"Religious Freedom" = Discrimination = Hate

The design itself was never even discussed in the gay wedding case.

what difference that does make, he had a religious objection for it's intended purpose, not that he even needed to give a reason.

The objection wasn't based on religious reasons, BECAUSE "THE BIBLE" DOESN'T PROHIBIT SELLING OR MAKING THINGS FOR SINNERS.

But it WAS NOT a victory for "religious freedom" it was a victory for "artistic expression" = "free speech".

The objection wasn't based on the design BECAUSE THE DESIGN WASN'T EVEN DISCUSSED.

So basically this cake guy imagines he is personally endorsing every message on every cake he designs. 

The objection wasn't based on religious reasons, BECAUSE "THE BIBLE" DOESN'T PROHIBIT SELLING OR MAKING THINGS FOR SINNERS.

is there only one interpretation of the bible?  because there are numerous bible based churches, they must not agree 100% and yet they are recognized as separate and independent churches, even though they use the same book.

But it WAS NOT a victory for "religious freedom" it was a victory for "artistic expression" = "free speech".

as it should have been, thus my contention that no reason needs to be given.

The objection wasn't based on the design BECAUSE THE DESIGN WASN'T EVEN DISCUSSED.

right as I interpret it, the objection was on the intent, the premade cakes he never intended for gay weddings so I guess he rationalized that if they purchased one and used it for something other than HE intended his conscious was clear.

So basically this cake guy imagines he is personally endorsing every message on every cake he designs. 

sure, whatever you create is part of you, a direct reflection of you, how could it be otherwise?  People want homemade/handmade things vs machine made for that personal touch.

If you setup and cater a KKK banquette aren't you supporting the KKK, either directly or indirectly by adding your creativity and personal touch?

Wait, because you think one's a "choice"?

So you're totally fine with discrimination based on someone's religion because that's also clearly a "choice"?

BECAUSE "THE BIBLE" DOESN'T PROHIBIT SELLING OR MAKING THINGS FOR SINNERS.

Please present any Church doctrine that prohibits selling and making things for sinners or gays.  Show me the text.

When you say "conscience" it certainly makes it sound religious...

If you buy Sea Monkeys, aren't you either directly or indirectly supporting the KKK?

If I ran a catering company, or rented event space TO THE PUBLIC, and I was asked to serve an obvious KKK event (they usually don't tell you upfront), I would either close my business, simply refuse to serve them (and run a pretty small risk of being sued) [LINK] OR, OPEN A PRIVATE CLUB.

I don't like using the word discrimination, because I think it is a loaded word. If you can tell something apart from another, you are discriminating.

Yes, I discriminate based on religion. So does my church. If you were to walk in to my church, you would not be allowed to partake of the eucharist. This is not because we are mean, it is because you are not Orthodox Christian.

When I got married, I married someine nb of the opposite sex as me. I did this because I was being discriminatory. I would not have married someone of the same sex.

I don't believe that something like homosexuality is an innate thing.

One isn't a thief for desiring to take things that don't belong to them. One isn't a homosexual for desiring to have sexual relations with someine of the same sex.

And just as a repentant thief no longer has to be a thief, someone who repents of homosexuality no longer has to be a homosexual.

Race and sexual orientation are not the same. One is a matter of choice one genetics.

BECAUSE "THE BIBLE" DOESN'T PROHIBIT SELLING OR MAKING THINGS FOR SINNERS.

The idea that he is refusing to make cake for sinners, or any grouping of people, HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN.  

Masterpiece Cakeshop will happily create custom cakes for anyone. But like many cake artists, Jack cannot create all custom cakes. He cannot create custom cakes that express messages or celebrate events that conflict with his religious beliefs. [LINK]

I don't like using the word discrimination, because I think it is a loaded word. If you can tell something apart from another, you are discriminating.

The entire discussion is about a business right to deny service.

BECAUSE "THE BIBLE" DOESN'T PROHIBIT SELLING OR MAKING THINGS FOR SINNERS.

The idea that he is refusing to make cake for sinners, or any grouping of people, HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN.  

The cake guy said he didn't approve of gay marriage.  So that has been "proven".

He also said he was a Christian, but that must have been an non-sequitur.

Oh wait,

Masterpiece Cakeshop will happily create custom cakes for anyone. But like many cake artists, Jack cannot create all custom cakes. He cannot create custom cakes that express messages or celebrate events that conflict with his religious beliefs. [LINK]

KABOOM!!!!

You should not be forced or threatened into a contract that you don't wish to be a part of, that's fascist and maybe communism. 

Masterpiece Cakeshop will happily create custom cakes for anyone. But like many cake artists, Jack cannot create all custom cakes. He cannot create custom cakes that express messages or celebrate events that conflict with his religious beliefs. [LINK]

KABOOM!!!!

What is the explosion a reference to?  Why is "religious" emboldened?

The idea that he is refusing to make cake for sinners, or any grouping of people, HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN.  

Masterpiece Cakeshop will happily create custom cakes for anyone. But like many cake artists, Jack cannot create all custom cakes. He cannot create custom cakes that express messages or celebrate events that conflict with his religious beliefs. [LINK]

KABOOM!!!!

What is the explosion a reference to?  Why is "religious" emboldened?

This is the cake man from the court case.  This is his website.  This is the current text.

HE CLAIMS THAT HE CANNOT CREATE CUSTOM CAKES THAT EXPRESS MESSAGES OR CELEBRATE EVENTS THAT CONFLICT WITH HIS RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

Religious is highlighted in bold text for emphasis. 

You suggested he refused for "no reason" or "personal reasons", but his website actually says religious beliefs.

Watching your wording there, nice.  The last thing you want to do is use a loaded word. 

You " discriminate "  based on religion.   This comment is going straight in my ( Mopac file ) for later use. 

 

Do you Orthodox Christians have a special way of indicating your a ortodox chistians?   

It sounds like you, a special handshake maybe.. 

I reckon i could easy look like a orthodox Christian.  Actually mopac. Stuff it.  For the next five minutes after i send this post i will actually be a ortodox Christian. 

Ready for this ?

And my time startssssssssssssssss now

Religious beliefs are personal reasons, and the idea that he refused sinners is disproven in the claim in the first sentence, now underlined.  

I did not suggest, there was "no reason". 

I believe there was no such standard in his case, and that's part of why he was continually harassed.

None of this really has any bearing on my opinion that comparing race to sexual orientation is asinine.

At least one of these things can be kept in the closet.

Second Circuit Says Sexual Orientation Is Protected Under Title VII

With a broader circuit split, this case will almost certainly give the high court another opportunity to resolve the issue. [LINK]

I am arguing that the government should not tell us to choose between betraying our faith and obeying the government.

Please explain how any form of either Fascism or Communism forces people to bake gay wedding cakes.

We certainly do not acknowledge homosexual marri as being a reality.

Please explain how any form of either Fascism or Communism forces people to bake gay wedding cakes.

you being unnecessarily obstinate,  highlighted for emphasis of which contracting for a custom cake in included.

be pedantic, that's fine.

Exactly how is "serving homosexuals" a "betrayal of your faith"?

THEREFORE, you must also refuse to make cakes for other SINNERS, like adulterers and divorcees and Sabbath violators.

Because there is nothing in "The Bible" that makes homosexuality any different than any of those other sins.