GP, a gleeful piece of shit human being.
Good for you Lemming, honestly man. You got clear eyes on American politics now.
Who is the real tough guy?
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So yes, he was Hunter Bidened out of his mind on that parmesan cheese.
It all makes sense why Zelensky did not want peace. He wanted the high.
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@Greyparrot
@Economic Situation
I would 'think worse, but do not know.
Nazi Germany boomed for a while, as war economies 'do for a time maybe, but can be temporary, and at later cost.
War can turn away business from foreign countries, though 'maybe Russia can rely on others as economic allies, I'm unsure.
@Putin Popularity
I 'think Putin is still fairly popular, from various sources I glance at.
But then Assassination and Jailing of opponents and critics 'seems bit common in Russia.
But I think a danger of such regimes can be a narrow focus of power onto an individual.
I think might makes right regimes, engender coups.
He is 72 years old.
Better for America to hold Russia back, and try to break it apart, than let it gain momentum. I'd think.
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@badger
@#61
Well, I still don't like the Left,
And many of my views are more about 'how various processes are done, than a lack of selfishness for America.
As well as what needs to be done to achieve security for America.
I like holding to one's word, and politeness.
America and other nations made promises to Ukraine,
I'd prefer it if America saw more the value in keeping one's agreements and word.
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@Lemming
Fair enough, I wouldn't expect you to know just how poor Putin's popularity was before the war or how bad the Russian economy was before the war.
But if the goal was to drag out the war long enough so that Putin becomes unpopular or to "Bleed" Russia, we are nowhere near that point, and that is going to mean a LOT more dying and a lot more money thrown away. Maybe as long as 10 years.
If the goal is peace, then we can make a deal today.
Security assurance costs can be offset with mineral rights. A win/win for everyone.
Better for America to hold Russia back, and try to break it apart, than let it gain momentum. I'd think.
That is a completely different goal with a much higher price tag.
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@Lemming
I like holding to one's word, and politeness.
Zelensky has been politely saying for 3 years that he could retake the Donbas.
He knows it is a lie, and I really don't care about the politeness of liars.
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@badger
Beyond delusional if you think this projects power. There's a sleeping beast stirring in Europe. The world is waking up to the undependable bunch of babies Americans are.
That's actually what we want. The world is always complaining about American influence and American citizens are always complaining about being the world police.
I find it quite odd that when the United States is attempting to withdraw from the world there is complaints when the complaints prior were that they were involved with the world.
I personally hope that Europe becomes strong and stops benefitting off the blood of Americans.
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@Lemming
I think Trump figures he could cut peace between Russia and Ukraine, at Ukraine's expense, to the benefit of Russia and USA.
In a good negotiation, everyone feels like they lost. Over a million people have already died and the foreign policy Hawks are disgusting by talking about how tying russia up gives us an advantage in a war with China. Why not just avoid war?
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@Greyparrot
Americans aren't dying so 'much.,
And the one's that are, are volunteers,
I support Americans freely fighting for Ukraine, if that is what said Americans want.
Better that Ukrainians continue to fight, both for their sake and nations who are not Russia.
I think appeasement is a bad strategy, both because I do not think Russia actions would change, and I think it will encourage other aggressive nations.
I am not so sure peace can be made today.
Ukraine surrender?
Ukraine and Russia ceasefire, that Russia soon breaks after?
I do not view Trump as a trustworthy person, nor would Ukrainians I'd think.
While I 'understand quid pro quo, and the 'existence of dirty politics, (Don't 'support it so much)
Trump trying to blackmail Ukraine to stand against Trump's political opponents in the past, is hardly endearing.
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@Lemming
Better that Ukrainians continue to fight..
I am not nearly as callous about the loss of human life. Ukrainians don't deserve to die just so Americans can live.
Especially when America has the full power to end the dying.
Ukraine and Russia ceasefire, that Russia soon breaks after?
It's better to try than to give up on peace.
I do not view Trump as a trustworthy person, nor would Ukrainians I'd think.
That's a valid point, and if they really believe this, then Ukraine is free to cut ties with America.
I think appeasement is a bad strategy, both because I do not think Russia actions would change, and I think it will encourage other aggressive nations.
That only applies if Europe continues to appease Russia by not investing in the European military. You and I both do not know if Europe will continue this appeasement.
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@WyIted
@#68
I doubt the Czechs appreciated feeling as though they lost, with Europe's 'Peace 'Deal with Hitler.
I think appeasement is a bad strategy, both because I do not think Russia actions would change, and I think it will encourage other aggressive nations.
In some situations, I think “There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others.”
― Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince
― Niccolò Machiavelli, The Prince
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@Lemming
I think appeasement is a bad strategy, both because I do not think Russia actions would change, and I think it will encourage other aggressive nations.
You don't appease, you just ignore it. It's literally none of our business and has zero impact on the United States.
What aggressive nation would it encourage and how would that matter? America is literally not capable of being defeated so it's not like we have to do anything other than take purely defensive measures and then nuke any country that attempts to cross our border.
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@Greyparrot
@#70
I view it as for their sake as well,
I don't think America has the power to stop the war, not without it being a gamble of our boots on the ground, not sure I'd take that gamble.
Better war, than some forms of peace.
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@Lemming
I view it as for their sake as well,
Again, I am not so callous as to order Ukrainians to lose their children just so I can feel better about myself.
Especially not when the end to the killing is a very achievable thing.
Better war, than some forms of peace.
That's very easy to say when your kids are not the ones dying.
Better war, than some forms of peace.
People are literally dying and the Ukraine has censored it's press, broke up some religions. Some of it's general's have been out in prison without a proper trial.
They do not respect liberal values. So the citizens seem to have a choice between living in a non free country or being invaded and living in a country that is also not free.
A lot of the stuff they are doing is not what America would do.
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@Best.Korea
Ukraine has to choices. Either step up to the negotiating table and get what they can and end the war. Or hope the EU will fund them, which they wont, because they are just as up to their eyeballs in debt as the US is, and lose anyway and get nothing. Trump will not fund this BS war that has no strategic value to the US or its interests. It's a EU problem, let them deal with it. All the US is getting out of this is endless debt and blood on its hands fighting a war by proxy which makes no better than any other country that does the same thing.
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@WyIted
Is it not our business?
Unless America withdraws all power to the USA,
We 'cannot avoid being involved.
It is the nature of powers, to influence throughout the world,
To ignore the world and be ally to none, is to have no allies ourselves.
To be alone, tends to be a weakness.
While I 'like nukes,
I doubt they are the end all be all of war.
Technology will continue to improve.
Nor can we ignore the 'threat of nukes in the hands of dangerous nations and individuals,
We 'cannot step away from the world and ignore nations,
Thus the nations of the world are our business, it is the same for all nations.
Nor can we ignore the possibility of someday superpowers emerging, that threaten to engulf the entirety of the Earth under one nation,
If such 'is someday, it must be a nation of 'our values, not others.
15% of the United States Budget on military while Europeans mooch off of it and only commit 1% of their budgets.
We need to bring ours down to 1% and mind our own business and let Europe take care of europe
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@Greyparrot
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@Lemming
To ignore the world and be ally to none, is to have no allies ourselves.
To be alone, tends to be a weakness.
Not when we literally are the most powerful military on earth.
Nor can we ignore the possibility of someday superpowers emerging, that threaten to engulf the entirety of the Earth under one nation,
Nobody would do that. If we live in peace with others they literally have no incentive to attack us. Remove incentives and we don't have to worry about how powerful they get. It's kind of sick to play power games at all
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@Lemming
Would you then have told the Czechs to surrender to Hitler?For their own good of 'course?
I would have given entire Europe to Hitler. All USA achieved instead is giving almost entire Europe to Stalin.
I think there is an underlying type of superiority complex as well. While we should be proud to be Americans, we shouldn't consider ourself better than other nations. We literally get zero benefit from the military being world police. We shouldn't be invading countries or doing anything that doesn't directly benefit us. Why did we invade Iraq or Afghanistan or Vietnam? People dying is bad and the future we were promised after WW2 hasn't come to fruition. We don't have world peace
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@WyIted
@#81
We are the most powerful 'today,
Not in all tomorrows.
The maps of nations will inevitably change,
All we can do is hold on as best we can,
And 'avoiding the world by plunging our head into the sand, is in my view 'not the best we can.
. . .
Throughout history, peaceful countries are attacked.
Additionally, given how often America changes policy, one cannot 'assume isolationism forever,
Thus American involvement in the world,
Thus likelihood on conflict someday,
Thus we must 'continue to stay in the game, and shape it that we are not disadvantaged in inevitable wars to come.
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@sadolite
Well, recent skirmishes that the USA has started, have resulted in a total mess and a sharp exit when the going got tough.
At least the Ukrainians are sticking in there.
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@Greyparrot
Thank goodness the Orange dick brain wasn't in charge back then. We know who would have sided with.
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@Lemming
Would you recommend the same course of action for other countries? Should Haiti do this for example?
What is the ethical thing to do?
Is it more ethical to seek peace or to try to be the biggest dog on the block and dominate others?
Also what do you make of the world prior to Trump, say when George Bush was in office bitching about America being world police and now trying to call america bad guys because we no longer seek to do that?
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@zedvictor4
Well, recent skirmishes that the USA has started, have resulted in a total mess and a sharp exit when the going got tough.
So the USA ducks up every skirmish they get into therefore they should get into more? Explain this logic LOL
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@Lemming
And how did all those Czech children dying change anything?
Many losing wars ended up with needless slaughter. Knowing when to surrender is the highest thought process.
Did all those needless Japanese deaths matter in WW2?
Ukraine just needs to wait for now, sign a cease fire, and hope for Europe to stop appeasing Russia and start funding a military.
Putin said the borders that were drawn by Lenin and by Stalin, partially as a result of the First and Second World War, are illegitimate and have to go. And if those borders have to go, well, then there is no obvious stopping point: Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Georgia, Moldova, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia—all the successor republics are going to ask, “Are we next?”