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@Savant
I have mechanical info, going to wait a moment to out it.
Savant, please claim your results, you have no reason not to.
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@AustinL0926
Savant already said his action failed.
Casey town for early aggro on GP
Luna town for early aggro on GP + townreading me when he could absolutely get me mislynched today
Vader probs town for SOP claim (especially if Savant is legit) + behavior
WF leans town for not taking the hammer
Still waiting on Savant
Wylted had an early vote on GP so that's decent, but need to see more
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@AustinL0926
@Savant
@Casey_Risk
Savant already said his action failed.
Somehow, I completely blanked on this. He also did state that his target was Vader, don't know why I forgot about that entirely.
Vote Count
Wylted (2/4) - Lunatic, Savant
Austin (1/4) - Wylted
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@Casey_Risk
It sounds like we are all down to luna and Austin. I think the last scum is probably Austin. I am willing to play ball and lynch luna assuming Austin is next but can we just lynch austin
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@AustinL0926
I have mechanical info, going to wait a moment to out it.
Is there a reason for this delay?
Savant already said his action failed.
Oh ok.
Savant is 100% town then, I jailkept him last night and there was still a kill. The fact that his action failed means he couldn't have roleblocked me or used a strongman.
I'm x2 Jailkeeper who targeted Savant last night.
I am Map Flow. This is how the map is designed in order to ensure the best gameplay during the match. Part of this is making sure that that PvP conflict doesn't occur too early. However, players will eventually fight at critical choke points and objectives. As such, I am the Jailkeeper, but limited only to two shots.
(I don't really understand the justification - I'm assuming the idea is that the map prevents players from shooting each other, thus roleblocking and protecting them at the same time? I don't play FPS games and this is the best I could get from paraphrasing my PM and asking Mharman for clarification.)
(I'm also aware of the semi-CC with Pie's claim - it is how it is, it's kinda annoying but I would have claimed something different as scum for sure).
My reasoning for targeting Savant was that:
Pie had hammered, and Mharman said that scum got a factional perk for hammering, so it might not be any use even if he was scum.
Luna and Casey were behaviorally clear.
Vader was towny and had a good claim.
So that left WF, Wylted, and Savant. Out of all of them, I thought WF was the towniest for not hammering. I decided Savant would be a better target because he frequently gets mislynched and as such it would bring the most utility to clear him.
Also - just to note - I used my jailkeeper offensively (i.e. as a roleblocker), which is pretty consistent with the philosophy I stated last game.
If I'm scum I have zero reason to:
-claim something similar to Pie when I'm known for being good at making up fakeclaims as scum, while experience has shown that honesty is the best policy as town
-clear Savant - yes, his claim is towny, but I'm basically boxing all of my possible late-game mislynches with my claim, especially if I jail another person tonight
And about yesterday:
If I'm scum, I either hard defend GP and go all-in on a mislynch, or I just bus him. It's atrocious play to defend a partner and then not follow through on it, because you get the worst of both worlds - you don't get credit, and you don't save your partner. I'm a good enough scum player to recognize that, and my GP read yesterday was just entirely uninformed.
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@Savant
Yeah, that was my bad. Corrected my error above.
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@whiteflame
Is there a reason for this delay?
I was waiting for Savant's results, since if he said his action didn't fail, that would be fairly suspicious.
He's clear now and I claimed, so it's a moot point.
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@AustinL0926
I jailkept him last night
I don't love this claim. The town faction perk seemed to imply a scum role blocker, and no one else has said their action was blocked.
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@Savant
If I was scum roleblocker, I wouldn't claim town jailkeeper, there are far better fakeclaims than that. Consider that scum could have roleblocked someone with a passive role, a role that didn't give feedback, or even have a redirector or deflector.
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@whiteflame
You're going to need to explain this one to me better than this. I just don't get this take at all. Austin's reasoning for why GP was town last DP made incredibly little sense, and the notion that Austin is town just because he was adamant that GP was town does not make sense to me. This entire argument reads as WIFOM because, frankly, no choice made a huge amount of sense for Austin after he gave his reads and defended him. Like you said, abandoning ship would have drawn attention to him after an already baffling read on GP. There's more than valid reason for him to avoid that by just staying off of GPs lynch and proclaiming himself absolutely stumped that GP flipped scum. It's not "some big WIFOM reverse psychology" for someone to realize that their attempt to shake a lynch failed and try to play it off as a lack of awareness.I'm not entirely sure whose lynch I'll be pursuing yet this DP, but I do not agree that Austin is hard town.
No, I think I explained my reasoning pretty well the first go around. It seems more just like you disagree with my reasoning… which is fine I guess but considering I kind of scum read you, it’s also to be expected.
Largely the reason for my town read is based on WIFOM just as your reasoning for scum reading him is. I think from the get go of DP1 it was pretty clear the greyparrot was a likely lynch. There was a couple naysayers but from my perspective it seemed kind of obvious it was going that way all along. Maybe I am placing Austin on too high of a pedestal sure, I’ve done it before. But I genuinely think Austin is a good player and I think he would know to abandon ship, and he had plenty of opportunities to do so. He didn’t just not buy the GP scum read, he hard scum read me for pursuing it. And I never even blamed him for that because even though I thought GP was the best lynch and likely scum, I admit that even I was entirely unsure that he would flip scum. Austin’s reasons for thinking GP deserved a pass were valid, I just disagreed with the likelihood of GP being town over scum.
I came into this day phase with the theory that mafia bussed GP though, the kill on pie demonstrates the second mafia is a bit smarter than the average pineapple in my
Opinion. Anyone coming in here and acting like GP was obviously scum and everyone should have known that is just going to ping my radar even more. Unfortunately your take here kind of worsens my read on you.
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@AustinL0926
@Savant
I don't love this claim. The town faction perk seemed to imply a scum role blocker, and no one else has said their action was blocked.
I agree that a scum RB is a given, though that doesn't necessarily mean that there isn't a town RB as well. We had it confirmed that scum also get a faction perk, so it's possible that they have a counter to a town RB resulting from that. That being said, it's hard not to notice that GP's JOAT lacked the RB, so we know the other scum has an RB, and it conveniently provides mechanical confirmation of his claim.
If I was scum roleblocker, I wouldn't claim town jailkeeper, there are far better fakeclaims than that. Consider that scum could have roleblocked someone with a passive role, a role that didn't give feedback, or even have a redirector or deflector.
Not that I'm saying your confirmed scum or anything based on your claim, but I'm not a big fan of this response. I'd say it depends on your perspective whether it is suboptimal to claim a town version of a role that you have mechanically confirmed instead of hiding behind another role and hoping not to be taken out by PoE. It's WIFOM. I take your latter point, though - it's entirely possible that there is another RB in the game besides you and that we just don't know what they did. Doesn't take attention away from you, but it's a fair argument.
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@AustinL0926
Nah. I know you're play style by now. There's a good chance of the following: You lost your scum partner day 1, and knowing it would sink your odds of victory, you defended him, knowing you could always WIFOM later. You know you'll have to claim eventually, so you figured you may as well get out ahead of the fact that you have a suspicious role and just claim upfront because you'll have to claim something eventually. The mechanics are against you, so you know your best bet is to bet everything on WIFOM.
Again, scum likely have a role blocker and wouldn't know about the existence of a jailkeeper. So why hasn't anyone else claimed they were role blocked?
A jail keeper and a doctor? Please do not be retarded let's just end this game
Wait wait wait. Might have just ate my own words. 2x jailkeeper with a 2x doctor? Damn.
I buy your wifom Austin but that’s a harder pill to swallow.
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@WyIted
Just seen that
unvote
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@Lunatic
Bigger question is if Austin is town, then who did scum role block? If scum doesn't have RB ability, then why the faction perk? As for why Austin would make an obviously suspicious claim now, I think he's smart enough to bite the bullet early when the claim is as believable as it's going to get.
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@WyIted
Pies flip tells us how much to trust your analysis, so I am not buying this. I town read wylted off of the town slip.Honestly thought not a town slip, AI am not more likely to know what the duck is going on as scum as I am as town
Let the anger flow through you Anakin.
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@AustinL0926
It's a bit suspicious that you haven't responded to any of this yet.
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@Lunatic
Largely the reason for my town read is based on WIFOM just as your reasoning for scum reading him is. I think from the get go of DP1 it was pretty clear the greyparrot was a likely lynch. There was a couple naysayers but from my perspective it seemed kind of obvious it was going that way all along. Maybe I am placing Austin on too high of a pedestal sure, I’ve done it before. But I genuinely think Austin is a good player and I think he would know to abandon ship, and he had plenty of opportunities to do so. He didn’t just not buy the GP scum read, he hard scum read me for pursuing it. And I never even blamed him for that because even though I thought GP was the best lynch and likely scum, I admit that even I was entirely unsure that he would flip scum. Austin’s reasons for thinking GP deserved a pass were valid, I just disagreed with the likelihood of GP being town over scum.
It's hard not to read this with an eye towards last game where the argument that I would never do something as scum became a reason for Austin to rally to my defense... despite my being scum. Like, I get it. I get that this is what you'd expect from Austin. I just find it a little odd that you're writing him off as, in your words, "like confirmed town" simply because he didn't end up cutting his losses. And I'll point out as well that I'm not the only one who has made this argument in response to you, as Casey has said virtually the same thing well after I posted my response.
It seems more just like you disagree with my reasoning… which is fine I guess but considering I kind of scum read you, it’s also to be expected.
I mean... we've done this dance on more than one occasion where both of us were town, dude, and on few of those occasions has my reasoning been that you've scumread me for something minor, which this still appears to be.
I came into this day phase with the theory that mafia bussed GP though, the kill on pie demonstrates the second mafia is a bit smarter than the average pineapple in my Opinion.
Really? Killing Pie NP1 isn't exactly uncommon practice for a scum team. Hell, we did it when he claimed (and actually was, to our shock) PGO. I think a lot of people come to a similar conclusion, and given that he was the hammer and had the faction perk, he was kind of the obvious target. Bussing GP, assuming that took place (not dismissing it, just don't believe it's the most obvious conclusion) isn't necessarily indicative of much, either. GP made himself very obvious by the end of the DP with that scumslip about the scum faction perk, and I say that as someone who still wasn't sure for much of it. The RC claim alone didn't make him obvious scum, but he definitely didn't help his case as the DP went on.
Anyone coming in here and acting like GP was obviously scum and everyone should have known that is just going to ping my radar even more. Unfortunately your take here kind of worsens my read on you.
Kind of wondering why you don't think he was obvious by the end of the DP. If that's pinging your radar, then there's something I'm not understanding. As for whether that worsens your read of me, honestly, I don't care all that much. If people want my claim, I'll give it. So far, you're the only one to put me in their PoE.
Just got up and 50 people are telling me my Austin read is sh1t. Idk fuck you guys. I have a lot of justification for it. But yeah I don’t think jailkeeper makes sense with doctor so whatever. I’ll vote Austin, but day phase just started so I can hold off on voting for now. I’m kind of not in the mood to post after having twenty people sh1t on my large post that I spent a lot of time thinking about so I’ll let you all just do your thing.
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@AustinL0926
Ok, just saw "scum could have role blocked someone with a passive role." Somehow I missed that earlier. But it's been like 20 minutes since the doctor plus jailer point was brought up, and you're the most suspicious right now. I can see that maybe scum targeted someone with a passive role, but these circumstances definitely make you the most likely suspect.
I don’t feel like reading or responding to you right now so I’ll let you win the argument since apparently the entirety of the player base agrees my Austin take is sh1t.
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@whiteflame
Didn’t tag ooos
VTL Austin at this point.