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Google "peer review process in science". Note the similarities between that and what I just described.
The study i showed that was described by the New Yorker was peer reviewed and you are continually disproved here. For example you say the Jan 6 people deserve that amount of time because of attacks on police and I have citations to show less than one third of them are actually in jail for that (at the time we were discussing it)

You made a claim that the BLM riots are misrepresented by the right as some sort of riot by blacks and then I showed you evidence that was the plan and intended response of the left with several citations, but I guess you don't like the ideal of that so you would rather ignore the actual fact that blacks are used by the left as cannon fodder.

I guess you would rather think you are not being pimped than escape the clutches of your pimp.
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That would require a string of meaningful words, I don't see any.
Go have a nice chat with your girlfriend or something Double. You are truly wasted on GP. 
He's 60 years old writing posts like a 15 year old would all day long. 
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great clip wasn't it?

TDS is the kryptonite.
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I knew what you were referring to. I was watching CNN when it came on.

I watch CNN to see what story they are selling midwits and boomers so I can have a response prepared. This story among others is then signalling a shift in how the Democrats or at least how they want Democrats to shift focus.

The problem is that latest DNC get together showed that the coup of the woke tards is complete and it means the party will have to either split in 2 and let the woke tards have their own party so they can still win. I think it was Andrew Jackson who destroyed the Whigs and it wouldn't surprise me if Trump (his intellectual heir) so thoroughly destroys the democratic party that they are forced into 2 new parties.

Don't get me wrong. I hope they continue to be slaves to woke tards so the right continues to keep power for the next 25 years.

The new democrat party can pull a lot of neocons and neo liberals to actually put up a fight, but it probably won't.  They'll continue to be one party.

There have been times that a specific party has kept control for 50 or more years at a time. It could happen again.

I think this latest election was basically about which party would have complete control for atleast the next 20 years and had it been Democrats than yes we would actually turn into Venezuela at some point, so I am thankful it was the right who won
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Why do people keep claiming the black community is being used as cannon fodder for the left? 

Community gathers to fight back after group shows Nazi symbols in Cincinnati area:

The right-wing base has nothing to offer other than being hate-filled-bigoted-tools for billionaire robber barons.









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This is how it works for most people yes. This happens because people become attached to their positions to the point where they are unable to distinguish between an attack of their position and an attack on themself personally. Three entire point of studying epistemology is to sever that attachment, and that journey begins with a value system that prioritizes the truth over tales of comfort or self affirmation. That's why I started all of this.

You don't actually challenge your beliefs.
I've already done that, it's why I came to those beliefs in the first place. Unlike most, I am not afraid to say "I don't know" and will not commit to a position until I feel confident I've researched and thought it through. The only thing that's left once I feel like I've searched everywhere and arrived at the right answer is to see if others can offer me something I don't have. That's when I come here, and sadly there just isn't much here for me.

You continue to watch the same types of content that create a confirmation bias and then you further ingrain your beliefs (see article linked) by arguing for the actual stuff you believe here.
Present facts and logic that is valid and which lead me to an alternative conclusion and watch how fast I change my mind, because that's what my positions are based on.
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It's weird how the far-left refuses to admit Malcolm X was right about them.
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He is just being critical of you.
That would require a string of meaningful words, I don't see any.
He is not a critical thinker, just a critic.
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I watch CNN to see what story they are selling midwits and boomers so I can have a response prepared

Same reason. It's hilarious to see what echo chambers can do the mind. I come on here daily to observe the effects.
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To be fair you don't usually clearly state your opinions so there is nothing to rebut.

You are usually like "we need some form of gun control"

Which is something literally everyone agrees with. Most of the time you get distracted by personalities.

We might actually agree on a lot but you only whine about people and I tend to like the people you whine about.

For example I stated that black people are often used as cannon fodder for communists and you just refuse to take a position. You won't agree with or disagree with that point. I think you briefly disagreed until I showed evidence but then just want to argue about pointless shit.

This thread isn't even that serious it shows some hypocrisy of the left based on their own words and it's not meant to be taken seriously but you come in and say something like "J6 was worse".

So what, whether it is or isn't worse that's not what's being discussed here. What's being discussed here here is some hypocrisy.

If you started a thread showing conservatives are hypocritical on some point that would be great, I wouldn't distract from it.

In fact discussing the hypocrisy could get us somewhere but you aren't into discussing the specifics. You like keeping stuff general.

If you wanted to you could get into either defending the hypocrisy by bringing up some nuance or by attacking it and saying yes it is hypocritical.

Saying it's hypocritical doesn't even mean you have to disagree with their actions, maybe you just disagree with their stated reasons, but you refuse to take a stand.
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I watch CNN to see what story they are selling midwits and boomers so I can have a response prepared

Same reason. It's hilarious to see what echo chambers can do the mind. I come on here daily to observe the effects.
We are here too to watch you display the effects.
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It's weird how the far-left refuses to admit Malcolm X was right about them
They honestly try to pretend he doesn't exist. Personally ai think he's kind of cool. I watch interviews with him and I haven't read his book but I don't see a whole lot of stuff he says that I disagree with
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Greyparrot has blocked me and much of the time when i add Wylted to the mentions it says he’s offline and i’m unable to post to him. 
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Lol, I blocked you years ago for being an unapologetic, rude sonofabitch. I didn't really care that you were a Marxist.

I don't mind having a conversation with far-left radical Marxists like DoubleR as long as they are halfway civil about it.

Badger gets a pass because he's Irish, so that's just an Irishman being friendly.
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Greyparrot has blocked me and much of the time when i add Wylted to the mentions it says he’s offline and i’m unable to post to him. 
Click on their name. It will take you to their profile where it will say if you are being blocked in red.
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The only thing that's left once I feel like I've searched everywhere and arrived at the right answer is to see if others can offer me something I don't have. That's when I come here, and sadly there just isn't much here for me.
There is plenty wrong with this. Besides the part where you think you have a correct belief. None of my beliefs are correct for the record though I think I am closer to the truth than you,

However if you would revisit maybe the only thread where I put in serious effort to prove something wrong. At least in threads we appear in together.

I completely proved RCV was a bad thing and was more harmful than good and you essentially said and obviously I am paraphrasing.

"Just because RCV always fails everywhere it is tried, doesn't mean we shouldn't have RCV"

I think to steel man your argument you were trying to say if an ideal seems good we should try to make it work as opposed to the more practical and pragmatic solution of sticking with things we know work
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I haven't blocked you. The l in my name is actually a capital "i"

You may be attempting to tag my old account


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I haven't blocked you. The l in my name is actually a capital "i"

You may be attempting to tag my old account
Why have you blocked me, Shila? Please remove the block so I don’t have to edit every reply.
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Greyparrot has blocked me.

Greyparrot, wanting capitalism to be healthy doesn’t make you a radical Marxist. It just makes you a regular Marxist. Radical Marxists are Stalinists which i am not. 
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Oh okay, my bad. 
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Only because I am finding you tagging me in 20 posts a day which makes me miss other people. I will unblock you but if I get 50 alerts a day again I will have to go back to it
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Only because I am finding you tagging me in 20 posts a day which makes me miss other people. I will unblock you but if I get 50 alerts a day again I will have to go back to it
Thank you. It’s a deal.
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Google "peer review process in science". Note the similarities between that and what I just described.
The study i showed that was described by the New Yorker was peer reviewed
The conversation here began when I pointed out that one of the best ways to see whether your conclusions are right is to test them by presenting them to people who disagree. You told me that was wrong. So if you know what peer review is and you value it, how am I wrong?

For example you say the Jan 6 people deserve that amount of time because of attacks on police
I have never taken a position on whether the J6 rioters deserve any specific amount of time, so this is yet another reimagination of  what I said.

and I have citations to show less than one third of them are actually in jail for that (at the time we were discussing it)
I never argued over whether J6 rioters were or weren't in jail for their crimes, so how would any of this address anything I said?

You made a claim that the BLM riots are misrepresented by the right as some sort of riot by blacks
No, I didn't. Why are you so averse to reading the words I write?

I argued that the riots are misrepresented in the sense that they are portrayed as a direct product of left wing ideology and condoned by the political left when it was really little more than opportunism for people who just wanted to steal things and break shit.

The fact is that the majority of those who actually cared about this cause were deeply against the riots because they recognized the way they would be painted politically as a valid source of opposition to everything the protesters were standing for, which is exactly what happened. Black lives matter used to be a mostly non-controversial statement, now it's been turned by the political right into a "woke" phrase and interpreted as solidarity with people who belive in burning buildings down as justice. It's complete bullshit but that's how propaganda works.

I guess you don't like the ideal of that so you would rather ignore the actual fact that blacks are used by the left as cannon fodder.
I ignore this talking point because it's stupid and has nothing to do with anything I'm talking about. What value do you really think there is in talking about this?

I guess you would rather think you are not being pimped than escape the clutches of your pimp.
This is just another one of those "I'm not a serious person to argue with" confirmations.

To be fair you don't usually clearly state your opinions so there is nothing to rebut.
I think the greater problem is that you don't read. But even if you have a point here and I have work to do on my communication you don't help the situation either, all you do is come back with strawman after strawman never questioning why I would believe something so apparently ridiculous (in your view) and then without any meaningful opportunity for clarification move on to how I'm being pimped by my master. If you don't think my positions are being clearly stated why not ask more questions?

There is plenty wrong with this. Besides the part where you think you have a correct belief. None of my beliefs are correct for the record though
To believe something is by definition to think it's correct

In fact discussing the hypocrisy could get us somewhere but you aren't into discussing the specifics. You like keeping stuff general.
It depends on what we're talking about.

I am very much into discussing specifics when those specifics are relevant to the disagreement and when we are on the same page up until that point. If your position for example is that the J6 rioters should be pardoned because the BLM rioters got off easy (as much of MAGA has argued) there's no point in that. Specifics in cases like that are just distractions covering up a fundamental lack of any moral compass and lack of any commitment to logical consistency, so we need to start there.
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I am very much into discussing specifics when those specifics are relevant to the disagreement and when we are on the same page up until that point. If your position for example is that the J6 rioters should be pardoned because the BLM rioters got off easy (as much of MAGA has argued) there's no point in that. Specifics in cases like that are just distractions covering up a fundamental lack of any moral compass and lack of any commitment to logical consistency, so we need to start there.
BLM are an insult to White Americans who are recovering from the loss of slavery.
Jan 6 rioters are an insult to BLM because they were pardoned so easily by Trump.
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I argued that the riots are misrepresented in the sense that they are portrayed as a direct product of left wing ideology and condoned by the political left when it was really little more than opportunism for people who just wanted to steal things and break shit.
All you literally have to do is google the Black bloc to see how they operate and see this is not about opportunism and then all you have to do is read Das kapital and read other Marxist writers as well as look at Marxist revolutions to see that the lumpenproletariat by design are used as cannon fodder to protect the revolutionaries who are looting and rioting.

So no the looting was not merely opportunistic and ai am not sure how it helps your argument even if it is to portray leftists as opportunistic animals anyway
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Wylted give me a non-retarded view on wealth inequality and Musk earning in a minute what the average American household earns in years. Whatever about your other extreme ideas around DEI or whatever else. You can't tell me this shit looks right. You don't have to be a Marxist to think it looks funny. You don't have to be a Marxist to believe in unions or affordable housing.


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Wylted give me a non-retarded view on wealth inequality and Musk earning in a minute what the average American household earns in years.
I am not sure what to say I would be opposed to confiscating money from anyone to give to the poor. I think such methods usually result in more poor people existing, not less.

Whatever about your other extreme ideas around DEI or whatever else. You can't tell me this shit looks right. You don't have to be a Marxist to think it looks funny. You don't have to be a Marxist to believe in unions or affordable housing.
I don't see an issue with unions. If people want to form one it is their business, my own personal experience with unions is they charge me a few to be a part of one and give me nothing in return. I was only a part of one union though and when I quit for a non union job my pay went up.

As far as affordable housing is concerned I believe in supply and demand. Reduce the demand, perhaps by lowering immigration than the price has to come down.

Increase the supply by making it illegal for private corporations to buy single family homes or making it harder for people to rent out single family homes and they become more affordable as well.


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I am not sure what to say I would be opposed to confiscating money from anyone to give to the poor. I think such methods usually result in more poor people existing, not less.
I'm not talking about giving money to anyone, instead laws that necessitate worker representation on corporate boards. If democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for a dinner, what is a corporate board?

As far as affordable housing is concerned I believe in supply and demand. Reduce the demand, perhaps by lowering immigration than the price has to come down.
Broke Mexicans aren't the ones driving the price of houses into the millions.

Otherwise not a totally exasperating post. 
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Broke Mexicans aren't the ones driving the price of houses into the millions.

Otherwise not a totally exasperating post. 
I agree. Immigrants are not the problem driving price of houses into the millions.