A lot of grammar errors in that post, but this DP i meant last. With town meant as town.
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@Lunatic
How do you gauge Austin's response to the 3p ?
Also my POE is as follows with these options
Removing myself
Lunatic
AustinL0926
AustinL0926
whiteflame
Savant
WyIted
Greyparrot
iamanabanana
Luna is essential town locked
AustinL0926
whiteflame
Savant
WyIted
Greyparrot
iamanabanana
I feel wylted is a strong town. I just find no reason that wylted as scum would mute himself in this game. Makes no sense and I think it puts wylted into town
I feel wylted is a strong town. I just find no reason that wylted as scum would mute himself in this game. Makes no sense and I think it puts wylted into town
AustinL0926
whiteflame
Savant
Greyparrot
iamanabanana
If banana is scum, I'm taking Savant out of the POE. I just don't think there would be a 3p to exist
AustinL0926
AustinL0926
whiteflame
Greyparrot
iamanabanana
Greyparrot is then my second best town read. I know his role is baseless and think shouldn't be as trusting, but he really doesn't differ from his normal behavior and I just see no reason to scum read him
AustinL0926
whiteflame
iamanabanana
I think this is my POE, however the alternative could be
AustinL0926
whiteflame
Savant
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@Vader
How do you gauge Austin's response to the 3p ?
I am not entirely sure where I stand on it, but I think he's right that if she is actually third party it's kind of a risk to let her live anyway as she could vote for a mislynch at LYLO to ensure the game ends at np4.
She could be telling the truth about being third party, but I find it weird that she would be given a fake claim. I just don't see a point in letting her live either way though. I don't sus austin though for considering letting her live.
Gp is still technically in the POE, but my POE is based a bit more on the reads but this is just my preliminary thought process
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@Lunatic
I am not entirely sure where I stand on it, but I think he's right that if she is actually third party it's kind of a risk to let her live anyway as she could vote for a mislynch at LYLO to ensure the game ends at np4.She could be telling the truth about being third party, but I find it weird that she would be given a fake claim. I just don't see a point in letting her live either way though. I don't sus austin though for considering letting her live.
I just find it a bit weird how he was set and stone on believing that they were a 3p rather than explore the options.
I also don't love wylted in the POE he gave too.
I also don't love wylted in the POE he gave too.
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@Vader
You wouldn't be the target of a lynch if you claimed DP1. No one was going to lynch you. Plus the fact you had a fake claim for this role is so off. I have been 3p in a bunch of games and never had a fake claim.
You don't know that. Also i cant control the fact that i was given a fake claim. consider this; why would i tell everyone my fake claim if i was mafia huh?!?
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@Vader
I just find it a bit weird how he was set and stone on believing that they were a 3p rather than explore the options.
Well austin did point out why though, its because he thought she would just take the 1 v 1 instead. I can see the argument there. She could have tried claiming ascetic to get me lynched too, since that was her supposed fake claim and town wouldn't have had a reason to buy my results.
I also don't love wylted in the POE he gave too.
Wylted being silenced is evidence he could be town, but remember, pie did pretend to be silenced in a game as scum not long ago. Wylted isn't town confirmed by any means, hes just likely town.
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@iamanabanana
You wouldn't be the target of a lynch if you claimed DP1. No one was going to lynch you. Plus the fact you had a fake claim for this role is so off. I have been 3p in a bunch of games and never had a fake claim.You don't know that. Also i cant control the fact that i was given a fake claim. consider this; why would i tell everyone my fake claim if i was mafia huh?!?
I can make educated guesses based on how 3p's were treated in past games.
Why would you tell your fake claim if you were mafia? Well you already claimed your "real claim" so I honestly don't know why you would. Maybe to draw cred and for town to keep you alive??? Honestly idk seems like a bad move...
Why would you tell your fake claim if you were mafia? Well you already claimed your "real claim" so I honestly don't know why you would. Maybe to draw cred and for town to keep you alive??? Honestly idk seems like a bad move...
The main question is, why do you have a fake claim for a 3p. No mods and games I've experience have had fake claims for 3p. Why is this game so much different compared to the other sites?
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@Lunatic
I just find it a bit weird how he was set and stone on believing that they were a 3p rather than explore the options.Well austin did point out why though, its because he thought she would just take the 1 v 1 instead. I can see the argument there. She could have tried claiming ascetic to get me lynched too, since that was her supposed fake claim and town wouldn't have had a reason to buy my results.
I mean that's the only reason but if I'm scum and I'm new, I'm focused on surviving as long as I can so I can win and I'm supposed caught guilty. What could be the best way for me to try and keep myself alive while also not generating attention to myself. As a new player I would be kind of inclined to say 3p if I've never played with one before
I also don't love wylted in the POE he gave too.Wylted being silenced is evidence he could be town, but remember, pie did pretend to be silenced in a game as scum not long ago. Wylted isn't town confirmed by any means, hes just likely town.
I meant likely town if I didn't say that, but I don't think Wylted would be the type of player to silence themselves. Wylted as scum likely wants to start chaos as scum and push an agenda. I think that's probably the best thing he's good at with mafia. Why would he willingly take that away from himself?
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@Vader
I can make educated guesses based on how 3p's were treated in past games.Why would you tell your fake claim if you were mafia? Well you already claimed your "real claim" so I honestly don't know why you would. Maybe to draw cred and for town to keep you alive??? Honestly idk seems like a bad move...The main question is, why do you have a fake claim for a 3p. No mods and games I've experience have had fake claims for 3p. Why is this game so much different compared to the other sites?
So your answer as to why I revealed my fake claim is that I am just dumb and purposely chose a move that would hurt the scum team for no reason, as opposed to the fact that I am actually just third party? Why would I lie when being third party is just as bad as being mafia, you guys are talking about lynching me either way, so what purpose would it serve me?
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@Vader
I can make educated guesses based on how 3p's were treated in past games.Why would you tell your fake claim if you were mafia? Well you already claimed your "real claim" so I honestly don't know why you would. Maybe to draw cred and for town to keep you alive??? Honestly idk seems like a bad move...The main question is, why do you have a fake claim for a 3p. No mods and games I've experience have had fake claims for 3p. Why is this game so much different compared to the other sites?
So your answer as to why I revealed my fake claim is that I am just dumb and purposely chose a move that would hurt the scum team for no reason, as opposed to the fact that I am actually just third party? Why would I lie when being third party is just as bad as being mafia, you guys are talking about lynching me either way, so what purpose would it serve me?
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@Vader
I mean that's the only reason but if I'm scum and I'm new, I'm focused on surviving as long as I can so I can win and I'm supposed caught guilty. What could be the best way for me to try and keep myself alive while also not generating attention to myself. As a new player I would be kind of inclined to say 3p if I've never played with one before
If banana is scum I suspect she is with a strong partner who would keep her from noob mistakes tho, it's why I suspected her initial post to begin with, I think maybe she had help with it.
I meant likely town if I didn't say that, but I don't think Wylted would be the type of player to silence themselves. Wylted as scum likely wants to start chaos as scum and push an agenda. I think that's probably the best thing he's good at with mafia. Why would he willingly take that away from himself?
I won't argue with you on this, I think he is likely town based on the silence. I am just keeping an open mind based on previous experiences.
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Claimslist
Deaths
ILikePie5- Eastern Philosophers vs Western Philosophers- Even Night Paranoid Gun Owner
Earth- Einstein vs Hawking- Informed townie (beginning dp2)
Full Claims
Greyparrot- Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates- Millionaire (can leave a message on death for town to read)
Banana- Gandalf vs Dumbledore- 3rd party prophet
Lunatic- James Bond vs Austin Powers- 1x Justice (Results: Savant and banana are not the same affiliation)
Character Claims
WyIted- Trump vs Scrooge (silenced dp1)
Partial Claims
AustinL0926- Not on the list, S2, Visited WF np1, failed.
Whiteflame- On whiteflames list
Savant- On whiteflames list
Vader- Not on the list, S5
Interested in hearing from whiteflame and savant, though it's late so I will wait for them. I still think Savant should full claim, since he could still be mafia / 3p with banana according to my results.
Oh and greyparrot, forgot he was still alive lol
VTL banana
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Banana (2/5): Vader, Wylted
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@Lunatic
this was the message I told casey to send in case I died...
"I love Pie. Please forgive me for all my transgressions and unban me."
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@Vader
I think it's a huge mistake to kill off 3rd party
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@Greyparrot
You believe she's third party then?
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@Lunatic
I think it's more likely, scum rarely plays so obvious.
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@Greyparrot
I think it's more likely, scum rarely plays so obvious.
What about austins point about a mylo situation, think it would be worth trusting her to vote with town over mafia even if she could potentially get the game to end np4 to fulfill her wincon?
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@Lunatic
I've played 3p before, town way overblows those risks with little justification.
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@Lunatic
Most 3p don't feel nearly as motivated for their wincon as town or Mafia unless 3p is in a team...I doubt banana is in a 3p team.
a dead banana is one less variable for Mafia to worry about. The risks for Mafiateam are close to those of town, so it makes no sense to waste a lynch opportunity on such a small net risk to town.
Alright, I'll start with thoughts on how the NP shook out.
I think given Pie had claimed PGO straight up and was adamant about it in his back-and-forth with Earth, scum would have little reason to disbelieve it. So either scum got extremely lucky and killed him on an off night for his role, or they somehow knew he had an even night role. That's pretty specific information to have, but I'd sooner believe that they had it and used it than that they just took the risk.
As for the claims so far, the Justice claim does seem opportunistic. Even absent an investigative role claim so far (which WyIted might have - scum seem to have inside information on existing roles, so I wouldn't be surprised if they Silenced him for that reason), trusting the Justice role could potentially lead to two mislynches, and given how much sus Luna was getting last DP, I would believe that he'd pull a gambit like this. Banana's claim, however, makes me second-guess that. I could see Casey putting a TP in the game to frustrate investigative roles. Without additional info on who else this could frustrate, and with the fact that Luna apparently has one person who would investigate as scum on his result (scum being given this amount of information just seems absurd), I'm inclined to believe him.
Back to Banana's claim. As of right now, I'm buying it. I get the balance argument that Vader's making, but particularly considering the nature of this role and how it can win with either scum or town, I don't see it as implausible that it could exist in a 7-2-1 game. I'm not going to give Banana the excuse that she's a noob, but her decision not to just SOP claim at the beginning of the game might have more to do with when she came into it as well as the apparent existence of a fake claim in her PM. That element is the one that has me a little less certain because I find it distinctly odd that someone with this role would get a fake claim when scum apparently didn't, but the rest of the claim doesn't line up with what I'd expect if she's scum. Drawing attention to herself at this stage and doing so shortly after the Justice claim with her as a target just doesn't add up. That's also going to explain my read on Savant, since it wouldn't make sense for the Justice to show these two as having different affiliations if he's scum. There's a chance that he has some role that resulted in him being investigated as town like a GF, but odds are low that Casey would have picked a TP and a scum GF to frustrate reads this much.
I actually do buy that WyIted might Silence himself, but this series of events doesn't make sense if he did. Pie was most likely to townread him based on whatever his role was, since he seemed to understand what WyIted meant when he softclaimed his role last DP. I don't know why he'd Silence himself and go through the trouble of killing the person who was most likely to townread him.
As for where that puts me with PoE, the pool is down to Austin and Vader with an outside chance of GP. Austin came off as pretty townie last DP, but it would hardly be the first time he's come off this well behaviorally. I can't explain the failed use of his role on me based on my role, and I'll claim if desired to explain why, though doing so will neuter it. Vader also came off as behaviorally townie in DP1 (it's actually the main reason I was townreading him, since I like that he was trying to solve the theme, like I said during that DP), but I don't like how he's characterizing me this DP. It's strange that he says that I was "relying on a theme split" when I only threw out a couple of ideas and focused on behavior for almost all of my reads. I suggested a couple of potential splits, but they never featured in my reads. That being said, I can understand sussing me for my lack of activity last DP. Fair to say I wasn't as active as I wanted to be last DP and that I have a history of being more passive as scum, and I can't expect anyone to trust that I've been busy. I'll try to step it up this DP.
As for why GP's on the list, I can't say I have had any reason to scumread either his behavior (sheeping Pie or any other player he sees as town is pretty normal play for him) or his Millionaire role claim, which would be an odd one for scum, but I'm always hesitant to give any roles that only activate on death a pass due to the lack of confirmation. I think he is more likely to be town than either Austin or Vader due to both a role claim I wouldn't expect from scum and behavior that feels genuine to him as town, but I can't dismiss him entirely.
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@AustinL0926
I jailed you last night.
VTL Banana
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Okay I saw Luna's post and wanted to confirm myself. After reading banana's claim though now I'm not sure.
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@Lunatic
@Greyparrot
@iamanabanana
will be told if they are the same affiliation or not
I think this makes banana's claim believable. The focus on "affiliations" vs if one is scum or something implies there's probably more than two in the game.
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@Savant
What is your character/ justification?