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@ILikePie5
@Casey_Risk
As Casey already suggested, it checks how many scum votes are on a given wagon.
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I think we should lynch Bullish. It could present problems for us down the line if it can be activatable. I also don’t like how quick he was to proclaim himself town confirmed because his role is confirmable.
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@ILikePie5
Name of role and justification?
"Vote Oracle." Connection to disclosure should be pretty obvious.
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@AustinL0926
Also what’s the purpose of a theme if we can’t analyze character flips.
I think Bullish is definitely telling the truth about his role, but Austin has made Popular a scum role before. I myself was a popular scum player in UPick. I'm not sure how it all balances out in this game.
Something about Wylted feels off to me. The way he wants to play it safe and lynch someone who has a weak role instead of scumhunting doesn't feel like his normal town play. I don't like it.
Vader - Solvency - Strategist
Savant - Disclosure - Vote Oracle
Whiteflame - Theory - Sensor
Casey - Kritiks - Vote Thief
Pie - Framework - ???
Bullish - Spreading - Overmatch aka Popular
Earth - Ballot - 2x Vote Revealer
Owen - CrossEx - Rolecop/Treestump
Wylted - Topicality - ???
Lunatic - Weighing - JOAT: 1x Weak Triplevoter, 1x Governor, 1x Justice
I will claim after Wylted
So theoretically we could use the Sensor and Vote Oracle during the 1v1 during DP2.
Sensor will tell us how many scum are on the vote
Vote Oracle will tell us who was on the wagon
All we have to do is agree to vote Savant all the way
Correction, we’d have to make the vote 8-2 on Savant. That way we can get the most accurate info
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@ILikePie5
@WyIted
Still would prefer to get both your claims before the end of the DP.
As for strategies with the Sensor and Vote Oracle, I’m open to suggestions like this.
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@whiteflame
So you will be informed that your first role failed if you use it on scum and it won't afford them extra votes, correct?
Correct.
If I'm reading the second one right, it means you can stop an elimination, which effectively means you have the ability to change the number calculus that underpins the entire game. For example, if you can prevent an elimination DP2, wouldn't that leave us with 5 players going into NP3? That's part of the reason I assumed there would be no protective roles, but reversing an elimination effectively does the same thing in this case.
Apparently I was wrong about this, Austin just clarified for me in my PM. Apparently reversing the lynch doesn't stop an elimination, it just makes it so the opposite person who was voted for gets eliminated instead. Which means the only way I could prove this is if earth used his role on elimination I reverse.
Also, can you use multiple roles in a single NP?
I can not, which is how austin balanced the role basically. The longer I wait to use each role, the more the value it has decreases. For example, magnitude if used np1 gives a player 3 votes, if used np2 only gives a player 2 extra votes, and np3 only gives a player 1 extra vote, etc. Probability has a decreasing chance of not working the longer I wait to use it, it's only guaranteed to reverse the lynch if I use it tonight, if I wait to use it np2, I get 67% chance of it working, if I wait to use it np3 I get a 33% chance of it working, and I am assuming it doesn't work after that. And lastly timeframe is a justice but it gives delayed results, meaning if I use it tonight, I won't know my result until np2 which makes me eligible for a night kill at that point.
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@ILikePie5
I think you should definitely use Magnitude because at worst it’ll be a 1 to 1 trade which benefits us in the long run even if people distrust you
Thats what I was thinking, and it basically gives me a free cop result regardless.
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@Bullish
If that's the case then I'm not confirmed for shit and should have just kept my mouth shut so I can live. oh well.
I am pretty sure pie is scum btw
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@ILikePie5
I think we should lynch Bullish. It could present problems for us down the line if it can be activatable. I also don’t like how quick he was to proclaim himself town confirmed because his role is confirmable.
Alternatively, I don't like how quick you are to dismiss him as town based on stretchy wifom logic at best.
I feel like pie is trying to prevent a town block from forming. My gut is telling me he is scum.
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@AustinL0926
Vote count?
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@Lunatic
Alright, that makes a good deal more sense, particularly on the second role, and I understand the balance better as well.
About to board my flight. Appreciate the response.
This is pies suggestion to mass claim. He should show some good will and do it first. When I suggested a weaker form of this by asking everyone to say the power level of their role I went first. I said I felt like my role was quite powerful.
I will reveal first because he is likely to avoid the DP now but this whole mass revealing thing is quite obviously bad for town and it was a stupid move. I can basically cop dead players to reveal if they are town or scum giving us a way to reveal flips. Now let's eliminate the only unclaimed player
Unvote VTL Pie
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@Lunatic
@whiteflame
@Casey_Risk
We have an hour left and pie has refused to claim until it was safe to fake claim despite the one suggesting a mass claim which traditionally means you are also the first to claim under these circumstances. Since you guys are online please vote to eliminate him
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@ILikePie5
Any reason you aren't claiming?
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@ILikePie5
Also what’s the purpose of a theme if we can’t analyze character flips.
Here is the thing. My role means we could until you were foolish or sly enough to ask for mass claims.
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@Earth
Just vote him. His reasoning for a mass claim was stupid and he failed to claim first as most people that suggest a mass claim would and obviously I am going to be the first NK and so he killed our only chance to reveal flips
Elimination:
Savant (1/6): Bullish
Owen (3/6): Savant, Vader, WF
Pie (1/6): Wylted
I believe this VC should be correct, tag me with any corrections.
About 30 minutes remain in the day. Reminder:
If the deadline has been reached without a majority, then whoever has the most votes will be chosen. In the event of a tie, mafia privately pick who wins the tie.
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@Vader
@Savant
Please vote for pie or at the very least remove your votes
The DP will end in exactly 24 minutes.
So pie suggests the mass claim and then demands I do it first assuming I would be offline the remainder of the DP and he could weasel out of it. Anyone still online needs to vote him
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@WyIted
So pie suggests the mass claim and then demands I do it first assuming I would be offline the remainder of the DP and he could weasel out of it. Anyone still online needs to vote him
Actually, you do have a point here. I didn't like how Pie avoided claiming himself, and he is in my PoE. Okay, maybe it's just because of the time pressure, but you've convinced me.
VTL Pie
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@Lunatic
Alternatively, I don't like how quick you are to dismiss him as town based on stretchy wifom logic at best.
Your role and my role are direct counters to Bullish’s role. I am a DP2 Doublevoter. Starting DP2, I will be a Doublevoter permanently. You have a triple vote to give. I have double votes. What does it counter? A scum popular.
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@WyIted
This is pies suggestion to mass claim. He should show some good will and do it first. When I suggested a weaker form of this by asking everyone to say the power level of their role I went first. I said I felt like my role was quite powerful.
More than half of the players had already claimed without pressure. At that point it’s more of a concern for town than for scum