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@Lemming
As well as appeasement encouraging aggression by other countries.
Peace through strength.
When Europe decides it wants to have peace, they will get a strong military.
Who is the real tough guy?
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@Savant
Nuke who? Another country with nukes?
Yes, the ideal is to get them with so many so fast that retaliatory nuking is impossible. What's the point of being the biggest dog on the block if you can't bully people. We could literally bully our way to world peace right now and get nuclear disarmament from every non NATO country.
Any theories on why JD Vance was speaking out of turn to rile Trump and zelensky up?
Here is one take on the situation
a lot of Vance's comments were aimed at previous Biden/Democrat administration and their handling of the war(like how we will conduct diplomacy better because dems fumbled diplomacy), they were purely made for domestic conservatives audience. But Zelensky is a tard who just cant read the fucking room and had to take baits not even aimed at him, because huh huh look at me I am the main character and the defender of the free world and all that. Literally all he had to say is just repeat Starmer's point and try to get Trump to at least commit a US air force presence security guarantee, that all he had to fucking do
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@WyIted
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@Lemming
Honestly zelensky should have just bent over and taken anything thrown his way. The war was about to end
Why do people not understand realpolitik?
This minerals deal was a backdoor scheme to pull Ukraine under the US's security umbrella almost immediately. To get around the fact that Ukraine has ZERO legal path to NATO membership before 2040, at the earliest?
NATO has rules. Its an organization with a charter, bylaws, etc. UKRAINE CANNOT JOIN. Not until it is no longer in a military conflict, and all of its border disputes are settled with treaties. And then a ten year waiting period.
NATO countries are NOT ALLOWED to have troops in Ukraine, simply by virtue of being members of NATO, while Ukraine is in a military conflict with disputed borders.
Ergo, there is ZERO possibility of any troops from NATO countries being stationed there before 2040, IF EVER.
So how could the US find a way around all of these limitations that we can actually protect Ukraine from future Russian invasion?
Diplomatic-legal chicanery: have US-domiciled companies running businesses that are considered vital to the national security interests of the US operating inside Ukrainian borders.
That way, if Russia considers future invasions, the USA can pre-empt the Russkies and say "our national security interests are at stake, so we would consider any such action on Russia's part an act of war against the US".
So this deal would have given Ukraine an IMPLICIT security guarantee from the USA itself. Not even weak-willed NATO, but the USA. And from day 1; not 10 years after all military conflicts are ended and all border conflicts have come to a legal conclusion.
Because Ukraine CANNOT have an EXPLICIT security guarantee.
Yet Trump figured out a way around all of this. Found a way to get Ukraine under its security umbrella. Almost immediately, in fact, if Ukraine wanted it:
- declare a ceasefire;
- get the US mineral deal signed;
- make a peace with Russia; and
- US companies with national security goals go in
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@Greyparrot
@ILikePie5
@Lemming
You guys need to stop what you are doing to watch this 30 second clip
https://files.catbox.moe/j4t067.mp4
lol
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@Greyparrot
"Don't tell us what to feel, you are in no position to dictate to us how to feel"My favorite quote.
#2 and #3 are "Seig Heils" and "I love Putin"
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@Savant
Khrushchev was right.“We will take Americawithout firing a shot. We do not have to invade the U.S. We will destroy youfrom within”. - Nikita Khrushchev 1956I think it's underestimated how much leeway America has to screw up and not collapse. The country survived some pretty awful leaders, slavery, the Jim Crow era, Civil War, and basically throwing money in a hole every year. Some things are too big to fail easily.
That's what everyone thought about Germany in the 1930s.
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@Greyparrot
A Zedku for Greyparrot.
Trump wants to be GOD.
In a red hat.
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@Sidewalker
Lol, Germany fell way before 1930, and America's actual Hitler will look nothing like your scary orange scapegoat.
Make a deal to end the war with Russia or the US is out. We will not fund this fucking war anymore, find someone else to bank roll it. Let Europe bank role it if they believe in it so much.
Most excellent.
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@zedvictor4
Churchill was a better god. He wouldn't let a little pug tell England what to do.
Ukraine's military can not defeat Russia's military no matter how much outside funding they get. Now with that said if Ukraine's military could defeat the Russian military that would mean Russia isn't really a threat to the US or anyone else for that matter. This is an unwinnable war and needs to end and Ukraine has no cards to play at the negation table. We could start WW3 on their behalf if you like.
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@sadolite
Ukraine's military can not defeat Russia's military no matter how much outside funding they get
Kinda hard to defeat Russia and North Korea and China.
Ukraine isnt Afghanistan. Russia isnt stupid enough to repeat the mistake they made in Afghanistan, and Ukraine isnt smart enough to understand how Afghanistan won.
The mere choice to fight front warfare was doomed to failure, since Russia can use artillery to constantly weaken enemy's front and destroy its troops.
Sun Tzu said that men are more important than territory.
Ukraine thinks the opposite.
Ukraine sacrifices men to gain territory, which is a failed strategy because when you lose men, it is harder to defend the gained territory. And likewise, when you lose territory but gain advantage in manpower, it is easier to win back territory. Territory can be captured again, but you cannot make up for lost men.
In this way, Ukraine's strategy to fight a front warfare to save territory resulted in loss of men and equipment, which made it impossible for Ukraine to sustain long term war.
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@Lemming
What I decided, is that I feel terribly embarrassed for America, by that meeting.
Embarrassment is an endearing quality.
Good man, Lemming.
Good man, Lemming.
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@WyIted
Where did you copy that summary? That seems to sum up my understanding of what’s to be gained here. I think Zelensky will return to the negotiating table, hat in hand so to speak… after he has tragically lost more of his countrymen.
I just watched this. Two absolute clowns.
I just got back from Rome. The whole city is lit up in Ukraine colours, marches for Ukraine and a Ukrainian bella ciao resounding in the streets.
No idea what you clowns are thinking watching this interview, but the rest of world is disgusted. Zelensky left that room with his head held high and has the world behind him for it. That's the truth of it. Two bitches crying at a man in their own living room surrounded by their security. Appalling fucking stuff.
Zelensky left that room with his head held high and has the world behind him.
That makes his military defeat only more embarassing.
Beyond delusional if you think this projects power. There's a sleeping beast stirring in Europe. The world is waking up to the undependable bunch of babies Americans are.
Appalling fucking stuff.
There's a sleeping beast stirring in Europe.
So you avoid admitting defeat by saying you were sleepy during the fight.
Shut up you fucking loser. What is your sad little life on this website making flea bite posts all day long at people who don't like you.
What is your sad little life on this website
Same as with everyone else. Debating is just people punching each other in the brain.
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@Sidewalker
That's what everyone thought about Germany in the 1930s.
Germany didn't have nukes, so they could be conquered.
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@sadolite
@WyIted
You might be right, but I'm doubtful Trump would intentionally enter into war with Russia.
I think Trump figures he could cut peace between Russia and Ukraine, at Ukraine's expense, to the benefit of Russia and USA.
@#37
The Risk video 'was funny.
If a bit gallows humor.
I would think Soviet Union involvement in Afghanistan, played 'some roll in the fall of the Soviet Union?
War weariness and frustration can lead to breakups in a country or regime changes.
I would think it is in America's interest for Russia to be made weaker, rather than let them absorb Ukraine and become stronger?
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@Lemming
I would think it is in America's interest for Russia to be made weaker, rather than let them absorb Ukraine and become stronger?
Honest question, what do you think A) Russia's economic situation is right now compared to 3 years ago and B) Putin's popularity within Russia compared to 3 years ago?
Here’s a balanced article on why Zelensky backed out of signing the peace agreement and what is at stake. For you “tl;dr” types, it isn’t even that long:
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@badger
Honest question, Do you think Zelensky in that meeting was high on Cocaine in order to deal with Trump's Bullshit?