What I could do for you as a moderator

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The Role of Moderation

There is no doubt some issues with the quality of posts on this site that significantly harm retention rate. When I crafted the new Code of Conduct it had 2 simultaneous goals and the goals were to;

1. Foster an environment where any opinion was welcome no matter how taboo.
2. Foster an environment where we behave with honor and a basic level of respect for each other

The COC was written in a way that was also flexible so those goals could be achieved without handcuffing moderators to any hard rules. The principles were written in so you could at least hold their feet to the fire by reminding them to act in accordance with those two principles. Obviously some things need to happen for the self preservation of the site as well. For example treating the site as a way to buy and sell drugs would cause the site to be taken offline, so these goals are made with the understanding that self preservation is important as well.

With that said it's more important these values are in the heart of each moderator, than it is that it's in writing under the COC tab. I believe these values are in the heart of each moderator with the exception of Oromagi, who is basically absent anyway. So my heart goes out to you guys (salute). This does leave us with another issue though. What does it mean to have a basic level of respect. 

Basic Respect

I want to show you 2 controversial posts. One is of a guy promoting the rape of children and presenting it as children's rights. It is this thread by best.korea https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12464-children-can-consent

His argument for  sex with minors is seen in the first post and isn't expanded on much from there. Later in the thread Barney points out that the thread misses the point, the only relevant rebuttal and it's ignored while best.korea continues to act as if he is defending childrens's rights. https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/12464-children-can-consent?page=2&post_number=46 . Which is true, nobody is even taking away children's rights. No child is arrested for consenting to the harm caused by sex with an adult, adults who bear the moral responsibility are the ones put in prison (hopefully) for it.

If you want you can compare this to a similarly controversial topic though less morally repugnant than you can compare it to AdreamofLiberty's post on bestiality which though almost as morally repugnant had the opposite response of the community to the point where it is now in the hall of fame. I urge anyone who doesn't understand why Best.korea is getting negative feedback to compare his arguments to ADOL's, found here. 


There is a clear difference. One takes the subject seriously, and is handling it with respect and the other isn't . Another thing that's happpening is ADOL is not arguing that Bestiality is really an animal's rights issue. He is arguing about the moral responsibility of people who fuck dogs, or if you are Muslim maybe goats. 

How I would help increase basic respect

There are those that do lack a certain amount of respect but do not go as far as best.korea. There are certain people who only use sarcasm when communicating or only use satire, and they do so because they can't actually support their world view. . It's my belief that these people can be flooded out and even influenced to change by higher quality members of the site. It is also my firm belief that if can eliminate certain people like best.korea than we will have a better retention rate for quality posters. We don't need to attract more people here to flood this place with high quality posters. We merely can improve retention rates of quality individuals to do the same team. 

If you are reading this there are likely high quality posters here, you have no clue even exist because despite not being run off, they have limited site engagement and got intelligent conversation elsewhere. Whiteflame used to post more, and put effort into quality posts, as has Lunatic and Barney and Savant. Thett and Coal occasionally come on to see if they can get a quality discussion and then after 5 posts the leave for 6 months to try again and inevitably see the same thing. Sure some of these people may be very busy outside of the site, but it's rare to meet people who can hold a good conversation in real life and especially since in real life things like power games and keeping the peace often take precedent even among intelligent people. 

My plan to drive site engagement would be to ban users like best.korea and to also step up as a scapegoat for the mods to make other controversial decisions so they can still keep a friendly image and just make me the bad guy. I am okay with this. 

What you can do? WHo is the head mod now or the deputy mod? I forget either Vader or Whiteflame. Either way you guys can get a better quality site experience with enough public pressure, and not a combative pressure that makes people more clingy to their original beliefs, but a soft type of influence that encourages them that after they make this decision the negative feedback from it will quickly fade and then I can take pressure off of them long term by being a lightning rod of hate. 

Let's do a straw poll in this thread. If you elect me as mod, I will handle the self proclaimed child molester and immediately improve site quality. I also am studying for a cyber security degree and things like IP addresses and other forms of fingerprinting to identify and out best.korea to real life family and friends and skills in OSINT are yes things I have, but I will never abuse those skills to break the rules of the site and protect potential victims in best.korea's life.


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What are your favorite software systems for stress-testing firewall services?
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Not there yet. I just got my security+ and have been digging into digital forensics lately. 

I have not stress tested any firewalls but if I had to I guess I would stress test them by gradually increasing the level of a DDOS attack to see what it could handle, but that may not even be what stress tests are for.
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Next is ITIL and the pen testing
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Pentesting is probably where that will be covered
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Digital forensics is a really cool field to get into. I support your decision and wish you luck on your academic journey!

Cybersecurity is a very competitive industry and it can get challenging, but it can be profitable if you have a lot of patience

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Worst case scenario nobody gives me a 6 figure job, in which case I hear that ransomware gangs make a lot of money LOL. 

In all seriousness, thanks I am willing to move anywhere to make it work and to even go some non traditional routes if I have to. 

I know it's a stretch goal but I want to be a physical pentester. It won't happen but I an sure whatever does will be rewarding
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@WyIted
Don't you quit the site on a regular basis?

Wouldn't that make being a moderator problematic?
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No because I can quit and still check in and ban people. I have already quit the site and you can see it hasn't impacted my ability to be active
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Don't you quit the site on a regular basis?
I always assumed that was a job requirement for this site specifically.

Also hey Sidewalker, how you been!
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Don't you quit the site on a regular basis?
I always assumed that was a job requirement for this site specifically.

Also hey Sidewalker, how you been!
Hey man, I'm OK, and you?

Long time no see, where you been?
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Long time no see, where you been?
One of my rivalries on the site got too personal, and the risk of me saying something that would get me banned was too high, so I took a short break.

Hey man, I'm OK, and you?
I'm doing excellent!
Just working more hours irl and being super busy
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Its great that you want to be a head mod, ban me from this site and hack my phone and expose me and whatever else, but you still didnt respond to those 700 arguments I made. You realize there is more than one thread on that topic? Will they remain "not disproved"?
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Anyway, if we are actually voting, I vote no.

WyIted shouldnt be a moderator, let alone a head moderator. He will ban not just me, but also Shila, RemyBrown, Ebuc, and pretty much anyone else who he really dislikes, while he will keep the ones he likes, usually nazis and racists. He says he supports free speech, but do you really believe that? I support free speech, which is why I never supported or asked for anyone's ban, not even of people who hated me, not even of people who told me to kill myself. I dont even support WyIted's ban despite what he wrote here and his previous actions of making countless fake accounts to bait people. We should keep Whiteflame as head moderator. Do we seriously think WyIted is a better choice, or even a decent choice who wont abuse his power?
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He will ban not just me, but also Shila,
Correct

RemyBrown, 
Disable ability to start new threads

Ebuc
Easy enough to igbore
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Well, lets see your argument. "I find these arguments retarded, so ban the user who makes them.". Okay, I think your argument is retarded, but I wouldnt argue to ban you, because unlike you, I actually believe in free speech. Then you go and talk against copy paste. Its actually a standard in entire debating world to be prepared for debate by having arguments ready in advance. It is a good thing, not retarded. Then you talk against my way of debating, that I am not negating opponent's arguments. First, thats obviously false. Second, arguments dont always need to be attacked directly, but they can be outweighed or ignored if they arent strong enough. If you think that each person has some duty to respond to every claim other person makes, then what does that mean for you when you refuse to respond to my 150.000 claims on this topic? So yes, your arguments are retarded. I guess I am an apex predator here, and you can go and beg the mods to ban me like you begged for ban of many other users. But in the end, I aint hurting anyone and I aint preventing anyone from debating. You can ignore my arguments. You dont even have to read them. But yeah, you aint winning any debates, you cant handle that and then search for all these excuses to ban me. I guess I need to apologize for being a good debater who isnt afraid to debate any topic. Okay, now you can go ahead and respond to those 700 arguments. Maybe in forum?
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My cat is sick, and I have other debates here, so I might have less time to argue on this, but I dont think many arguments are even necessary here, given that my opponent is a worse troll than me.
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What are your thoughts on reform?
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Strawmans
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My cat died. He got into a fight with other cats, came home wounded, barely able to walk. I am not sure what happened to him out there. In his honor, I am pausing the combat here so I can have one day of peace.
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Our cat Rocky got up on my desk and rubbed his head on your profile picture.
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Thats cute. My cat was a warrior. He was a stray cat. Came to my house and stayed because I gave him food. He often went outside and far away in search for other cats. Sometimes he wouldnt come home for few days.
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Okay, pause over. Time to resume battle.
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What are your thoughts on reform?
You guys will need to do a lot better than this if you want to see any change. I simply aint falling for accounts where someone pretends to be a kid, and I am not really afraid of hackers, ban, fake morals or someone's inability to tolerate debate.
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Don't look at reform as a requirement, just see it as a possible option. 
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someone's inability to tolerate debate.
I have literally debated the same topic but did it in a non retarded way. Whenever you get the option to do things in a retarded way or a non retarded way, you should choose non retarded.
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Don't look at reform as a requirement, just see it as a possible option. 
You think its possible? Hmm...
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I have literally debated the same topic but did it in a non retarded way
I doubt that. I find most of your arguments retarded.

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That's great but you can compare my debate on making the FBI child porn database legal and those arguments and contrast them with your thread where you state such gems as

"Fight me"

Or

"You wouldn't like your freedom restricted (so it's only fair)

Or 

(It was legal once)
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Yes, it’s 100% possible. 

You have dedication and empathy. 
But I believe you sometimes try too hard to be funny and the punchline doesn’t always land because you cross the line alot of times.