Reading the first page, I’ll immediately say that I mildly dislike how fast Vader posted.
And on an unrelated note, I was role blocked.
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@iamanabanana
I can read just fine, but my point is balance wise this doesn't make sense. You can just unlimited-ly kill people, along with my kill which IS one shot. That is way too powerful for town.
Do you think he's fakeclaiming or that he's a scum vigilante?
Because if it's the former, then where did the kill come from? And a scum vigilante would be way more unbalanced than a town one. idk, maybe it's my own modding experience talking here, but I feel like having two killpower roles for town isn't out of the question and I dunno why everyone's treating it like a hard CC.
I will go through the list and give my reads, though they aren't extensive.
Greyparrot-Lean town? Hit or miss with this claim, it feels real, and I buy it for now. I think the role and claim are real regardless, whether its affiliated with scum or not is another story. Part of me doubts he would get scum twice in a row after his flop last game, but thats mod psyche I don't really wanna delve into either.
Pie- Lock town, based on confirmation of casey and comments made last day phase that cement this. I don't see scum just getting a townie role like that. Also casey was pushing pie most of the day phase, it would look scummy for him to turn around and kill her. Just doesn't fit pie's MO.
Mharman- Lean town, mostly based on his aggressiveness, which reads townie from mharman. I don't fully buy a lot of his logic, and I don't really understand some of his logical processes especially in day phase 1, but I do think they come from a genuine place. I don't really like his banana defense in dp1 especially in light of how she is acting and appearing now, but so far thats the only thing pinging me with him, and to be fair, a lot of people were town reading her dp1 not just him. He just gave me the most sh1t over it so it stood out to me. I think this version of mharman is too brazen to be scum though, and I haven't seen a scum mharman in a while so I don't know if I remember his scum meta too well, so far he is playing more town like to me.
Vader- Lean town, I think its pretty ballsy of him to claim credit for a kill, and we know there was two night kills so I buy town having a second killing role over the alternative that mafia is just busted OP and have two killing roles. He can prove his role easily enough and can apparently keep shooting, which is definitely not something I would expect mafia to be able to do. I don't see him claiming kill credit as scum regardless, and balance wise I think he makes sense in a 14 player game.
Owen - Null, scum? I don't think he has provided a lot of hard hitting analysis and has been bandwagoning a lot in day phase one. He could be lazy town, or lurking scum. He's mostly null, but I'd lean towards scum over town in this instance.
Banana- Probably scum. I don't like her hesitance on giving information and the "CC" on vader. She is clearly claiming a different role than vader, and largely her balance arguments are just wrong. She's only played in 9 player games, of which I pointed to a recent on that DID have two killing roles. This is a 14 player game which allows for more chaos and leeway with killing roles. If she's town she is playing this very badly by not cooperating with information that could be important to helping us solve the game, and she is also not thinking outside the box if she thinks two killing roles can't exist with each other. It's more likely she is scum and was hoping to ride her town cred from last day phase into a vader CC. I like pie, don't think she is lying about the killing role, but I can see mafia having some kind of killing role too like bomb or super saint, so it doesn't help her cause much even if she is telling the truth. Lastly I feel like she lied to me about having a justification. Her justification being "its about hamas so im a killing role" makes no sense. After claiming she knew what her justification is, I don't like that it was basically non existent.
Joebob- Lean scum. Joebob was a passive mafia player in most of the games of his I can remember and he's been playing this one largely the same as the last few times he's been scum. He seems to be just going with the flow and trying to stay under the radar. I don't like it, and I think he's likely scum. I'd like to pursue his claim at some point this day phase.
Austin- Null, largely due to inactivity. He has made a few posts that aesthetically feel town, but I just don't think there is enough from him at this point to form a solid conclusion, and I am giving him a pass for the activity since wylted started the game early. I am assuming austin will pick up the pace soon.
Barney- Null due to lack of activity. We should probably pursue barney for a claim as well this phase.
Whiteflame- Null/ slight scum I am naturally always suspicious of whiteflame, especially after ERB watching his genius at work. Plus other games where he has steam rolled as scum. I have a hard time clearign whiteflame in general. The only real thing I didn't like from him dp1 that stood out was his change in stance about getting information, after just pushing for information early in dp1 of the last game.
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@AustinL0926
Are you towning banana?
Caught up on reading, but in bed on my cellphone so not going to try to update the dashboard.
I trust Vader more than Banana right now, but I need to re-read a post from Wylted about Incels to ensure they gel (want to say a couple months ago?). Black pill equals death makes sense for most, but Wylted has a different opinion on black pills and Incels in general; but I am not sure paying for sex matches death. Again, I need to hunt town his prior statement on this topic to ensure consistency.
That said I don’t think Vader would be role confirmed if we don’t vote him and only one NK occurs. With how many players there are mafia could have been given a single bonus kill (as one possibility, buttered are others). That said, consistent bonus kills from mafia seems unlikely, so I’d be in favor of continuing to trigger his powers.
fYI, I assumed his power was detecting how many scum were on his wagon.
Oh Banana implied being a bomb, I think someone else already did that previously and there was no counterclaim.
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@ILikePie5
I’ll give my thoughts when im home from school
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@ILikePie5
Let me know if you think enough time has passed for everyone t post, because I think I know who one of the scum is (if it isn't savant)
Tbh I have a gut feeling that Austin is town. I just think the way he analyzed the game pretty accurately despite going days without participating (not to his own fault) and there not being any real gaps in his reads and logic makes me believe he fully caught up and read versus just plain skimming. I felt like if he was scum he could've had a lot of just pure nothing posts but instead it's good analysis and proper reading
Barney was one of the first ones to bring the character and the theme analysis into the game which tbh sort of makes me have a slight town read. I think he's the first to focus and think outside the confines of what most people are talking about (thought I would like to hear some more reads he has on people). Thus I have a slight town read on him
I still need to catch up. Ill give my thoughts soon, sorry about the inactivity.
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@Lunatic
My FoS with Luna comes from what I was saying in DP1 about him putting pressure on banana for not reading then suddenly backing off, which now looks EVEN MORE suspicious imo considering what we are dealing with this DP.My problem with banana was that she claimed she didnt read her role pm, so how would she know her justification if pressured? It actually is a bigger problem now because now she is saying she basically has no justification, which means she lied and that was the only reason I unvoted her in the first place.
Noted
I also just think a lot of what analysis Luna is doing this DP and some of the last DP just seems like, a lot of just letting other people control the DP.No one listens to me when I try and "control the day phase". Look at last game, I was yelling at walls trying to preach to you fvcks that austin was town and no one listened to me. That said, I don't have as many solid town reads this game as I did last game. And my main read was on wylted last game which I ended up being wrong about, which I realized in the end, but the point is I don't want to push lynches like that unless I am super confident in my read or if theres no drawback to them.
Noted about the less town reads, but from other perspective about no one listening I am going counter. No offense but I know after a lot of these games its typical for you to rant and say "fuck this im never trying again" but then look to try and move town and help control the game. I'm just pointing out that this time around it seems you really aren't as "trying to takeover," which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I think it aligns a bit more with your scum than town is all I'm saying.
I noticed in ERB mafia even when he claimed Justice, he sort of set the precedent for where he was and then let town and others just in fight within themselves and just edge them along. I'm noticing a similiar pattern in this game in this game as well. There is a huge fuckery going on in this DP that should be prime for Lunatic going in on this DP giving a lot of thoughtful analysis and it's just a lot of basic stuff and have really a bit of substanace to it.I don't know what you want from me, my vote is on banana, and I agree with pie that she needs to be helping this further by giving her information. I don't see the point in really pursuing other avenues until we can move past the obstacle that banana is being.
I never said I wanted to pursue other avenues. My vote has been on Banana and will not be off Banana this DP. I am just pointing out my reads.
Btw I agree with your joebob read, he feels like he is lurking quite a bit, which is something I notice he does a lot as scum. He hasn't really pushed any real thought provoking activity, or had reads of his own, which I feel like he would as town. That said, I am keeping my vote on banana until she claims further but I'd be down to help you get info from joebob at some point this phase. I will say that I think it is more likely you are town too, though I can't explain for the janitor thing that happened to savant, I don't see why you would admit to a kill if you were scum. I buy the wifom at least.
Yeah I think you are right. I also just feel like, similiar to what I said in DP1, he can make some thoughtful analysis but really just doesn't feel like doing it. That hasn't changed.
Another thing before I forget again
I really also think Owen could be some form of a neg utility that he gets. Remember he claimed he got something despite being vanilla after a certain amount of DP's and it was Wylted's view of transgenders. Wylted's views on transgender are probably not positive and maybe they get some mechanism that's a neg utility. That's just a thought but i feel like that's too much speculation
I really also think Owen could be some form of a neg utility that he gets. Remember he claimed he got something despite being vanilla after a certain amount of DP's and it was Wylted's view of transgenders. Wylted's views on transgender are probably not positive and maybe they get some mechanism that's a neg utility. That's just a thought but i feel like that's too much speculation
Catching up this morning.
Just as a heads up. If you see me online but no posting it’s because my laptop screen is currently cracked inside his LED’s and I can only see half of my screen. I am either going to respond on my phone or when I get home
Don't have much time, I'll have some in the evening/late afternoon.
I was kind of expecting to get an ability after the first NP but nothing yet.
I can't disclose much information, but I have reason to believe Earth isn't actually completely out of the game. I think you might still have influence over the game once you go to heaven/hell.
I was kind of expecting to get an ability after the first NP but nothing yet.
I can't disclose much information, but I have reason to believe Earth isn't actually completely out of the game. I think you might still have influence over the game once you go to heaven/hell.
Guys I am going to try and get a vote count up soon but we may have a problem. If you log out of the site I don't think you can log back in. At least temporarily. So I am stuck on my phone doing this.
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@Vader
Use the HDMI cord off your PS5 and connect it to your TV
Vote count
(2/6) Banana- Vader, lunatic,
(1/6) Vader- Banana
also it was due to my own slow connection not the site
Alright, having read through the DP and seen the posts so far, I'll go ahead and give my reads before I eat lunch and I'll keep this in order of town --> scumreads.
Vader - from starting this game with his post about getting three votes to confirm himself to actually doing so with his Vig on Savant (I can only conclude that Savant was unflippable either as scum or as a TP), I have nothing but reasons to townread Vader. The only oddity in Vader's claim is that he has multiple shots with this. It does seem a little imbalanced, but I can't fathom how that balance improves if somehow scum have a Vig on top of their NK that activates at three votes. If he was scum, it would also mean that he shot someone who could very well be his own scum partner. The amount of hoops I'd have to jump through to make this make sense is just too much, so he's solid town.
Pie - I was already leaning towards town for him behaviorally last DP, but the Casey flip cemented this read. Pie says he received Casey's full role PM and, from his interactions with Casey last DP, that appears to check out. While revealing this by the end of the DP would have made it clearer, the signs were all there in their interactions. I can't imagine how that would happen if Pie were scum without a generous dose of bastard modding. Giving scum access to information about town is one thing, but this amount of specificity would be ridiculous.
Mharman - From here on down, it's mostly about behavior and Mharman's argument with Pie last DP just looks too town vs. town for me to think much else. I just don't buy that this was a scum Mharman arguing with a town Pie, particularly given all the hints Pie was giving about having information and Casey's responses. I also think that scum Mharman wouldn't put himself in a position to be sussed based on his persistent scumread of Pie last DP knowing that he's town.
Owen - I still have a light townread on Owen. I want to see more involvement from him this DP, but his push on Pie last DP came off as townie and the Transgender claim just looks too much like what I'd expect from WyIted for me to dismiss it as null. His last post leaves me with more questions than answers - it's still unclear (apparently to him as well) when/if he'll get a role and he also seems to have information about Earth that he "can't disclose". I'm not sure what he's getting at with players having an influence after death, though clearly something wonky is going on with the role reveals.
Barney - This is more of a gut townread than anything based on his posted reads from last DP and his analysis of Vader's role. I don't think he'd dig into the thematic likelihood of Vader's role being what it is if he was scum. Also, have to give him some credit for calling me out as an evil time traveling wizard. He caught me, and I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for that meddling purple dinosaur!
Austin - Not a lot to work with last DP due to his absence, but he's stepping up this DP. His reads are decent, I appreciate that he's referencing back to Banana's previous play and engaging with Banana directly regarding her read on Vader, since she CC'd him. It's a good way to go, but he's coming off as null to me.
GP - His sheeping Pie in DP1 is null, his decision to claim early is null, and most of his behavior comes off similarly regardless of the game. The Crab God claim is an unknown, and at the very least, I don't suspect GP would give a black box for a fake claim, so this likely is his actual role. He did say that "there should be a player alive today that can confirm my role" and has hinted at knowledge of at least one scum, but since he hasn't clarified what he meant by that, he's null to me.
Banana - The main thing keeping Banana at this position is the way she started out this game with that 14 post business. I still don't believe that scum would look at their Discord, see a set of posts about their role, come back on here and post about the number of PMs they received. I guess it wouldn't be a first for someone to receive their scum role via PM as well as scum chat, but that's still a surprising choice. Apart from that, though, there's a lot I don't like about her behavior this DP. I can't assess the basis for the CC without seeing her role and she's been very negative on the prospect of giving it out. If she is implying a bomb, she hasn't been clear why she views that as a CC beyond seeing two killing roles in a very large game. I don't so much sus the lack of cooperation as I do her attempts to draw attention to the most town confirmed player chiefly on the basis of a view of balance that doesn't necessarily hold up. I'd like to get a clear set of reads from her as well.
lunatic - I keep switching Banana and Luna around, but for now, Luna's here. There's just a lot about the timing of his posts and the way he sat back from the debate over Banana between Pie and Mharman last DP, especially after taking such a strong stance, that I did not like. Though he does keep fluffing my ego, I can't say his decision to just leave off Banana's wagon after she posted one response and then jumping back onto it this DP on the basis that she lied about a justification. It's not much of one, but she did give what she has. I understand the basis for hopping on and off of her lynch, but the basis for doing so seemed half-baked.
Joebob - This might change when he gets on and posts more fully, but JoeBob has been pretty dead weight the whole game. A lack of reads so far combined with a largely peripheral examination of what's gone on throughout doesn't help his case. I'm generally against pushing on players due to a lack of involvement, and if it was just about limited posting, I probably wouldn't mention it. But there's too much fluff posting and, as of yet anyway, no insight into the events of NP1.
For now at least, I can see a decent case against any one of the people in my bottom 3, though I prefer JoeBob as the lynch right now.
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@WyIted
That graveyard is going to get really long. It may be best to start a thread for the graveyard, with one post per death, and just have a tiny summary at the top of each DP.
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@Barney
Great ideal
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@Lunatic
Are you towning banana?
Yes.
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@AustinL0926
Yes
Explain
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@JoeBob
You need to full claim
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@Lunatic
Banana- Probably scum. I don't like her hesitance on giving information and the "CC" on vader. She is clearly claiming a different role than vader, and largely her balance arguments are just wrong. She's only played in 9 player games, of which I pointed to a recent on that DID have two killing roles. This is a 14 player game which allows for more chaos and leeway with killing roles. If she's town she is playing this very badly by not cooperating with information that could be important to helping us solve the game, and she is also not thinking outside the box if she thinks two killing roles can't exist with each other. It's more likely she is scum and was hoping to ride her town cred from last day phase into a vader CC. I like pie, don't think she is lying about the killing role, but I can see mafia having some kind of killing role too like bomb or super saint, so it doesn't help her cause much even if she is telling the truth. Lastly I feel like she lied to me about having a justification. Her justification being "its about hamas so im a killing role" makes no sense. After claiming she knew what her justification is, I don't like that it was basically non existent.
Even assuming the CC works - why take a one-for-one trade? Everything you're pointing out is more just anti-town/inexperienced rather than actually scummy.
Idk, maybe I'm relying too heavily on WIFOM here, but I just don't see why she so aggressively CC's unless she genuinely believes in it. I still strongly feel Vader is town, but that's independent of banana's handling of the claim.
I'm pointing this out because this feels out-of-character for you - I know that you heavily rely on WIFOM, you were pretty much the only one defending me in that game where I fakeclaimed Jailkeeper, so this reasoning feels very level 1.
To be clear, I townread both Vader and banana, it's just Vader's not in danger so I'm not focusing there.
Even if there is scum in there, I think focusing the DP only on these two to the exclusion of questioning other suspects would be a serious mistake - in particular, I want to see more from the lowposters, although I understand I'm being a bit hypocritical in that regard.
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@AustinL0926
Even assuming the CC works - why take a one-for-one trade? Everything you're pointing out is more just anti-town/inexperienced rather than actually scummy.
Cause the character implicates her. Savant not commenting anything about 14 posts implicates her. I don’t think scum have a choice but to CC. Especially CCing the claimed Vigilante
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@ILikePie5
Explain
The problem is that I don't really scumread banana either, I thought her handling of her claim D1 was very towny and the emotions she's showing here are similar to when she got sussed as a 3P in a game a while back.
I also think a lot of the things she's getting sussed for are just more anti-town than scummy. coming from anyone else, I know this might seem weird, but we had a discussion in an endgame thread a while back where I talked about how I can often find low hanging fruit (no pun intended) town by analyzing the motivations behind their actions, rather than how it looks at a surface level. Put yourself in banana's shoes here, why does she CC? I could certainly create a plausible explanation for it being either town or scum, but on the balance of probabilities, it's far worse of a deliberate scum play than just reckless town.
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@ILikePie5
Cause the character implicates her. Savant not commenting anything about 14 posts implicates her. I don’t think scum have a choice but to CC. Especially CCing the claimed Vigilante
Explain how both implicate her? I might've missed something