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@Greyparrot
there's like zero chance I get lucky enough to hammer scum on dp1 lol.... my best odds are to not vote to get the perk today.
Reread the OP, you're right, you would have to be the actual hammer. Still, insisting on not voting feels scummy to me. Townies try to scumhunt. Scum try to protect themselves.
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we will see, maybe I won't try to use it immediately.


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@Mharman
Did scum get fake roles? 
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Checking in hi! 

I agree purposely not voting to guarantee an action isn’t worth no lynching.
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Something about Casey's vote throws me off. 
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All townies have the following ability…

Faction Perk: Disciplined- Avoiding the wagon on the day of a mislynch, or being the hammer on a correct wagon makes your next night’s ability guaranteed to succeed.
I suggest we ignore this bullshit .
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@Vader
Something about Casey's vote throws me off. 
Why?
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Alright, a night’s sleep makes participating a lot easier.

I only just noticed the Faction Perk this morning and, tantalizing as it is, I don’t think it’s going to have much impact on my decisions this game. It’s a nice benefit to being on the right side of a lynch wagon, but it shouldn’t hold us back from participating in lynches. I’m also not entirely clear on what the Perk even does, i.e. what roles it circumvents. It likely does prevent things like the RB from being effective, but would a role now be effective on an Ascetic player? I’m not going to go speculate about a variety of roles here, I’ll only ask that everyone who has a role that might be impacted by this inquire with Mharman about how the Perk would affect it. Doesn’t mean you should aim to get said Perk, but you should know what it will do for you.

And yeah, the Role Cop claim rubs me the wrong way.  The fact that GP initially seemed so sensitive to it was surprising, not usual for him to show this level of engagement with game mechanics this early. I’m not sure how to read into his paraphrasing of a paraphrased claim, especially since I don’t think he did this when he claimed last DP. Just a little weird all around.


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Oh and if there’s any confusion about Disciplined… it doesn’t work on no-lynches; it’s worded to avoid that
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especially since I don’t think he did this when he claimed last DP. 

I actually did do exactly that.
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@whiteflame
Not usual for him to show this level of engagement with game mechanics this early.
How dare you. Sir.
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@Greyparrot
I actually did do exactly that.
You mean with this post? Can't say I see your paraphrasing in there, though admittedly, there's only a little of it in this game and I can at least understand why you'd put some extra attention on those elements that ChatGPT might not.

How dare you. Sir.
Just call it like I see it.

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Sir!
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@WyIted
I suggest we ignore this bullshit.
Scum.
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@Lunatic
Something about Casey's vote throws me off. 
Why?
I just don't like how it was such a snap vote on Greyparrot on very little besides a claim. The fact that she voted so quickly for is not even like normal behavior that I've seen. Usually from what I've seen she generally eases into a DP, even as scum, and starts to build her reads. This deviates completely from it.
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I don't inherently read Greyparrot as scummy for the role cop claim. It is a bit odd but I'll wait to see how it affects behavior 
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@Vader
I don't inherently read Greyparrot as scummy for the role cop claim. It is a bit odd but I'll wait to see how it affects behavior 
The logic is if he was a mafia rolecop he would still probably claim rolecop. I can see it.
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@Lunatic
The logic is if he was a mafia rolecop he would still probably claim rolecop.
Yeah, especially because Greyparrot claims first thing every game, with little tact or strategy behind it. We should expect scum Greyparrot to come out and claim a scum role.
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@Vader
Usually from what I've seen she generally eases into a DP, even as scum, and starts to build her reads. This deviates completely from it.
Generally speaking, yes, that is my normal play. In this case, however, I thought it was pretty clear that GP's role PM paraphrase was not written by ChatGPT, which left me with the conclusion that he had to be lying about that. Combined with the fact that the claim was a bit scummy to begin with, and it was a bad look for him. I'll admit that I could just be barking up the wrong tree here, but GP set off a lot of my alarm bells right away.
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@Lunatic
The logic is if he was a mafia rolecop he would still probably claim rolecop. I can see it.
Sir!
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Yeah im down with the GP train, if we have no one to lynch, I say he makes a good default lynch. If we think he's a good option, is it even worth fishing for more claims? I personally don't think so. 
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If GP is scum I'm guessing his partner is supa. I think supa blatantly buddies a lot with his team mates, something I've noticed of his scum games. 
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Couple of things:

1) If a Tracker targets Supa, they will always see him visiting the NK target. If they target the person who committed the NK, they will track that person to the NK

2) If a Watcher were to watch the NK target, they should see both Supa and the real murderer.

This means that Supa’s role isn’t that much of a liability if we think about it.

3) GP behaviorally is different this game for sure, which is a massive red flag.

4) I agree with Supa that Casey being quick to put their vote on GP is also behaviorally odd.
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I dont think casey is being that quick to vote GP, I don't understand why his read is even that sussy when its well justified and its the only real push in the game so far.
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@Lunatic
I dont think casey is being that quick to vote GP, I don't understand why his read is even that sussy when its well justified and its the only real push in the game so far.
It’s not about his read being sussy, it’s the immediate aggression that deviates from Casey’s town behavior. I would expect a Town Casey to just talk about the scumminess, not immediately vote to lynch. That being said, GP’s behavior is completely different. I agree with Casey and you on that.
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Thoughts on GP so far?
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@Lunatic
If we think he's a good option, is it even worth fishing for more claims? I personally don't think so.
I know I started the GP train, but I don't want to tunnel too much on one player for the entire day phase, especially this early. Town-on-town violence screwed us over in the last game. Every other player starts with 75% odds of being town from my perspective (and yours, if you are town). Even if GP is a bit scummy, his odds of being town could still be over 50%, and even if he's a good lynch by the end of the day phase, I'd still like to observe behavior a bit more.
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@Lunatic
If GP is scum I'm guessing his partner is supa.
If you are town, the odds of guessing a scum team in the first day phase are just over 7%. Even if they have some information to base the guess on, I'd be surprised if a town player could guess the scum team with over 10% accuracy day 1. I've rarely seen anyone pick out a scum team correctly when neither scum had been confirmed. So voting based on "buddy" behavior is basically shooting in the dark as far as I'm concerned.