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@Discipulus_Didicit
omg my fucking ribs hurt, that's fucking hilarious!!! High five man. I couldn't have done it better myself.
Ask an idiot
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@Mopac
You know, just because it is news to you that this is always what the church has understood God to be doesn't mean that it is the arbitrary thing you are making it.
Tell me more about how you won't call the universe God but get really pissed off when I don't call the universe God then tell me what the dictionary definition of 'hypocrisy' is.
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@BrutalTruth
He's going to say that the dictionary definition of Santa doesn't say Santa is Christmas, just that he is associated with Christmas. He is going to completely ignore the part about language being a social construct for communication which is not dependant on the existence of dictionaries as if I never brought that point up. He'll continue to pretend that I am completely clueless as to what his point is despite having said it like a broken record over 1000 times and continue to pretend that I am completely clueless about Orthodox Christianity despite over half my family being Orthodox Christians (bonus points if "they just aren't good Orthodox Christians")
Not that he is totally predictable or anything, just a lucky guess ;-).
Atheist arguments are contingent on bad language. That is why they can only play semantic games and mock those who point out that none of their arguments stand when the light of truth is shed on them.
And it can be plainly seen that these people don't care about the truth, they only care about appearances. That is why they refuse to accept that what I am saying is completely reasonable. They won't even acknowledge that. They think that if you don't understand as they do that you are stupid. It should be apparent to anyone with discernment that this comes from hubris, not any love of the truth or any love of the person they are speaking to.
I am subjecting myself to this out of love. If I had as negative a view of these people as they had of me, I would not waste my time trying to convince them of anything. Arguing gives me no pleasure.
Rather than understand, they prefer to condemn. I do not condemn them. I suffer for their sakes. They condemn me and my people.
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@Mopac
Needless to say, I feel pretty secure over here havong the dictionary on my side.
But the dictionary isn't on your side. Argumentum ad dictionarium, and argument from false authority.
I guess you have a false sense of security. For your argument, saying the dictionary is on your side is like saying apple pie is on your side when you're being shot at by snipers in a war zone. Are you ever going to accept that dictionaries do nothing for your argument at all?
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@Mopac
That is why they can only play semantic games and mock those who point out that none of their arguments stand when the light of truth is shed on them.
LOL?! Wow that is ironic coming from a guy who attempts to use word definitions(aka semantics) to prove his arguments. Does the hypocrisy never end?
I am not mad at any of these people. I feel very sincere pain. I see children destroying themselves, and laughing while they are doing it.
At this point, I have to believe this guy is trolling. I mean nobody is this fucking stupid and delusional.
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@Mopac
They condemn me and my people.
Citation needed.
Warning: persecution complex detected. Godwins law fulfillment imminent.
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@BrutalTruth
If you don't accept the definition then we aren't talking about the same thing.
This is common sense.
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@Mopac
Oh I accept the definition. The definition simply does nothing to prove your claims.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Considering atheistic governments have martyred over 20 million Orthodox Christians in the lasy century, I don't think my feelings are weird.
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@BrutalTruth
First time you ever acknowledged the definition.
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@Mopac
Considering atheistic governments have martyred over 20 million Orthodox Christians in the lasy [sic] century, I don't think that is weird.
You're right Mopac, the fact that I don't believe your God exists means I want you to be genocided and would totally never devote four years of my life to an organization sworn to defend against all enemies both foreign and domestic peoples right to worship however they please.
Flawless logic Mopac, truly nothing gets past you. Completely accurate and not offensive to me at all. *rolls eyes*
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@Mopac
First time you ever acknowledged the definition.
Absolutely not. Never once in the entirety of our exchanges with each other(even in our formal debate) have I ever denied the validity of the definition you presented. I have only ever shown how the definition of the word is irrelevant to your argument.
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@BrutalTruth
Oh I accept the definition. The definition simply does nothing to prove your claims.
It is actually worth noting that he doesn't really even agree with the dictionary whatsoever. I never pointed it out before because as I said I don't think the dictionary should be looked at as the be-all-end-all for how words are used due to language being a social construct but now that you mention it...
He says the definition is "Ultimate Reality = God"
The link he cites is this one:
He uses the text next to the number "1", but ignores the fact that that text is actually just supposed to be a precursor for the text next to the "a" and the "b". In other words there is no definition "1" - there are only definitions "1a" and "1b". Neither 1a nor 1b agree with the above bolded definition, only the incomplete "definition 1" does, but that isn't actually a definition on its own.
Looking up "ultimate reality"...
It makes references to Abrahamic religions gods as examples, with the wording making it pretty clear that according to the dictionary ULTIMATE REALITY is an aspect of God, not a synonym like Mopac claims.
Why does he use Merriam Webster instead of Oxford? Let's take a look...
No reference to the phrase 'ultimate reality' or even just the plain word 'reality' at all. Curious. Perhaps this is the reason Mopac converted to MW from Oxford?
Like I said the reason I never brought this up is because like you I don't think that anyone speaking English as a first language should lean on the dictionary as a crutch as heavily as Mopac does but as you can see even if one rejects the notion that language is a social construct and takes everything the dictionary says as absolute laws of nature Mopac's argument still has no ground to stand on.
So next time if you don't feel like actually putting in effort with the interaction just copy/paste the Oxford dictionary definitions at him. Food for thought.
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@Mopac
Without a doubt, God is the supreme, final, and fundamental power in all reality.
Contingent then on reality. BOOM.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
From the directions on how to use the dictionary...
A lightface colon following a definition and immediately preceding two or more subsenses indicates that the subsenses are subsumed by the preceding definitionThe word as may or may not follow the lightface colon. Its presence indicates that the following subsenses are typical or significant examples. Its absence indicates that the subsenses which follow are exhaustive.
So in case you don't understand what that means, God with a capital G means The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.
The Oxford uses the term "Supreme Being"
That means the same thing as "Ultimate Reality" if you have a proper understanding.
But beyond all of this dictionary stuff, my faith is older than the English language, and I know what we believe pretty well from studying not only scripture, but the writings of our saints and church fathers. I know what I believe in.
Without a doubt, God is The Ultimate Reality, and the saints and church fathers knew this very well. None of our discipline makes any sense without understanding God as The Truth.
So believe me, it is a waste of time to make a semantic argument with me, because I know what I am talking about. I am here to help you understand what I am talking about.
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@BrutalTruth
So you don't believe in absolute truth? Are you a nihilist?
Just trying to get where you are coming from.
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@Mopac
Uh-huh.
Anyway, response to anything that I said in posts 145, 147, or 152? Anything at all (other than accusations of being an evil genocide-craving commie whore of Satan)? Any further questions about what I believe or are you going to continue to pretend that I accept your 'ultimate reality' as a useful phrase and just keep making assumptions about what I actually believe?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Considering atheistic governments have martyred over 20 million Orthodox Christians in the lasy [sic] century, I don't think that is weird.You're right Mopac, the fact that I don't believe your God exists means I want you to be genocided and would totally never devote four years of my life to an organization sworn to defend against all enemies both foreign and domestic peoples right to worship however they please.Flawless logic Mopac, truly nothing gets past you. Completely accurate and not offensive to me at all. *rolls eyes*
I take it you were being ironic.
I wouldn't dismiss Mopac's distrust of atheism as baseless or irrational given the track record of regimes that have embraced atheism. Genocide-scale killings of believers did follow in the wake of take-overs by regimes advocating 'scientific atheism' as matters of deliberate and calculated policy. We happily castigate Christians for the mythical genocides in the OT - we can't deny that very real genocides were carried out explicitly and openly in the name of atheism within living memory.
Of course you and I don't support killing theists - but then we have to say that, don't we?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
GOD's do EXIST as constructs between the ears of weak minded humans who are HYPNOTIZED and BRAINWASHED to BELIEVE
the parasite VAMPIRE CULT psychopath that infected them....
Otherwise NO GOD exists in a VISIBLE FORM...NO GOD is available for consultation FACE to FACE...the CULT Parasite VAMPIRE
acts like a GOD and becomes the mediator...(not really) the Parasite becomes GOD to the VICTIM they infected...
With thousands of GODS to choose from or even INVENT...YES moron you can invent YOUR VERY OWN GOD VERSION to WORSHIP.!
Regardless..all of the "GODS" are nothing more than Glorified Comic book characters...why not a BATMAN GOD ? all praise the BATMAN GOD...creator of the universe....now fall to the floor and shake like an imbecile for the BATMAN GOD to PROVE your commitment to him...
and not go to BATCAVE HELL !
NO..NO...NO...not BATCAVE HELL ....anything but that...! then OBEY said the BATMAN GOD....do as you are told...and maybe
just maybe YOU will BE SAVED ! MAYBE ! just do as the BATMAN GOD commands of YOU...this is how the GOD disease works
Always there is a THREAT...ALWAYS...the GODS are built on a foundation of FEAR INTIMIDATION VIOLENCE...so shut up and OBEY...
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@Mopac
Humans are incapable of proving absolute truth, but are also incapable of disproving absolute truth. So, the best answer to that question is: I hold no belief of it either way.So you don't believe in absolute truth?
Are you a nihilist?
While there are certain aspects of nihilism that are logically consistent with known aspects of reality, no I am not a nihilist.
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@WisdomofAges
Oh go away with that fanatical bullshit.
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@Mopac
Did someone mention hubris?
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@BrutalTruth
FANATICAL ? hahahah..........FOOL...falling to the floor and begging some invisible GOD hoax.. for SALVATION ?
Now that is fanatical...how about that 5x a day ALLAH God garbage ? or those JEWS facing a wall and praying for
their MESSIAH to show up and save them ? from what FOOL ? why don'y YOU join them ?
Go now FOOL to ISRAEL and join the HAREDI imbeciles at the WALL all day...bring some hot dogs and weed with
you..it's an all day everyday till you DROP DEAD activity....not FANATICAL...NORMAL ! like YOU...
or join the ISLAM psychopaths and swear to EXTERMINATE all of the JEWS for ALLAH ! that's NOT FANATICAL
that is NORMAL !
SO if anyone is a FANATIC..a Religious psychopath..a HYPNOTIZED and BRAINWASHED to OBEY some guy
ina Halloween Costume that plays GOD...that's NORMA: ! go now..go to ISRAEL...choose 1 of the 3 GOD
hoaxes...JEW - JESUS - ALLAH and destroy all who do not follow YOU.. ! NORMAL ! so NORMAL ! FOOL....
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@keithprosser
You're right Mopac, the fact that I don't believe your God exists means I want you to be genocided and would totally never devote four years of my life to an organization sworn to defend against all enemies both foreign and domestic peoples right to worship however they please.Flawless logic Mopac, truly nothing gets past you. Completely accurate and not offensive to me at all. *rolls eyes*I take it you were being ironic.
About Mopac's logic being flawless? I think 'sarcastic' works slightly better. The rest was ironic though, yes.
We happily castigate Christians for the mythical genocides in the OT - we can't deny that very real genocides were carried out explicitly and openly in the name of atheism within living memory.
The only thing I would say in seriousness about the stories of genocide in the OT - and I would direct it only at that minority of people who argue in favor of those actions being morally justified - would be this:
"It's always the present. You can't effect the past, but you can effect the future. So if you don't want genocide to happen again the first thing you should do - here and now - is stop justifying it."
Of course you and I don't support killing theists - but then we have to say that, don't we?
Nonsense. No more than any Muslim American should "have to say" that they don't support the activities of ISIS. To assume that someone must by default be in support of any extremism which they have not specifically denounced is laughably absurd and allows the perfect breeding ground for the type of propaganda that feeds into the notions of people like Mopac, P-Witch, and others that entire groups of people ought to be demonized and treated as outcasts.
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@WisdomofAges
FANATICAL ? hahahah..........FOOL...falling to the floor and begging some invisible GOD hoax.. for SALVATION ?
I'm an atheist, numbnuts.
IDIOT...go pray now to YOUR GOD hoax....just do NOT HARM others with your BRAINWASHED STUPIDITY...
GO to YOUR GOD...tell him all of your GOOD DEEDS so he will let you into his amusement park ...
Then you can join the millions of other sheeple drone imbeciles..from the Roman catholic CULT
and the latter day saint CULT, and the Jehovah's Witness CULT +++ to many other CULT
Parasite organization drones to list.....and KILL EACH OTHER over who is RIGHT.....and be reborn
over and over again to keep MURDERING each other for GOD ! FUN !
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@Discipulus_Didicit
As long as you keep adding to what I say while insinuating that I am being deceitful, I have no further questions for you.
If you are going to be respectful and take this discussion seriously, I will continue.
But I will say this. From my worldview, there are no atheists, only those who are in denial of their gods. From my vantage point, you saying you have no gods isn't much different than a man claiming to be a woman.
I know it is 2019, but self declaration is not proof of identity.
I will grant that you believe you are an atheist. I am not calling you a murderer. I am engaging you out of love, no other reason. If you don't believe me, well, I can't help that. I love you anyway. That is why I don't want you to remain ignorant of these things. It is the most important thing.