I am going to be really surprised if banana is town. I’m keeping my vote on her.
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@iamanabanana
Have you said all of your reasons for sussing Vader in one post? If not, can we please see them
idk, this DP seems to be going in circles - I've said my piece on Vader and Banana - I'm a lot more confident on Vader being town off mechanics and behavior, and I don't think I'd ever support wagoning him today. My instinct still tells me that Banana's conviction is town, but I really question the utility of threatening to vengekill Vader, I just can't follow the reasoning there and it's making me worried.
I think Owen's claim is legit? Not exactly sure what he's claiming, but I very much doubt he's a mafia fakeclaiming, considering he saw exactly what happened to Earth yesterday. Either way, even if he's a 3P, I don't see any utility in policying him.
I think Mharman's curiosity and analysis throughout the DP has been really good - liked the callout on purgatory, seems very likely that Vader shot correctly (which, once again, makes it even more likely that Vader is town). Also, for what it's worth, I was scumbuddies with him a few games back, and his behavior feels completely different.
Same with Pie - the general aggression, sharp questioning, etc lines up with what I remember with him, aside from DP1 where his defense of Casey looks really good in hindsight.
WF occupies a lighter townlean space in my mind - think I've already said this, but he's offering a high ratio of opinions as opposed to just summarization/commentary, which is a good sign - I also think he's shown a high degree of care which usually comes from a town genuinely interested in the game.
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@ILikePie5
DP ends Friday night. I’d prefer to lynch someone tomorrow instead of today.
Anyway, if we’re going for Banana, I suggest we coordinate who hammers. It should be someone who isn’t useful to town anymore. Sorry Pie, but I think you might be the best candidate.
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@ILikePie5
Why are you not sold on Banana?
Frankly, it's just about how all this has rolled out. I've played with Banana as scum and this just feels different. Maybe she's changed since then, but I don't think she'd be this cagey about her role as scum, not with the alternative being her lynch. I agree with you that her role isn't useless just because it's known (I think she wanted to surprise scum with it), but that just makes it all the more puzzling that she'd hold back on the claim. It comes off as a move borne out of frustration rather than an effort to cover for something as scum.
GP/Barney/Luna occupy a middle ground in my mind, I want to put some more pressure on them tmrw, that's why I'm not entirely a fan of how this phase has focused so much around mechs about a few players, but it's understandable I guess. Barney's aggression feels good so I'd call him the towniest out of the lot - GP's claim by this point trends non alignment indicative considering nothing has been proven, while Luna exists I suppose - maybe I'd slightly FoS him for being more passive than I remember, but he did display some decent nuance in his readslist that I liked.
Joebob might just be scum, idk. I don't really have any reasons to be towning him and his claim is scummy because it provides a convenient excuse not to be NKed and could easily be based off a real claim, especially if town does has a KP role in the form of Vader.
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@AustinL0926
@JoeBob
Joebob gave fuck all last DP in terms of reads. Not a fan of it.
I’ll type out a full set of reads when I get home
Since we’re on the topic of reads. Part of the reason why I want to lynch someone (likely Banana) tomorrow… I should probably post those notes of mine too
Kinda conflicted on banana.
I tend to be a player who trusts my gut instinct a lot even though I'm good at explaining my reads logically. I don't think why banana boxes herself in this early by going for a CC when Vader is probably one of the towniest people in the game, and there's an undercurrent of frustration that I feel comes more often from town genuinely upset at not being listened to rather than scum.
If I go purely off logic though, the CC is poor (vengeful/super saint is nowhere near a CC of conditional vigilante, especially in a large playercount game which pretty much has multiple killpower being likely), and I just don't understand the sus of Vader. It feels really one-track-minded, and I saw banana demonstrate far greater depth of thought and nuance in Mayday Mafia, while here it just feels like she's sussing Vader for the CC, and then sussing Vader for... pointing out that trying to get him killed off a poor CC is scummy. It's the latter part I don't like.
I don't think I'll support her wagon today, idk, maybe I'm not going to look great if she flips scum, but it's just what I feel here.
Just trying to figure out the numbers here
Earth is 3P
Owen is probs 3P? Don't see a reason for town to fakeclaim, and I don't think scum fakeclaims after seeing what happened to Earth
So that's X v X v 2 for a 14 player.
8 v 4 v 2 is horribly unbalanced. Theoretically, the game could end if town correctly lynches two third parties and a vigilante shoots wrong:
-2 deaths to lynch
-2 deaths to NK
-2 wrong vigilante shots
And scum reach parity with 4 v 4.
I think 9 v 3 v 2 is the most likely here. 2 scum is just way too little for a game of this size, especially with 3P.
Operating under the assumption that Savant is scum due to not being added to purgatory (I buy this reasoning, he was suspicious D1 and I don't see why he wouldn't be added):
Then we probs have two scum left.
Honestly I just want to live in the easy world where it's Joebob and banana lol. Idk, I feel it's probably harder than that tho. But yeah, the thread feels pretty towny in general, so it makes sense that the last few scum are probs just getting boxed in and lowposting.
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@Mharman
DP ends Friday night. I’d prefer to lynch someone tomorrow instead of today.Anyway, if we’re going for Banana, I suggest we coordinate who hammers. It should be someone who isn’t useful to town anymore. Sorry Pie, but I think you might be the best candidate.
I’m offended you would think I’m useless.
JoeBob should hammer. He’s my next scummy person
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@ILikePie5
JoeBob should hammer. He’s my next scummy person
I'd support this, regardless of banana's alignment, if she's telling the truth about her role, that brings the most utility to town
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@AustinL0926
Honestly I just want to live in the easy world where it's Joebob and banana lol. Idk, I feel it's probably harder than that tho. But yeah, the thread feels pretty towny in general, so it makes sense that the last few scum are probs just getting boxed in and lowposting.
It explains the kill on Casey and basically ignoring Supa. The argument Banana is making is also atrocious. She’s more capable of logical thought than what she’s saying about Supa. I think scum panicked when Savant died and it’s quite possible they just wanted to eliminate Supa from the game because of hit. From scum Banana’s point, it’s a win-win. She dies but she takes a townie with her + NK, so a 2 for 1.
I forgot about Banana’s claim I their role would be useless (or highly mitigated) if outed.
I was already going to do this, but that really seals it.
VTL Banana
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@ILikePie5
JoeBob should hammer. He’s my next scummy person
This makes sense if we're concerned about her having a role that activates and targets the hammerer, which seems to be the basis for this hesitancy. If we decide to go through with the lynch on Banana, then yes, JoeBob seems like the best choice to step on that landmine.
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@ILikePie5
Your role doesn’t have any further utility to it. That’s my point.
Banana is at L-1 (I think)
Should i hammer now then? I’m home from school.
If i had to vote someone it would be Ana anyways
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@JoeBob
Not yet.
Give me time to post my notes and reads please
I’ll do it when I get home
I will say that something about Barney being roleblocked is off… why not Vader?
The latter will take care of itself if Banana is town (seems unlikely at this point)… but both are worth noting.
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@Mharman
Ok
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@Mharman
Your role doesn’t have any further utility to it. That’s my point.
My life is more important than my role lol
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@Mharman
I’ll do it when I get home
Just do it now, ur not gonna die anyways
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@Mharman
I will say that something about Barney being roleblocked is off… why not Vader?The latter will take care of itself if Banana is town (seems unlikely at this point)… but both are worth noting.
Could be because scum are full of noobs, they didn’t think Supa had a PR, or they thought Barney had a PR.