everything, the cosmological argument than has to explain how the deity exists; which is why the KCA uses strict verbiage in it's premises.

The first premise, if accepted "Whatever begins to exist has a cause", frames the argument specifically to cater towards a pre-conceived agenda for theism.

We can specifically the word "Begins" to see this, suggesting that a God already existed. Obviously the question then is, if nothing was needed to cause a God, how does God surpass the 'irrefutable' logic of causation in the following premises?

What is the first actually is the first cause? A proper agnostic-atheistic answer would be that the first cause was created by natural scientific causes that we as humans (simple animals) cannot grasp or understand at our current stage of scientific research.

For Fundamentalists and Apologists to say this is a God, simply due to a lack of understanding seems then, rather fallacious thinking, as we are attributing unknown wonder to that a being with wondrous power, that translates so much into other aspect of human lifestyle, like religious theism.

 What we are wrongly assuming, is that whatever this mystical non-understood potentially scientific or natural process is, people who advocate for the KCA's accuracy assume that since we cannot quantify it currently in our realm of understanding, that it is an all powerful deity who controls every aspect of material existence.

Not only is this an argument from ignorance, isn't this also a false dichotomy to assume that everything was created from nothing, or a God? Why can't there be a plethora of other unknown options attributed to the amazing phenomena of life?

My best answer to explain this jump in conclusion, is we are forming opinions based on historical mythology and social constructs already in place from media outlets and learned behaviors.

It is also asking if Jesus was "a" Lunatic, as if there are more of you. Are you a clone? 

When is your friend Liar going to get here? Is he also a robot?

I find this highly suspicious. Clearly you and your friend (who is yet absent, probably busy setting up a sniper position while you keep us all distracted, I don't doubt) are planning a takeover with your robot clone armies who may or may not be named Jesus.

We all know Jesus was explicitly anti-robot-clone-army, it was the last thing he said to his disciples at the Last Supper.

If you are insinuating I am Jesus, you are wrong.