Middle East "GODS"= best HOAX ever !

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Idiots 1:11 ....Never believe the Clown in the halloween Glory Gown Costume.... for he/she acts like a GOD
but is merely mortal...He or She VOMITS God speak...Bible verses....Quran verses...Church and Mosque
Dogma for the sake of HYPNOTIZING and PARALYZING the weak minded human into a dumbed down slave drone...

Jesus and Allah are pathetic human fabricated scapegoats....the infected parasite VAMPIRE uses them 
as tools to assimilate weak minded fools into some horrific CULT..like VAMPIRES these parasites want
total control of your mind and life...to serve them and their horrifically OBSOLETE and OPPRESSIVE 
CULT.....they are very clever in the ways of HYPNOSIS....

A clue to identifying these Parasite CULT Vampires is they always defend...never do they facilitate independence
health and wellness...always.... they seek to create conflict and argue their point in being RIGHT...and want YOU
to surrender yourself to them and their CULT Church or Mosque....

everything is about them and their CULT CHURCH/MOSQUE...Jesus and Allah are said often as key words...they 
are merely buffer words...these Vampires could care less about some idiotic old man made GOD invention they
want YOU as a SLAVE and especially YOUR CHILDREN....use extreme CAUTION when around Jesus and Allah
VOMITING Parasite CULT Vampires....

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I have no reason to believe the bible is in any way a historically reliable document. Can you convince me to believe in the bible? Do you believe in a LITERAL Adam and Eve?
It is not whether you believe it to be but whether it can be demonstrated it is. 

I doubt I can convince you. That is between you and God. All I can do is give you reasons why what you believe does not add up and what we, as Christians, believe does make logical and reasonable sense. 

Yes, I believe in a literal Adam and Eve. 


You say death is the final curtain as if it's a bad thing, like I should make an argument about it. 
I say from your worldview perspective it is thought of as the final curtain.  


The Bible gives reason for an absolute, objective, eternal, unchanging, final reference and measure. 
And yet every day, so many Christians are convicted of crimes. Crimes often against OTHER Christians, even. Vexing! In my worldview? Bad people do bad things. Your explanation?
Sure. We are fallible, just like you. Although we are called to not sin we still fall victim to our own selfish desires when we put ourselves about God or do what we know is wrong. But we have a Savior who has paid the penalty of our sins so that God does not count them against us, if we truly believe, that is. And in believing in God He promised a new nature, one that loves Him because it understands Him through His revelation and mercy to us. So we are compelled by the example of Jesus Christ to forgive others and to be merciful to them as we have received mercy ourselves. 

When we submit to God's ways the fruit is good. When we ignore His ways the fruit is bad. 


For the unbeliever, the meaning is fleeting and whatever they make it. Meaning holds no ultimate significance in the unbelieving worldview for the universe is meaningless and the unbeliever supposedly returns to this meaninglessness at death. So, your life, in the big picture is meaningless, yet you borrow from the Christian worldview that says there is meaning, or at least we make it, and we SHOULD treat life as meaningful (or else we have despair like so many do who question the ultimate point of life and believe there is none). 
How do I borrow from YOUR worldview at all? I don't say there IS meaning.
You live as if there is meaning, that some things are definitely wrong and undesirable. 

What you believe goes contrary to the logical outcome of living an evolutionary and materialistic worldview. There is no way to live according to such an outlook, just whatever your genetic make-up and environment determine. You adopt Christian values and live as Christians are supposed to, sometimes to the shame of those who call themselves Christians. You display that you understand the commandments of God, that it is wrong to murder, wrong to steal, wrong to covet, wrong to lie. Living an evolutionary worldview and being more powerful than others, why not take what you can if you can get away with it? If there is no absolute standard why live according to the biblical one? Why not make your own life like Hitler and Stalin, reaping what you can from others?  

I say I control what my life means, and when someday I take stock of it, I will hope I can be proud of what I'm leaving, but ultimately, it's just another of billions of lives.
Again, the idea that your life means something and is worthwhile is a Christian concept. You believe your life can leave a positive example in a meaningless universe, thus the contradiction, the confusion, the inconsistency. 

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Yeah, my life is ultimately meaningless to anyone but me and my loved ones. What is the ULTIMATE SIGNIFICANCE in your life, exactly? I don't have despair because there's no ultimate point of life. It's an adventure and I'm the only being that will ever get to live this life, this way. What could be more thrilling or meaningful than that? 


I see your life as valuable and important and I sincerely hope you find true meaning one day!

To know my Creator and find out what He has in store for me when I pass from this physical existence. For those who trust in Him, He has promised unspeakable joy and things we will never grow tired of. 


6 Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; 7 but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; 8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; 9 but just as it is written,
“Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard,
And which have not entered the heart of man,
All that God has prepared for those who love Him.”
10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God, 13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.

You do not have despair, yet what trials has life brought you? How old are you? How many are not as fortunate as you, who have been through wars and seen the brutality of humanity? How many can't enjoy or know that they will have a meal today or tomorrow? How many are facing death on a daily basis with no ultimate hope, just terror and worry?

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The book of "WISDOM" says it all....it was not incorporated into the Bible Comic book because ....it is to intelligent...

The Bible...i.e. New Testament spin garbage invented by the Roman Catholic Church psychopath child rapists
is intended for genuinely STUPID humans...the ROMAN CHURCH (what a joke...an extension of the Roman empire ! )
fabricated this hoax of a glorified comic book to be used as a TOOL...

A TOOL to hypnotized and further dumb down humans into servitude and slavery of the CHURCH...the CHURCH
loves to play GOD......and condemn all who defy them !    the clowns in their Halloween Glory Gowns order the
beating-torture-hanging-whipping-slashing-burning-bone crushing-rape of the HERETICS....just like JESUS 
would do if he hung around after he himself was beaten and nailed to a cross !  what a JOKE....

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The book of "WISDOM" says it all....it was not incorporated into the Bible Comic book because ....it is to intelligent...

The Bible...i.e. New Testament spin garbage invented by the Roman Catholic Church psychopath child rapists
is intended for genuinely STUPID humans...the ROMAN CHURCH (what a joke...an extension of the Roman empire ! )
fabricated this hoax of a glorified comic book to be used as a TOOL...

A TOOL to hypnotized and further dumb down humans into servitude and slavery of the CHURCH...the CHURCH
loves to play GOD......and condemn all who defy them !    the clowns in their Halloween Glory Gowns order the
beating-torture-hanging-whipping-slashing-burning-bone crushing-rape of the HERETICS....just like JESUS 
would do if he hung around after he himself was beaten and nailed to a cross !  what a JOKE....

Thanks for your assertions lacking one shred of evidence!
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There are may ways to experience a healthy existence...no human ever needs to be VALIDATED and APPROVED to 
EXIST and DIE bys some Bible/Quran VOMITING Clown prancing and preaching in his/her Halloween Glory Gown
costume....these utter FOOLS and CON ARTISTS play the "i wanna be a GOD character" it's all some pathetic EGO
act....

Thess Parasite Vampires are nothing more than clever MIND and LIFE MOLESTING predators....the greatest THREAT
to these pathetic creatures is the OPEN MINDED HUMAN that considers the possibility of anything but knows not to 
fall for some cheap shot GOD invention....specifically the Middle East Jew-Jesus-Allah GOD constructs...which has
left a trail of DEATH and DESTRUCTION in the name of these idiotic fake GOD constructs...all stolen from neighboring
GOD constructs of many civilizations in the middle east region...gong back 8000 years...

these clever Mind MOLESTERS reduced all the advanced civilizations - Sumerian-Egyptian - Assyrian to irrelevant
and replaced THEIR CONCEPT of a GOD with the Moses JEW GOD- Christian JESUS GOD - muslim ALLAH GOD
...what a JOKE these 3 idiotic spins are....

NO WAY any of these idiot GOD inventions are worth DYING FOR....time for all 3 GODS to join Zeus and Odin in
MYTHOLOGY for children's entertainment only....
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The ultimate REALITY is the ......ILLUSION....
You're an idiot.

No amount of vapid rhetoric is going to mask this.

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You are the puddle and your hubris won't allow you to accept it, the hole was specifically designed for your shape. That is hubris beyond measure, the meaning and purpose you have allegedly found is dying and living in the paradise your megalomaniacal god actually did create for you. He's created two holes that perfectly fit your puddle, just how important are you?
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Thanks for your assertions lacking one shred of evidence!
Your assertion of an afterlife has not one shred of evidence.

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YES...the ILLUSION is very REAL....between YOUR EARS....YOU can create whatever YOU want any way YOU want
there are no restrictions....no limits.....only that which YOU have created for yourself as a result of the Parasite Vampires
of another idiotic spin on a CHURCH for JESUS....

JESUS could care less about YOUR absurd EGO and YOUR CULT of a CHURCH that sits high on a toilet acting like 
they are above the other CHURCH for JESUS .....

The Christians like the muslims and the JEWS are always in constant CONFLICT and AGGRESSION over their GOD
inventions......these imbeciles are so unconscious towards the lifestyle and views of other humans...they act like they
own this planet and willingly DESTROY life-environments-plants-animals using their IDIOT GOD HOAX as a TOOL...

See any lunatic destructive hare krishnas ?   NO...they chant and prance around....yet they have a well established culture
in the INDIA homeland...a Country with intense spirituality and very little VIOLENCE in the name of their GOD or "Divine
Entities"...

of course the middle East PSYCHOPATHS disagree and condemn these billion plus humans for not converting to the 
absurd JESUS or ALLAH GOD DISEASE...

No human needs this JESUS or ALLAH nonsense to THRIVE....THRIVE in a healthy non VIOLENT WAY....without the
horrific and OPPRESSIVE mind and life MURDERING DOGMA these Middle East parasite Vampires attach to their
GOD inventions....

These people are drowning in the ILLUSION planted between their EARS by the clever Church and Mosque VAMPIRES

A TRUE BELIEVER is never threatened by others who disagree-taunt-degrade-+++ all manner of dislike behaviors....a
TRUE believer always leaves the door open....and is never offended...that is the signature of EGO...that is the signature
of a TRUE NON BELIEVER who is using the GOD hoax as a TOOL for their own agenda...they are offended not the GOD...

these pathetic humans that fight-murder-argue-destroy in the name of their invented GOD are NEVER BELIEVERS they
are the TRUE DECEIVERS...they seek power and control not enlightenment....they are the ultimate CON ARTIST SCUM

JESUS and ALLAH have been scapegoats for PSYCHOPATH MURDERERS-CHILD MOLESTERS-CORRUPT BUSINESS
and GOVERNMENT puppets...+++ much more...

it took 6000 years for this JESUS FOOL to show up...and of all places the Middle East as a newborn of some illiterate Jewish
tribal girl....what a JOKE...

What about the rest of humanity ?   why not INDIA...or CHINA....or South America...NO it has to be the Middle east desert !
and everyone needs to accept it or DIE....

This garbage is beyond Comic Book stupidity......clever these Parasite vampires of ROME are !    gladly murdering JESUS
for the JEWS....then turning the boy wonder into a GOD for the non JEW !   what a kick in the JEW CROTCH !   

The JEWS were becoming a nuisance to ROME...they have been chased out of every civilization..reduced to 15 million world
wide....and still hated by millions ?   then came ALLAH ...600 AD   another kick in the JEW CROTCH and the JESUS CLOWNS

3 GODS..all neighbors in a small area of the Middle East...NO....NO WAY RETARDS for JESUS or ALLAH or the JEW GOD
it's all a HOAX....these 3 GODS NEVER EXISTED 8000 years ago...but the HALAF of SYRIA and many other cultures did

..PROOF that the JEW-JESUS-ALLAH GOD inventions are just that...3 GODS...and their followers all at each others throats

NO..this is kindergarten playground idiocy...small minded adults quibbling and destroying each other and others with their
idiotic GOD fantasy.....

Time for these 3 GODS to join ZEUS and ODIN in Children's Comic Book Mythology for entertainment ONLY...good riddance


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If you wanted to have an honest conversation, we could you know.


That isn't going to happen so long as you adopt this approach.

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There is nothing violent or evil about Orthodox Christianity, and given how many millions of martyrs of the faith there have been throughout the centuries, this claim is asinine. As is identifying us with Roman Catholics and Muslims who have historically persecuted us.
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Whether communism, fascism or socialism, none of these can be shown to be desirable nor shown to work well.
I'd be happy to debate that, but I wasn't arguing for or against socialism.   You wrote:

God destroyed wicked humans who would not repent and who were bent on violence and evil intentions....Stalin, Hitler, Mao, were also wicked and caused a lot of death and destruction while they exploited and controlled their population through their socialist states.
My point was that Stalin and Mao were not destroyed.   They died of old age - Stalin was 75 and Mao was 83.  Hitler was 'only' 55,but if he  was destroyed by God, God certainly left it late when a heart attack before 1939 would have solved it all much more cleanly.  I have no idea how many 'good people' were destroyed before God allegedly intervened, but I bet it was lots.

You point out that without god there would be no morality - there would only be power.  Very well - look around you and look at history.  There is only power.  The reason slavery was abolished in America is not that slavery was evil and freedom is good - it was abolished because people with a preference for freedom won a war, wresting power from those who supported slavery.   Thousands of people died in the process.

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HONEST CONVERSATION ?     First YOU need to be honest with yourself.....this idiotic Ortho Church construct is not GOD....

It is a human fabricated kindergarten with clowns for preachers promising eternal life to its hypnotized sheeple zombie children..

It is utterly PATHETIC how YOU waste your very existence defending a human construct....YOU BELIEVE NOTHING...just'
use this Ortho Church farce as an excuse to find fault in others when the FAULT is BETWEEN YOUR EARS....

You are unable to think and reason independently...your brain is so saturated with Ortho Church VOMIT...you can't think at all
just respond as you are programmed to by your MASTERS = Church Vampires....YOU are a servant/slave of this idiotic Church
fabrication....YOU have no GOD just act like you do...

You have missed the point of your JESUS GOD....using him as a scapegoat for your own EGO fulfillment...worse you never 
mention which GOD you fall on the floor over....YOU ALWAYS refer to the ORTHO CHURCH....which proves beyond any 
doubt that your mind is not your own...

You are a brainwashed dumbed down slave drone of the CHURCH....24/7 the ortho Church infests your thoughts...YOU
act-react-talk-defend the ORTHO CHURCH above your own well being....

This is the DISEASE the CHURCH PARASITES have planted between your ears....resulting in a mindless Ortho Church
VOMITING MACHINE....the Church this...the Church that...it is the Church way....+++ like some kind of robot stuck in 
a "the Church says so loop"  how utterly IDIOTIC.....the stuff of cheap comic books.....

YOUR brainwashed state of mind is like the majority 95% of Christians...they are so dumbed down and stuffed with
Church VOMIT they cannot respond without using their Church as an EXCUSE for everything...

The one thing CHRISTIANS are.... is.....committed to themselves..... at others expense..they could give a crap about the
boy wonder JESUS ....they hide behind the Church and throw up Bible verse VOMIT and Church Dogma VOMIT on
all who do not fall for their TRICKS to assimilate and hypnotize into slavery .....
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Whether communism, fascism or socialism, none of these can be shown to be desirable nor shown to work well.
I'd be happy to debate that, but I wasn't arguing for or against socialism. 
Did you want a formal debate or are you implying you will provide your argument here? 

  You wrote:

God destroyed wicked humans who would not repent and who were bent on violence and evil intentions....Stalin, Hitler, Mao, were also wicked and caused a lot of death and destruction while they exploited and controlled their population through their socialist states.
My point was that Stalin and Mao were not destroyed.   They died of old age - Stalin was 75 and Mao was 83.  Hitler was 'only' 55,but if he  was destroyed by God, God certainly left it late when a heart attack before 1939 would have solved it all much more cleanly.  I have no idea how many 'good people' were destroyed before God allegedly intervened, but I bet it was lots.
If you look at the context, it was in relation to the covenant He made with Israel (i.e., OT).

The NT makes it clear that when humans deny God He gives them over to their unrighteous and wicked desires to reap the consequences of those actions. It demonstrates what happens when humanity lives by its own relative standards. The reasoning here is if you want to live unrighteously and deny God and His teaching the result is evident in the inhumanity by what they do.


You point out that without god there would be no morality - there would only be power.  Very well - look around you and look at history.  There is only power. 
Exactly! Where has humanity ever lived consistently by God's righteous standards (i.e., The Ten Commandments)? OT Israel did it briefly and God blessed them while they honored Him. 

The reason slavery was abolished in America is not that slavery was evil and freedom is good - it was abolished because people with a preference for freedom won a war, wresting power from those who supported slavery.   Thousands of people died in the process.

Why SHOULD slavery be abolished?  If there is no absolute, objective, unchanging standard then why is one standard better than another? 

Who was the most outspoken in taking up the cause? I believe two of its most candid spokesmen were William Wilberforce and John Newton. The reason was that they UNDERSTOOD that all humans are created in the image and likeness of God and deserve to be treated with kindness and compassion. 
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I am honest.

What else do I have but for you to show me charity and believe me?

Instead of bombarding me with a wall of text, why not talk about one thing at a time?

The Orthodox Church is not God. We don't believe this.





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Who was the most outspoken in taking up the cause? I believe two of its most candid spokesmen were William Wilberforce and John Newton. The reason was that they UNDERSTOOD that all humans are created in the image and likeness of God and deserve to be treated with kindness and compassion. 
Perhaps "The reason was that they UNDERSTOOD that all humans deserve to be treated with kindness and compassion."
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Why SHOULD slavery be abolished?
And here is the evidence that your allegedly unchanging standard is inferior to my moral standards.

consistently by God's righteous standards
Hitler and Stalin were adamantly living by your god's righteous standards, their attempts at genocide prove that.
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Why SHOULD slavery be abolished?  If there is no absolute, objective, unchanging standard then why is one standard better than another? 
Tell me, how hard do you have to think before you conclude freedom is better than slavery, or that kindness better than cruelty?  My guess is you don't have to think about it at all.   You may require a moment or two to think up a logical-sounding reason why freedom trumps slavery, but making the judgement 'freedom is better than slavery' takes no time at all - it is built into you.

If you - or I - had been born in ancient Rome or the antebellum deep south we'd probably think slavery was part of the natural order and not question it.   You say you oppose slavery becuse freedom is intrinsically or objectively better than slavery;  I say we oppose slavery becuase we are the products of a non-slaving culture.

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Tell me, how hard do you have to think before you conclude freedom is better than slavery, or that kindness better than cruelty?  My guess is you don't have to think about it at all.   You may require a moment or two to think up a logical-sounding reason why freedom trumps slavery, but making the judgement 'freedom is better than slavery' takes no time at all - it is built into you.

The answer's going to be it's not hard at all, because the being that BUILT it into you wrote it there, and you don't know it but you abide by it anyway because it's written on your heard. It's just how magic works. I agree with you, of course, but when you use language like this, they seize on it as your tacit admission that you're designed and created, and you're just an ignorant hellbound wretch for denying any of it. It's the same person who says "natural laws" are "written by a lawgiver," because the word 'laws' is in there. I'm amazed by how many people claim they believe in god because of semantics. 
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Who was the most outspoken in taking up the cause? I believe two of its most candid spokesmen were William Wilberforce and John Newton. The reason was that they UNDERSTOOD that all humans are created in the image and likeness of God and deserve to be treated with kindness and compassion. 
Perhaps "The reason was that they UNDERSTOOD that all humans deserve to be treated with kindness and compassion."

I can't argue with this, but I believe it was through their reasoning from the Bible that they came to the conclusion they did. They understood the kindness and compassion, the mercy and grace of God and they shared these qualities with others. They knew slavery was wrong based on Scripture. If you read their biographies you see this is the case. I have both their biographies in my library. 
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The answer's going to be it's not hard at all, because the being that BUILT it into you wrote it there, and you don't know it but you abide by it anyway because it's written on your hear[t].
You may be correct but I can't/won't assume that is how PGA will respond (if he chooses to).  


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I don't have Wilberforce's autobiography but it's not in dispute that he was a great philanthropist and humanitarian.   Nor do I deny that he found justifications for his humanitarianism in Scripture.  The question is whether scripture changed his personal morality or if his innate humanitarianism affected his interpretation of Christianity. 


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Why SHOULD slavery be abolished?
And here is the evidence that your allegedly unchanging standard is inferior to my moral standards.
No, you are misrepresenting me again by not including the whole context. I am placing myself in the position of someone who does not have an absolute, universal, unchanging reference point and asking that question. 


consistently by God's righteous standards
Hitler and Stalin were adamantly living by your god's righteous standards, their attempts at genocide prove that.

No, they were not. They do not have the right to take innocent life because they can't restore it. Not only this, what they did was complete and utter evil. There was no mercy or compassion in so many of their actions. God's righteous standard is to live righteously and act justly. They killed many people unjustly, without sufficient cause. 

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No, they were not. They do not have the right to take innocent life because they can't restore it. Not only this, what they did was complete and utter evil. There was no mercy or compassion in so many of their actions. God's righteous standard is to live righteously and act justly. They killed many people unjustly, without sufficient cause. 

Please give the sufficient cause to kill all of the Egyptian first born sons (many of which were presumably not involved in enslaving the hebrews but were just kids), directly by a celestial agent. After that one, can you explain why god didn't just delete the Canaanites or the Amalekites, and instead commanded the hebrews to do it? Or how about the time he told the hebrews to take the women for themselves? What's the sufficient and just cause for allowing them to be kidnapped and repeatedly raped? 

Are you a divine command theory person in addition to being a presuppositionalist?
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Your response makes to much sense for a HYPNOTIZED "God" vomiting sheeple drone slave to comprehend....

any attempt to reason with the HYPNOSIS "GOD" PSYCHOSIS drone is FUTILE....these
former humans are now Parasite Vampires of some Church-Mosque-Temple and are conditioned'
to respond with Church/Mosque/Temple... Jesus/Allah/Jew God  VOMIT.....

They are no longer capable of critical OPEN MINDED thinking...only conflict and never ending Religious VOMIT
to substantiate their programmed perspective...they are BRAINWASHED ZOMBIES....

The Religious FORUM provides clear and visible TRUTH of the contamination that is manifesting between the
ears of the HYPNOTIZED "GOD" enslaved sheeple drones...24/ 7 these Vampires are drenched with inner voices
of Church-God-Dogma VOMIT...if flows like a raging river throughout the neural network...everything and everyone
is scrutinized by these parasite voices...what is most facinating is how these VAMPIRES act normal...but behind
the facade is a total HYPNOTIZED biological robot...programmed to OBEY and defend against all who do not 
accept their TWISTED POINT of VIEW.....

"GOD" the word itself is a Roman catholic Church invention...it came about around 400 AD from some MONK
who was translating the Greek/Hebrew Bible into GOTHIC (a now extinct Eastern Germanic Language)  

Your trying to have a dialogue/debate with the same mindset a hard core NAZI had towards NON ARYANS....
Nothing will convince the SHEEPLE DRONE to accept reason....OBEY and FIT IN or SUFFER and DIE....this is the premise
of the Middle East Jesus-Allah-Jew God ...HOAX....these 3 idiotic GODS are human constructs 

3 GODS .....JEW...JESUS...ALLAH...all neighbors ...all NO SHOWS..each at WAR and CONFLICT over which GOD 
is the TRUE GOD..screw all the other GODS over the last 8000 years...choose one or suffer and DIE !

it's a NO WIN construct...deliberately designed for assimilation and division to keep people DISCONTENT and ready 
to wage WAR..incite FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE...these 3 GODS are fabricated from the many similar stories
of surrounding civilizations/cultures in the region over thousands of years...

The PURPOSE of the Middle East GOD garbage is to assimilate and divide humanity...and create constant conflict
and WAR..while the few ELITE Clowns in the Halloween Glory gown costumes of some Church/Mosque/Temple
PLAY GOD....it's all a clever HOAX for POWER and CONTROL of the masses...

So congrats for TRYING....you are AWAKE and see easily the TRICKS behind the TREACHERY  for POWER..,

No human ever needs the JEW GOD-JESUS-ALLAH to exist and THRIVE...these "fake GODS" are used as pathetic
scapegoats...

Any entity that created billions of GALAXIES and TRILLIONS of worlds plus countless other phenomenon would NEVER
waste itself on these pathetic HUMAN CREATURES that are so determined to exterminate each other over petty issues
especially some fabricated "GOD" comic book character 
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You don't seem to be open minded to the possibility that you are wrong.

Everything you post screams of hypocrisy.

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EASY ?   YES...just do to the ORTHO CHURCH Parasite Vampires what they have done to all the other
"Divine Entities" and spiritual paths since the dawn of human consciousness....reduce them to ashes 
as though they never existed...

"END of DAYS" for the con artist ORTHO CHURCH CULT as it falls into the abyss of irrelevant just like
all the other fake fabricated GODS-CHURCH-TEMPLE-MOSQUE fairytales...ALL GONE !   

Some reside in Museums..some in Comic Books...some in Movies...most are forgotten...time NOW
to FORGET about the JEW-JESUS-ALLAH GOD hoax along with their invented CULTS....

Good riddance to them all...do to them as they have done to countless other GODS-RELIGIONS
and SPIRITUAL paths....all flushed down the toilet....they claim only their GOD and CHURCH/
TEMPLE/MOSQUE matters....but they DO NOT MATTER...no more than ZEUS or ODIN....

Why wait...send the JEW-JESUS-ALLAH GODS to the FORGOTTEN.....where they truly BELONG
with the GODS !  thousands of them who have come and gone....they to can GO....GO NOW...

GO NOW so humanity can move FORWARD and INNOVATE an awesome green world to THRIVE IN

NOT some DARK AGES DUNGEON of HORRORS...filled with Psychotic Clowns in Halloween Glory 
Gowns all vying for POWER and CONTROL...all inciting FEAR-INTIMIDATION-VIOLENCE and 
above all ABSOLUTE TOTAL OBEDIENCE to their totally PSYCHOTIC MIND and LIFE DESTROYING
DOGMA....

NO...NO MORE..the movement is gaining momentum daily as the horrifically OBSOLETE and PARALYZED 
minds of the HYPNOTIZED older generations DIE OFF...the new generations are NOT falling for these
PARASITE VAMPIRES of the DARK AGES...they must be relegated to MYTHOLOGY and rendered
HARMLESS....never will humans bow to some PSYCHOPATH child...mind...and life MOLESTING 
VAMPIRE hiding behind some absurd Comic Book GOD hoax invention and CHURCH/TEMPLE/
MOSQUE facade...

The OLD generations KNOW this TRUTH..they are being discarded...in the same way they discarded
all others who did and do not accept their PSYCHOTIC BS GOD hoax and Bible/Koran VOMIT....

The future looks BRIGHT and SUNNY without the Middle East JEW-JESUS-ALLAH GOD parasite
infestation....

If this JESUS character showed up NOW he would most certainly VAPORIZE every JEW-JESUS-ALLAH
Parasite Vampire from this amazing planet.....PRAISE JESUS for THAT !
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Please give the sufficient cause to kill all of the Egyptian first born sons (many of which were presumably not involved in enslaving the hebrews but were just kids), directly by a celestial agent. After that one, can you explain why god didn't just delete the Canaanites or the Amalekites, and instead commanded the hebrews to do it? Or how about the time he told the hebrews to take the women for themselves? What's the sufficient and just cause for allowing them to be kidnapped and repeatedly raped? 
Egyptians, amelekites, cannanite,moabites etc. were guilty of persisently and maliciously not being Hebrews!   The Amelekites - as an example - were a neighbouring tribe with whom (presumably) the Hebrew regularly clashed over across to or control over resources.  Enmity between the Amelekites and Hebrews was quite real; it would naturally be expressed in theological terms by priests who made no distinction between YHWHism and Hebrew nationalism.  Hence we get verses such as Ex 17:14

"Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this on a scroll as something to be remembered and make sure that Joshua hears it, because I will completely blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven.”
 

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You don't have anything but the most superficial understanding, and if you ever came to knew the truth of the matter, you would look back at these days of your ignorance with great shame.