Debate Mafia DP2

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Since I wasn't entirely clear about the deadline (looking back at the OP, it was hidden at the bottom and I understand some players messaged me that they thought there was a whole day phase), I will consider giving an extension.

If a majority of all players vote for an extension, I will extend the DP to 12 PM PST tomorrow. Submit this via PM, and don't discuss it in thread.
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I want to abstain but that's a cop out. Since I buddied lunatic last DP I'll vote wylted.
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Tomorrow's match up will much more interesting
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Just to be clear since there was some confusion yesterday - if Earth was scum, are you informed that your action failed?
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Is it too late to change your vote?

Vote for me. Wylted still can use his role. I was vanillized last night, but was told it doesn't come into effect until tonight, meaning my role on earth will still have worked, but after tonight I am useless. If you have reason to think wylted is town keep him alive. Also wylted will be more active than me.
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Just to be clear since there was some confusion yesterday - if Earth was scum, are you informed that your action failed?
Nope
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Is it too late to change your vote?

Vote for me. Wylted still can use his role. I was vanillized last night, but was told it doesn't come into effect until tonight, meaning my role on earth will still have worked, but after tonight I am useless. If you have reason to think wylted is town keep him alive. Also wylted will be more active than me.
Alright, I’m fine with putting in a vote against you on that basis. I think you’re both town anyway.
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I voted Wylted.
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@Lunatic
Vote for me. Wylted still can use his role. I was vanillized last night, but was told it doesn't come into effect until tonight, meaning my role on earth will still have worked, but after tonight I am useless. If you have reason to think wylted is town keep him alive. Also wylted will be more active than me.
Alright, changing my vote to you.
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your vote should count for three
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Ok, everyone switch votes to Luna
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Wylted has been eliminated and may no longer post.

The match Earth - Savant has begun. Submit votes via PM within 24 hours.
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I take it Earth didn't change his vote then... 
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So I'm assuming we can still talk
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Yeah I came on before the deadline, considered switching my vote, but I saw mr triple voter here is still voting wylted, so I didn't want to switch and have things end up being another "mafia decides" situation.
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Anyway this match up is way more interesting. We can use the sensor and oracle combo here. If we can put exactly 2 town on the Savant wagon, we basically broke the game cause scum only gets 1 kill. 

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Actually now that I'm planning this out it's not foolproof at all. We really fucked up by having Earth on this matchup, cause if mafia games the vote then we have no way of verifying who gamed it. 

Optimally we can get 2 of our towniest players to vote Savant, and everyone else abstains. If we get 2 town confirmations, that means town wins, cause mafia only gets 1 NK. So we just all vote for our confirmed town player to live and we win. 

The problem is that if there are 3 scum (the most likely balance IMO), then they can band together and vote earth. Or, if casey is scum and vote stealer, they can just steal earth's 3 votes to kill earth.
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how many shots is your sensor?
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yeah town fucked up bad
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Ok here's the plan. 

1. we put Earth (allegedly 3x voter), whiteflame (our towniest player), and Savant himself on Savant. 
2. now we have potentially 5 votes on Savant, so it's highly unlikely scum can game this vote
3. everyone else abstains
4. earth reveals the votes to himself
5. whiteflame uses sensor on Savant

Results... 

A. If we Savant dies and we get 0 scum on the wagon, then the game's basically over. Town wins. 

B. If we Savant dies and we get 1 scum on the wagon, then we discuss from there. 

C. If Earth dies, then savant is probably scum.

Scenario A is most likely, so even if B and C aren't great, we should try for A.
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Yikes
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The dead lines are kind of un reasonable. I care about this game even less now than I already did. Just hand mafia the win already. fvck this sh1t. 
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So… yeah, that elimination could have gone better. Maybe Luna could have announced that he’d been Vanillaized earlier, but Earth’s vote on WyIted in particular was a problem. In any case, I have no reason to disbelieve Luna at this point and even having a basically confirmed town player to work with is a big deal in a game where it could well come down to 1v1 with scum vs. town.
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@Bullish
how many shots is your sensor?
I have 2X shots.

Ok here's the plan.

1. we put Earth (allegedly 3x voter), whiteflame (our towniest player), and Savant himself on Savant.
2. now we have potentially 5 votes on Savant, so it's highly unlikely scum can game this vote
3. everyone else abstains
4. earth reveals the votes to himself
5. whiteflame uses sensor on Savant
I don’t love the notion that I’m somehow the towniest player at this point. I’m fine with implementing this strategy since it makes good use of Savant’s and my role, though I don’t think Earth has to use his role for this to work. Savant will publicly reveal who was on his lynch when he dies (I think that’s how his role works, tagging him to double check), so having Earth use his role as well seems excessive. I can use mine with Savant’s to determine how many scum were on his lynch, and I can put myself on that wagon as well.

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Didn’t tag you for the above.
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As for everyone else, you all have to make clear where your vote will be and then hold off on voting until we’re aligned on what to do. That also means sticking around long enough to have that discussion and then vote.
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I am voting for Savant
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@Bullish
Or, if casey is scum and vote stealer, they can just steal earth's 3 votes to kill earth.
My role is a nighttime role, hence why I said I waived my action last night. 
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Tbh, I'm not sure what the ideal course of action is here in regards to using our roles. I'd like to hear Savant's perspective. 
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I'm fine with the plan. I'll put my vote on me. My wagon should be publicly revealed once I die.