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@whiteflame
Targeted Vader
Gunplay Mafia DP2
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@Lunatic
@Vader
@whiteflame
@WyIted
@Casey_Risk
VTL WyIted
I buy a good chunk of Luna's reasoning. In addition, I think Austin or WF would have cautioned GP against claiming role cop. Hence, I think the second scum is either Casey doing a bus last day phase, which would explain accusing GP early on for a reason that didn't make much sense, or WyIted not caring and letting GP do whatever he wants. I don't think WyIted has claimed yet, so we may as well deal with him first.
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@Savant
I buy a good chunk of Luna's reasoning
Address my reasoning right now about the what I just posted last night.
That using connections to get jobs, and nepotism is the same antimeritocratic shit as DEI.
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@Savant
I think Austin or WF would have cautioned GP against claiming role cop.
1. He claimed 20 minutes after the DP started. His scum partner probably had no time to even tell him anything.
2. Scum PMs for all we know went out immediately prior to the DP
3. We know that GP is not known for listening to others so nobody is going to stop him from doing whatever he wants.
Now let me look at lunatics post so I can blow up that logic. Was looking to be lazy this game but apparently I have to reread DP1 and look for associative tells and solve the game for you guys.
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@Savant
I buy a good chunk of Luna's reasoning. In addition, I think Austin or WF would have cautioned GP against claiming role cop. Hence, I think the second scum is either Casey doing a bus last day phase, which would explain accusing GP early on for a reason that didn't make much sense, or WyIted not caring and letting GP do whatever he wants. I don't think WyIted has claimed yet, so we may as well deal with him first.
Not sure I understand the reasoning here for dismissing Austin and me. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if GP just hopped on, made a split second decision, and posted without input from his scum partner. He posted early enough in the DP that I don’t think his partner even had much opportunity to discuss it with him.
I’m not saying it can’t be WyIted or Casey (though both of them would have just had to go ham on some early bussing for that to be true), I just don’t think this reasoning is going to get us anywhere.
Vote Count
Wylted (2/4) - Lunatic, Savant
Savant (1/4) - Wylted
Savant saying he buys lunatic's reasoning is dumb. I just reread his reasoning and he has me as scum by POE, so I. Order for savant to buy lunatics reasoning he has to but all of lunatics town reads and for the same reasons lunatic does.
The reasoning for some of Lunatics town reads seem highly personal as well, such as him noticing Vader buddies his scum partner as scum and then him thinking Vader gives a shit about his opinion and claiming Vader would alter his entire personality as scum based on the reads of a town members who is usually NKed early on. (Assuming lunatic is town, which he probably is).
So when savant says he would buy lunatics reasoning for my scum read and lunatics reasoning of course comes from POE, this means Savant would need to buy logic that is highly subjective and dependent on lunatics personal experience. Logic
I don't buy it from Savant
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@whiteflame
I know it's a small detail but reread lunatics reasoning for who he has in his scum pile and then look at how savant claims he buys that reasoning and then tell me if that looks like stuff savant would normally buy into
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@WyIted
I know it's a small detail but reread lunatics reasoning for who he has in his scum pile and then look at how savant claims he buys that reasoning and then tell me if that looks like stuff savant would normally buy into
Yeah, I've already said I don't really like Luna's reasoning on Austin. In general, Luna seems to be approaching his PoE by arguing that uncertainty or hesitance indicates town unless he's talking about Casey for some reason. I'm not the biggest fan of Savant's argument either, but I'm hesitant to jump on him for that, since odd reads just seem to be his meta and often get him lynched.
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@whiteflame
I am on page 5 rereading DP1.
Savant seems almost frustrated that people are jumping on GP so early.
Gp seems to be playfully teasing town members. GP calls me scum he tags Lunatic and calls lunatice
Sir!!
I don't think Vader would immediately claim as scum knowing GP also would and his analysis of you seems sincere.
Also I disagree with lunatics reasoning but I am not really criticizing Lunatics reads. I am criticizing that savant would buy lunatics logic and agree with it as town when this is reasoning that savant is usually dismissive of.
I am only on page 5 of DP1 so I might have more to add later but savant seems like he is GPs scum partner and even frustrated long before the lynch at the immediate suspicions of GP.
I think at the time GP had like one vote and Savant seemed in a panic because he was in people's scum pool
I think it comes down to Austin and savant and I hesitate to throw Austin's name in the ring because I am pretty sure it is savant
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@WyIted
I'll need to go back through DP1 as well.
Vader and Casey are my strongest townreads. You're not far behind them, so I'd put you in outer PoE. Central PoE for me is down to Savant, Luna and Austin, so they're the chief players I'm interested in getting claims from. I'm fine with Savant being first if he's your priority.
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@whiteflame
Yeah he is I town read lunatic and you town read Austin so it's probably the best compromise anyway.
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@WyIted
Yeah he is I town read lunatic and you town read Austin so it's probably the best compromise anyway.
Just to be clear, I'm not townreading Austin. We actually agree (amazing, I know) that Austin and Savant are both concerning.
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@whiteflame
@WyIted
I'm fine with Savant being first if he's your priority.
Fine. I'm the Watcher.
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@whiteflame
@WyIted
I'm Minimap Dots, and I tell players where the gunfire is. Justification is left implied.
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@WyIted
connections and network.
Unfortunately in this job market, sometimes connections go a long way. You can have the hard skills but they won't take you for your cousin. Gotta play the long game
Alright I am going to give my reads
Whiteflame - whiteflame feels town to me. I think compared to his last game, he feels much more engaged in solving the theme of the game and also putting the effort to give hard character reads. I also see his going after some people a lot more in the deep paragraph style. His behavior is what I believe whiteflame does as town and is probably the second strongest read I have.
Savant - Savant is town to me. With him as the Watcher, GP's flip of a role cop, etc, I think there is a low chance that he can be scum. I think I also just have this perception of going in a loop of lynching Savant because he's scummy. I don't think his reads have been that different from what he's done the last game to warrant a lynch
Casey - Casey seems likely town to me as well. I find it hard for Casey as scum to go at their partner so hard early game and pull off such a strong bus to get them lynched. This deviates from Casey's scum play which is to apply pressure later onto their partner, while also sort of coasting through. She started the GP train and I think it's safe to say she's likely town
Casey - Casey seems likely town to me as well. I find it hard for Casey as scum to go at their partner so hard early game and pull off such a strong bus to get them lynched. This deviates from Casey's scum play which is to apply pressure later onto their partner, while also sort of coasting through. She started the GP train and I think it's safe to say she's likely town
My POE comes down to Luna, Wylted, and Austin.
I am going to have to take a hard look at these options and see which I think is more likely scum than the other
I am going to have to take a hard look at these options and see which I think is more likely scum than the other
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@Vader
I am just messing with you. It's literally impossible to find the best candidate for a job and networking actually helps businesses get better candidates by expanding their hiring pool.
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@Savant
I guess we expect a watcher anyway so I can move to Austin.
VTL austin
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@Vader
I don't know it still seems scummy that savant buys lunatics logic.
Do you buy lunatics logic?
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@WyIted
I don't necessarily fully buy Luna's logic just because he is in my POE. I don't buy WF in the POE from my reads. His play is much different from last game and he seems to be putting a consious effort into keeping up reads.
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@WyIted
Very true
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@Vader
I don't necessarily fully buy Luna's logic just because he is in my POE. I don't buy
I feel like I am being misunderstood. I care about whether it is sensible for savant to buy into his logic not if you buy into his logic.
It's a moot point anyway. The watcher claim seems good
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@Savant
I'm Minimap Dots, and I tell players where the gunfire is. Justification is left implied.
It’s similar enough to GP’s fake claim that it makes more sense of your early sus on him last DP, and I buy the Watcher claim as well. Can’t help but note, though, that you didn’t state what you did NP1.
Crashed last night after I got home, but I'm on now.
Austin- Dude is like confirmed town in my eyes at this point. He was literally the only one that seemed to hard town read GP and his claim, and was actively FOS'ing me for being on the wagon. GP was a sinking ship though and it would be clear to anyone with common sense to abandon that ship. Him sticking by his GP read even when it was basically inevitable, shows genuine townie lack of knowledge, and he knew he would be scum read if he was wrong (he even acknowledges this towards the end of the day phase). Unless this is some big WIFOM reverse psychology play that most people probably wouldn't buy into but just conveniently works on me, austin is town here. I just can't see him doing that as scum.
I don't agree with this line of logic. If Austin is the partner, it only makes sense that he would have defended GP during DP1, and he started off defending GP strongly enough that suddenly changing his mind might have seemed like a bad move to him. There is a bit of WIFOM here — maybe Austin just genuinely believed that GP was town and was willing to go against the grain, or maybe he was just defending his partner and hoping to look towny for sticking to his reads in a situation where his reasoning was obviously not believed by anyone else. Both are possible and I can't rule out the former, but the lack of solid reasoning for Austin townreading GP is definitely suspect.
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@Savant
I buy a good chunk of Luna's reasoning. In addition, I think Austin or WF would have cautioned GP against claiming role cop. Hence, I think the second scum is either Casey doing a bus last day phase, which would explain accusing GP early on for a reason that didn't make much sense, or WyIted not caring and letting GP do whatever he wants. I don't think WyIted has claimed yet, so we may as well deal with him first.
Wylted is town to me. It's mostly a gutread, but I always trust my gut when it comes to him. I also believe that his townslip was genuine.
I somewhat understand your reasoning here, but like Wylted said, you have to consider that GP might have just claimed without his partner's feedback. For all we know, the partner might not have even been online when he claimed, which would point to Austin or Luna. Also, if you think it was Wylted or me, you'd have to assume the partner did some pretty hard bussing early in DP1. That would be super risky.
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@Lunatic
@AustinL0926
I think that Savant is likely town for that Watcher claim. It would be risky to claim something like that given Vader's claim and the fact that no one else has fullclaimed anything yet. The justification is... okay, but in games like this where the characters aren't literal characters, some of them will always be a bit of a stretch. Hell, that's often true even when the characters are actual characters.
Wylted is town to me, Vader is town for his claim in conjunction with Savant's, WF still leans town for me behaviorally. That leaves a narrow PoE of Luna and Austin for me. I'd like to pursue their claims.