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@Bullish
cause popular is almost always town. I've never seen popular scum.
I’ve seen popular scum.
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@ILikePie5
Pie, I think you are the only one who thinks Popular is scummy. Though I will note that it was a scum role in the last Austin game in which it appeared. That game also had a town Vote Thief, which is what I am, since Kritiks undermine the entire framework upon which an argument stands.
If that's the case then I'm not confirmed for shit and should have just kept my mouth shut so I can live. oh well.
My phone's about to die so I'll be back soon but Im role cop - tree stump
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@Barney
Vtl Barney for activity
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@Owen_T
Barney is not playing.
Also get your shit together
Unvote VTL casey
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@Bullish
@Casey_Risk
@Owen_T
Casey you have a useless role do you want to volunteer for death
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@WyIted
I feel like we have a good chance to vote out scum today tbh, which would be hugely advantageous. That said, if we can't come to an agreement soon, I'll volunteer myself.
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@WyIted
@Owen_T
Barney is not playing.
lmao
Vader is nominated, Earth and whiteflame are off the chopping block for most people I think, I would prefer myself and Lunatic to stay alive, Wylted seems like he's actually trying now so I don't want to lynch him. That leaves Pie, Owen, casey, and Savant. Pie has the most activity of the 4 so we can PoE down to 3. I'm ok with lynching any of the 3.
Barney is not playing.
That does appear to be the case.
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@Owen_T
Owen, can you fully explain your role and justification?
Through my great logical powers I have determined that Barney is NOT mafia.
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@Casey_Risk
Pie, I think you are the only one who thinks Popular is scummy. Though I will note that it was a scum role in the last Austin game in which it appeared. That game also had a town Vote Thief, which is what I am, since Kritiks undermine the entire framework upon which an argument stands.
I mean in this type of game it makes so much sense to give scum a popular because townies can vote on death.
It's pretty basic. Role cop because of the examination part, examining people's roles, and Tree Stump because cross examination is extra time you get outside of your arguments.
Vader - Solvency - Strategist
Savant - Disclosure - ???
Whiteflame - Theory - ???
Casey - Kritiks - Vote Thief
Pie - Framework - ???
Bullish - Spreading - Overmatch aka Popular
Earth - Ballot - 2x Vote Revealer
Owen - CrossEx - Rolecop/Treestump
Wylted - Topicality - ???
Lunatic - Weighing - JOAT: 1x Weak Triplevoter, 1x Governor, 1x Justice
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@Owen_T
Do you flip on death?
I will say my role is similar to one of Lunatic’s abilities. It’s also practically a counter to Bullish’s role. At this point a mass claim of probably just the move
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@whiteflame
@Savant
@WyIted
We all should just full claim at this point. Put all the cards on the table
I do not flip at death
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@Vader
@ILikePie5
@WyIted
You don't need code to calculate this
Yes we do. It makes a difference that the scum gets a guaranteed town kill after 5 eliminations, and figuring that out by hand is messy. As complicated as the code seems, it's the simplest way to show this.
Did you account for mechanics like requiring more than the majority required to lynch or multiple votes for scum?
This is if a player is randomly selected and town agrees to all vote on them. Town outnumbers scum always, so their vote doesn't matter if town sticks together.
Technically we are supposed to do slightly worse than random chance. The point of the games invention was to illustrate how an informed minority (illuminati type org) could get the majority to work against their own interests.
I've heard of research suggesting the opposite, since people play as town more often so they have more experience that way. But this particular format may change that.
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@ILikePie5
We all should just full claim at this point.
If I die, the players voting on my wagon are all revealed.
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@ILikePie5
We all should just full claim at this point. Put all the cards on the table
I still don’t love this, but given the number of claims already on the table and the proximity to the end of the DP, I can at least understand why.
I’m the Sensor. That’s why I said earlier that I had further reason to believe Earth’s role because the information he gains dovetails well with mine given the secret ballot. I’d like to align my use with his if possible, but I also don’t want to tip off scum on the when of it.
As for the justification, there’s a focus on how it’s meant to ensure fairness in the basic rules of the debate and in particular on education, a common voter on theory arguments.
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@Savant
This is if a player is randomly selected and town agrees to all vote on them. Town outnumbers scum always, so their vote doesn't matter if town sticks together.
But that’s not necessarily true if someone is a Popular. Also we have a claimed lynch reverser
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@Savant
If I die, the players voting on my wagon are all revealed.
Name of role and justification?
Vader - Solvency - Strategist
Savant - Disclosure - ???
Whiteflame - Theory - Sensor
Casey - Kritiks - Vote Thief
Pie - Framework - ???
Bullish - Spreading - Overmatch aka Popular
Earth - Ballot - 2x Vote Revealer
Owen - CrossEx - Rolecop/Treestump
Wylted - Topicality - ???
Lunatic - Weighing - JOAT: 1x Weak Triplevoter, 1x Governor, 1x Justice
I’d still like to see Pie full claim since he suggested this and he’s hinted at his role already, and WyIted at this point since he’s still on the table.
Regardless, I don’t have a lot of time to write out my reads at this point, but despite some uncertainty on Savant’s role, I think we have the least to lose by lynching Owen. If he’s actually the Tree Stump, he’ll still have both a vote (through the mechanics of the game) and the ability to speak through next DP. His lack of activity so far also makes him a stand-out, especially since we’ll need people to be on top of the individual matches next DP. So my vote will stay where it is.
In terms of alternatives, it comes down to Casey (the Vote Thief claim stands out, though Casey’s come off behaviorally well), Bullish (the degrading Popular role is odd, hard to read it and hard to read him given his lack of knowledge on the theme), and Savant (might be using that role claim as a reason he survives votes/NK, though I actually like his statistics, even if they run null for me behaviorally).
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@whiteflame
I’m the Sensor. That’s why I said earlier that I had further reason to believe Earth’s role because the information he gains dovetails well with mine given the secret ballot. I’d like to align my use with his if possible, but I also don’t want to tip off scum on the when of it.
As in this type of Sensor? Interesting. I can see that.
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@whiteflame
I’m the Sensor. That’s why I said earlier that I had further reason to believe Earth’s role because the information he gains dovetails well with mine given the secret ballot. I’d like to align my use with his if possible, but I also don’t want to tip off scum on the when of it.As for the justification, there’s a focus on how it’s meant to ensure fairness in the basic rules of the debate and in particular on education, a common voter on theory arguments.
What does the sensor do?